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CaptainHowdy said:
Everybody else knows what I'm talking about or if they didn't, they know how to google something like 'emma admits to bullying cruz' and find out.
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I googled it and the "admission of bullying" isn't really something that happened. She said that she and her peers ostracized Cruz in response to his behavior. Shunning a Nazi because of his hate speech is not bullying. Try again.
 
Amazer said:
You're making some strange leaps of 'logic' here.

I fail to see how her being a bully impacts in any way her credibility as an anti-fun anti-violence advocate.
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I'm going to assume you meant "anti-gun" when you wrote "anti-fun." It impacts her credibility because she helped provoke Cruz and she justifies the actions of everybody else who bullied him.

I also don't understand how you believe she isn't a victim of a school shooting here. She might have contributed and not helped the situation. She however wasn't the one who ultimately decided to pull the trigger.
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You are right that ultimately it was Cruz who made the decision and he is ultimately responsible. But people who commit suicide are also ultimately the only person responsible for their death. When a kid who has been a victim of bullying commits suicide we tend to look at her as a victim and the people who bullied her as somewhat responsible for her death. There have actually been kids charged with a crime when their bullying resulted in a suicide. Bullies need to own up to their behavior when their behavior results in an extreme reaction from the victims.

What we should never hear is the bully admitting to being a bully but justifying it by saying the kid who hung herself in her bedroom was a freak and deserved to be bullied. And then blaming the rope manufacturer for providing the means for her to kill herself. And then the whole country chanting "No more rope. No more rope" while acting like the bully is the victim.

Why blame the bully when the victim becomes so distraught that suicide seems like the only way out but not blame the bully when the victim becomes so distraught that he commits mass murder? Because, from a rational point of view, isn't killing your oppressors more logical than killing yourself?

Feel free to enlighten me though.
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Consider yourself enlightened.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
I'm going to assume you meant "anti-gun" when you wrote "anti-fun." It impacts her credibility because she helped provoke Cruz and she justifies the actions of everybody else who bullied him.
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It might, if it were true. It isn't, so it doesn't. The lies won't fly in this forum, but keep on trying.
 
While I think the bullying thing is a pretty pathetic attempt to discredit the protesters, the ones siding with them suddenly saying ostracising isn't bullying is incredibly humorous given half of them are the same people who think addressing someone by the wrong self chosen pronoun is bullying or to some of them assault
 
cullennz said:
While I think the bullying thing is a pretty pathetic attempt to discredit the protesters, the ones siding with them suddenly saying ostracising isn't bullying is incredibly humorous given half of them are the same people who think addressing someone by the wrong self chosen pronoun is bullying or to some of them assault
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Dare I ask..... Evidence?
 
CaptainHowdy said:
I'm going to assume you meant "anti-gun" when you wrote "anti-fun." It impacts her credibility because she helped provoke Cruz and she justifies the actions of everybody else who bullied him.


You are right that ultimately it was Cruz who made the decision and he is ultimately responsible. But people who commit suicide are also ultimately the only person responsible for their death. When a kid who has been a victim of bullying commits suicide we tend to look at her as a victim and the people who bullied her as somewhat responsible for her death. There have actually been kids charged with a crime when their bullying resulted in a suicide. Bullies need to own up to their behavior when their behavior results in an extreme reaction from the victims.

What we should never hear is the bully admitting to being a bully but justifying it by saying the kid who hung herself in her bedroom was a freak and deserved to be bullied. And then blaming the rope manufacturer for providing the means for her to kill herself. And then the whole country chanting "No more rope. No more rope" while acting like the bully is the victim.

Why blame the bully when the victim becomes so distraught that suicide seems like the only way out but not blame the bully when the victim becomes so distraught that he commits mass murder? Because, from a rational point of view, isn't killing your oppressors more logical than killing yourself?


Consider yourself enlightened.
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Any evidence he was bullied?
 
cullennz said:
Well she said they ostracised him.


"Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn't know this kid. OK, we did.*"


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...orida-student-emma-gonzalez-speech/index.html
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"Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn't know this kid"​

In my day there was no monolithic "they" that made such decisions for the entire school, and there was no compulsion for "us" to talk and interact with anyone outside the classroom, there was no compulsion for us to be mates with any other kid.

I ignored many kids at school for many reasons, one spouting the crap he did would be a kid I would have tried my best to not interact with, I was not bullying those I didn't want to interact with. I know there were kids at my school that didn't want to interact with me, they were not bullying me.
 
Darat said:
"Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn't know this kid"​

In my day there was no monolithic "they" that made such decisions for the entire school, and there was no compulsion for "us" to talk and interact with anyone outside the classroom, there was no compulsion for us to be mates with any other kid.

I ignored many kids at school for many reasons, one spouting the crap he did would be a kid I would have tried my best to not interact with, I was not bullying those I didn't want to interact with. I know there were kids at my school that didn't want to interact with me, they were not bullying me.
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She is a spokesperson for the students.

She wouldn't have said it if it wasn't the whole group.

As I said. It is a pathetic attempt to duscredit them any way, as I doubt it would have made a difference.

Just don't pretend it wasn't bullying when they call everything under the sun bullying.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Who is the ' they' that call everything under the sun bullying?
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It's a generalisation, but the majority of students tend to fall into the left side of things.

And at the moment US unis have the whole "micro aggression" and "trigger" thing going on.

If I am wrong I apologise, maybe it's just what is portrayed in the evil MSM
 
What have American universities got to do with that school shooting?
 
cullennz said:
She is a spokesperson for the students. She wouldn't have said it if it wasn't the whole group.
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I really don't think you can make that claim from what we know - we know for a fact that he had at least one friend at school so we do know he was not completely ostracized.


cullennz said:
As I said. It is a pathetic attempt to duscredit them any way, as I doubt it would have made a difference.

Just don't pretend it wasn't bullying when they call everything under the sun bullying.
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Were there never kids you ignored when you were at school, kids you didn't interact with, were you bullying them?

A kid may be ostracized as part of being bullied but we have no evidence (or at least known that I've seen) that he was bullied.

ETA: Even if " ...when they call everything under the sun bullying..." was true it is irrelevant to whether he was being bullied or not, I can call a cow a horse if I want but it won't change the beast.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
I googled it and the "admission of bullying" isn't really something that happened. She said that she and her peers ostracized Cruz in response to his behavior. Shunning a Nazi because of his hate speech is not bullying. Try again.
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Next you will be claiming that the Black Comunity was not bullying Dylann Roof by existing. Of course they were. If only the black comunity didn't exist that good alt right people like Roof and Cruz wouldn't have been forced to open fire on them.

QED.
 
Darat said:
I really don't think you can make that claim from what we know - we know for a fact that he had at least one friend at school so we do know he was not completely ostracized.




Were there never kids you ignored when you were at school, kids you didn't interact with, were you bullying them?

A kid may be ostracized as part of being bullied but we have no evidence (or at least known that I've seen) that he was bullied.

ETA: Even if " ...when they call everything under the sun bullying..." was true it is irrelevant to whether he was being bullied or not, I can call a cow a horse if I want but it won't change the beast.
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All good

You think ostracising a single student isn't bullying

At the end of the day it wouldn't have made a difference given his issues

It's a side argument any way, which is a tool to discredit them

Just thought I would say my view
 
cullennz said:
All good

You think ostracising a single student isn't bullying

At the end of the day it wouldn't have made a difference given his issues

It's a side argument any way, which is a tool to discredit them

Just thought I would say my view
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Exactly they had it coming just like First Baptist had it coming for not accepting Devin Patrick Kelley fully. And we can't give them a break on their bullying nature as christians.
 
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