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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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Childlike Empress said:
The Mueller investigation is dead.
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The Mueller investigation is heading toward a conclusion that won't actually surprise anyone, least of all Russian propagandists. If Trump manages to stop it, that will trigger an even more immediate result. People who think the Republican opportunists in Congress will stand by Trump when the going gets tough are dreaming.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The Mueller investigation is dead. It saved face with those process crimes and that money laundering thing all having nothing to do with the conspiracy they were supposed to expose. Instead they discovered that they were infiltrated by people instrumental in conspiring to hoax the supposed conspiracy in the first place. Reason? Meddle in the election. The picture is pretty complete now and you seem to totally miss it because you tell yourself that it just exists on websites with names like "conservativetreehouse". But you're wrong. Read this, it's a quite succinct summary of the latest developments (Strzok is the guy who was fired from the Mueller investigation, in your belief for "saying bad things about Trump"):

Fake News, Sedition and Public Apathy
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You have no proof that his feelings affected the investigation.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The Mueller investigation is dead. It saved face with those process crimes and that money laundering thing all having nothing to do with the conspiracy they were supposed to expose. Instead they discovered that they were infiltrated by people instrumental in conspiring to hoax the supposed conspiracy in the first place. Reason? Meddle in the election. The picture is pretty complete now and you seem to totally miss it because you tell yourself that it just exists on websites with names like "conservativetreehouse". But you're wrong. Read this, it's a quite succinct summary of the latest developments (Strzok is the guy who was fired from the Mueller investigation, in your belief for "saying bad things about Trump"):

Fake News, Sedition and Public Apathy
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Do you have any real sources to support your conclusion?
 
Childlike Empress said:
The Mueller investigation is dead. It saved face with those process crimes and that money laundering thing all having nothing to do with the conspiracy they were supposed to expose. Instead they discovered that they were infiltrated by people instrumental in conspiring to hoax the supposed conspiracy in the first place. Reason? Meddle in the election. The picture is pretty complete now and you seem to totally miss it because you tell yourself that it just exists on websites with names like "conservativetreehouse". But you're wrong. Read this, it's a quite succinct summary of the latest developments (Strzok is the guy who was fired from the Mueller investigation, in your belief for "saying bad things about Trump"):

Fake News, Sedition and Public Apathy
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The article is you linked is nothing but ridiculous CT level musings.

Here is a nice fact-free paragraph as an example:

Strzok, unlike Gump, was not a passive observer. He was an active participant with the authority and the power to set the course of investigations into both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. In the case of Strzok we now know that Lady Justice in Strzok world is not blind. That's why we get the bizarre decision to grant Clinton aides, Abedin and Mills, immunity in testimony without pre-condition. That's why Hillary gets the kid glove treatment from Strzok and his team despite clear evidence that she had mishandled Top Secret material, including Special Access Program (aka SAP) intelligence. And that is why Strzok played a key role in pushing the sordid, politically suspect Trump dossier as sound intel to justify domestic spying on Donald Trump and his team. All done in the name of saving America.

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I can't help but continue to laugh at the "logic" of the argument that since the media has not published Muellers evidence, he therefor has none.

Sure, stick a fork in Mueller, he's done. :rolleyes:
 
Childlike Empress said:
Maybe I should claim that you'll find nothing about these things in the NYT or the WaPo and let TheL8Elvis do the job? :D
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I read the Washington Post every day and there is nothing in there about the Muller investigation being dead. I used to read the NY Times as well, but I no longer do so.

In any case, if you want people to take your postings seriously, then do yourself a favor and provide decent sources to support your postings.
 
Crossbow said:
Since everyone is human, then everyone has some amount of bias about everything.

Accordingly, the question is not if certain investigators have anti-Trump bias, because there are some who do, In fact, due to the recent anti-FBI comments that have been made by that stupid, idiotic, greedy, liar Trump, I am sure that there are more than a few FBI agents who hate Trump. But what 'logger' has consistently failed to understand is that just because some investigators may have anti-Trump feelings, that does not automatically mean that these investigators will produce an anti-Trump investigation.

Therefore, unless 'logger', or someone else, can show that the personal feelings of the investigators are producing a flawed investigation, then I will continue to have faith in that investigation.
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There's also some partisan cherry picking in the texts they've chosen to highlight.

The FBI agent removed from the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential election lambasted then-presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Attorney General Eric Holder in texts to an FBI lawyer, as well as his previously reported negative remarks about President Trump.

Found in the 375 text messages given to Congress by the Justice Department, senior counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok reportedly called supporters of Sanders "idiots," as reported Thursday by Wall Street Journal.

Strzok and attorney Lisa Page also panned Holder, who would have once been their boss at the Justice Department.

During Holder's speech at the Democratic National Convention, Strzok texted, “Oh God, Holder! Turn it off turn if off!!!"
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Delphic Oracle said:
Plus the pinning of the dossier's existence on Hillary. Republican primary candidates funded the creation, Hillary paid for a product that was already on the market.
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You posted this before, and I asked you about it in post 3130 but you never responded.

It has been widely reported that it was the Washington Free Beacon (not GOP primary candidates) funded Fusion GPS up until the spring in 2016. Christopher Steele was not brought in until June, 2016, two months after Perkins Coie retained them to continue the research.

How could the dossier be "already on the market"? What am I missing?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
FWIW, Seth Abramson has published one of what he says will be two twitter threads concisely detailing what is publicly known about Trump-Russia ties: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/941120497823215616
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#16: Trump advisors Bannon, Prince, Flynn, Don Jr., Giuliani and Pirro are involved—to varying degrees—in leaking, sourcing, disseminating, and legitimizing a false "True Pundit" story that seeks to use fraud to blackmail the FBI into indicting Clinton. Russian bots pump it also.
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Can anyone explain that one further? Blackmail the FBI? Who at the FBI? The whole agency?
 
No one seems to be considering that Strzok might just hate Trump partially because of the evidence he was seeing about Trump in the investigation.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Can anyone explain that one further? Blackmail the FBI? Who at the FBI? The whole agency?
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"Thomas Paine," the founder of True Pundit claimed that the NYPD had found evidence of all sorts of crime in the emails on Weiner's computer, and declared that if Comey wasn't fired, he was going to publish all the details right before the election. Giuliani, Bannon, et al, pushed this story, as did Russian bots. This put pressure on Comey to make the public acknowledgement that the emails were being examined; otherwise, even if the claim that NYPD found criminal evidence turned out to be BS -- which it was -- Comey would look like he was protecting Clinton.
 
WilliamSeger said:
"Thomas Paine," the founder of True Pundit claimed that the NYPD had found evidence of all sorts of crime in the emails on Weiner's computer, and declared that if Comey wasn't fired, he was going to publish all the details right before the election. Giuliani, Bannon, et al, pushed this story, as did Russian bots. This put pressure on Comey to make the public acknowledgement that the emails were being examined; otherwise, even if the claim that NYPD found criminal evidence turned out to be BS -- which it was -- Comey would look like he was protecting Clinton.
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I heard that NYC office FBI agents (not the NYPD) would leak the email story because some of them were anti Clinton.

What is the Occam's razor explanation for all these anti Trump and anti Clinton FBI stories? I think it is simply these were the most disliked presidential candidates and a bunch of people in this country really really disliked one or the other.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I heard that NYC office FBI agents (not the NYPD) would leak the email story because some of them were anti Clinton.
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Yes, there is the rumor that NY FBI agents were threatening to leak about the email investigation, but the True Pundit claimed that the NYPD (which initially confiscated Weiner's computer) had found evidence of crimes that the FBI was trying to cover up and they were going to "blow the whistle" on the FBI.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I heard that NYC office FBI agents (not the NYPD) would leak the email story because some of them were anti Clinton
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Giuliani bragged about the leaks he received from the FBI.

Giuliani has bragged about his close ties to the FBI for months, mentioning in interviews that “outraged FBI agents” have told him they’re frustrated by how the Clinton investigation was handled. And two days before FBI Director James Comey announced that the agency was reviewing the newly uncovered emails, Giuliani teased that Trump’s campaign had “a couple of surprises left.”

“You’ll see, and I think it will be enormously effective,” he said in an interview with Fox News.
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