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crescent said:
The idea is to use registration and licensing to start reducing the supply moving into criminal circles.

As it stands, the prevalence of guns in the black market is incredibly damning of the poor state of regulation in the U.S. The great overwhelming majority of black market guns started out in legal hands.

So called "responsible" gun owners have done a terrible job of keeping guns away from criminals through poor security (allowing them to be stolen far too often and easily) and by opposition to background checks and registration that would severely reduce fraudulent transactions and straw purchases.
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It's not gun owners responsibility to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I'm skeptical that such measures would keep criminals from getting guns. There are many prescription drugs that are tightly controlled, criminals still manage to get their hands on them. The issue is the fundamental corruption of the American system. If people with money want something, chances are they will be able to get it.
 
Tony said:
I don't understand the question. How does it not give them more power?
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Are you suggesting that an armed populace is somehow a counterbalance to an otherwise out-of-control policeforce? This sounds like some sort of dystopian nightmare.
 
MikeG said:
Are you suggesting that an armed populace is somehow a counterbalance to an otherwise out-of-control policeforce? This sounds like some sort of dystopian nightmare.
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A dystopian nightmare that humans have had to endure on occasion.
 
MikeG said:
Are you suggesting that an armed populace is somehow a counterbalance to an otherwise out-of-control policeforce? This sounds like some sort of dystopian nightmare.
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Except, paradoxically, the same people that are most pro-gun are usually the same that are police shooting apologists (for local and state police, FBI and ATF are jackbooted thugs, US Marshals, border patrol and homeland security are also OK).
 
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MikeG said:
Are you suggesting that an armed populace is somehow a counterbalance to an otherwise out-of-control policeforce? This sounds like some sort of dystopian nightmare.
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I got bad news for you dude. We are already living in a dystopian nightmare.
 
The guy is from Clearwater....already notorious for being the world headquarters of the Chruch of Scientology.
Wow, that place seems to be magnet for dangerous nutjobs....
 
Tony said:
It's not gun owners responsibility to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I'm skeptical that such measures would keep criminals from getting guns. There are many prescription drugs that are tightly controlled, criminals still manage to get their hands on them. The issue is the fundamental corruption of the American system. If people with money want something, chances are they will be able to get it.
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You want full legalization of drugs?

Guns seem the only issue in which conservatives feel that failure to obey the law means that the law should not exist.
 
Cheetah said:
Guns and their availability are obviously part of the problem but I don't think they can explain such high figures.
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They totally can.

When the world looks at the United States, it sees a land of exceptions: a time-tested if noisy democracy, a crusader in foreign policy, an exporter of beloved music and film.

But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.
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lobosrul5 said:
Except, paradoxically, the same people that are most pro-gun are usually the same that are police shooting apologists (for local and state police, FBI and ATF are jackbooted thugs, US Marshals, border patrol and homeland security are also OK).
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Absolutely. Both "sides" go full retard on this issue. The people who are the most anti-police brutality and quick to call the police racist are the same ones who trust the police with a near monopoly on gun access.
 
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dudalb said:
Too soon to make any judgements, but you have to wonder how many tips like this the FBI gets, probably too many to check on them all.
And the other problem is until Cruz actually did something illegal, there is not much the FBI, or the local police can do..
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We had a smaller school shooting in New Mexico 2 months ago. Same situation, police investigated, but they weren't allowed to take away his weapons (or prevent his purchase of any in that case).

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/us/aztec-high-school-shooting-william-atchison/index.html
 
crescent said:
You want full legalization of drugs?
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Yes

Guns seem the only issue in which conservatives feel that failure to obey the law means that the law should not exist.
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I agree. The issue of guns in general makes for a lot of hypocrisy on the conservative side.
 
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