nurse cuffed by cop for not breaking law

[crescent]

It may. The district attorney has already called for a criminal investigation,

It's been awhile since I followed Utah news, but if I remember correctly, that particular DA has a pretty good history of prosecuting bad behavior by police and politicians. This is probably much more than just a token investigation to satisfy public outcry. With this DA, that detective and his superior have real cause to worry about being prosecuted.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's been awhile since I followed Utah news, but if I remember correctly, that particular DA has a pretty good history of prosecuting bad behavior by police and politicians. This is probably much more than just a token investigation to satisfy public outcry. With this DA, that detective and his superior have real cause to worry about being prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see the difference between the BS claim the cop felt fear and this one where while the cop said the nurse was interfering with his investigation, he was acting without probable cause or a warrant.

 

[JayUtah]

It's been awhile since I followed Utah news, but if I remember correctly, that particular DA has a pretty good history of prosecuting bad behavior by police and politicians. This is probably much more than just a token investigation to satisfy public outcry. With this DA, that detective and his superior have real cause to worry about being prosecuted.

Oh, yes. He brought up the former state attorneys-general on corruption charges, but lost at trial. Still, you don't want to be a corrupt official in Salt Lake County.

Among the many things that make me sad about this is that this incident happened a month ago. Only now that it has gone public has there been a scramble of action from the appropriate authorities. SLCPD wasn't going to do anything about it. They were just going to move the detective to other duties and carry on as if nothing had happened. We're entering an era where you don't get justice unless your video goes viral on social media.

 

[Beady]

Gotta disagree. Cops should be (better) cops and do cop things. Medical personnel should do medical things.

Sounds like you're saying cops should not carry defibrillators or Narcan, or administer CPR, or be able to deliver babies, or be trained in or perform any other medical procedures. For that matter, it sounds like you're saying cops should not do things like animal control or search and rescue, or carry stuffed toys in their cars for traumatized children. Cops should stick entirely to law enforcement and leave all of these other activities to the proper departments.

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[Darat]

No it doesn't.

 

[Modified]

We're entering an era where you don't get justice unless your video goes viral on social media.

Which is an improvement over the previous era, where you don't get justice.

 

[Travis]

Yep, as someone else noted, having video cameras everywhere on phones hasn't turned up bigfoot or ET but it sure has shown us just how pervasive police misconduct is.

 

[Beady]

No it doesn't.

I disagree.

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[Trebuchet]

Sounds like you're saying cops should not carry defibrillators or Narcan, or administer CPR, or be able to deliver babies, or be trained in or perform any other medical procedures. For that matter, it sounds like you're saying cops should not do things like animal control or search and rescue, or carry stuffed toys in their cars for traumatized children. Cops should stick entirely to law enforcement and leave all of these other activities to the proper departments.

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No it doesn't.

Sure doesn't. All those things you list are emergency services, not invasive medical procedures for collecting evidence.

 

[Ranb]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/01/health/utah-nurse-arrest-police-video/index.html

The officer's account
In a police report, Payne said when he arrived to the hospital, Wubbels said he needed to get permission from the hospital administrators.
After more than an hour waiting, Payne said, he called his supervisor who advised him to arrest Wubbels if she refused to let him draw a blood sample.

This is not simply a problem with one rouge cop who knows less about the law than the person he is arresting. It seems to be a department problem if a supervisor got involved and told his officer to arrest Wubbels if she did not comply.

I think it is easier to fix a problem with a single police officer, harder to fix a department.

Ranb

 

[Beady]

Sure doesn't. All those things you list are emergency services, not invasive medical procedures for collecting evidence.

Maybe you should be a little more explicit, then, rather than leaving it up to the reader to decide what you mean by "cop things." Even then, these "things" vary from department to department.

BTW, blood drawing is a no-brainer that can be performed by a paraplegic urangotan, and can be taught in five minutes.

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[BobTheCoward]

Sounds like you're saying cops should not carry defibrillators or Narcan, or administer CPR, or be able to deliver babies, or be trained in or perform any other medical procedures. For that matter, it sounds like you're saying cops should not do things like animal control or search and rescue, or carry stuffed toys in their cars for traumatized children. Cops should stick entirely to law enforcement and leave all of these other activities to the proper departments.

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Police should not do those things. They cannot be trusted with responsibility beyond a very narrow scope. They are the necessary evil that should be as seen as little as necessary and shunned like tanners in the middle ages.

 

[Babbylonian]

BTW, blood drawing is a no-brainer that can be performed by a paraplegic urangotan, and can be taught in five minutes.

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Venous blood drawing, anyway.
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[Ranb]

Police should not do those things. They cannot be trusted with responsibility beyond a very narrow scope. They are the necessary evil that should be as seen as little as necessary and shunned like tanners in the middle ages.

You're indulging in irony yes?

 

[BobTheCoward]

You're indulging in irony yes?

No.

 

[Ranb]

As far as I know most police departments are not in the habit of hiring bullies who want a license to kill. Many police officers (about half I think) have higher education that includes a 4-year degree. They are for the most part vetted to ensure they are fit to use force when required.

These people are a group that is very readily available for roles beyond mere law enforcement. They are civil servants with the resources to help others in time of need. While covering bad cops makes for better headlines and sells more ad space, the good the police do far outweighs the bad.

My daughter is a police officer with a degree; this makes me biased, but I'm not blinded by prejudice either.

 

[BobTheCoward]

As far as I know most police departments are not in the habit of hiring bullies who want a license to kill. Many police officers (about half I think) have higher education that includes a 4-year degree. They are for the most part vetted to ensure they are fit to use force when required.

These people are a group that is very readily available for roles beyond mere law enforcement. They are civil servants with the resources to help others in time of need. While covering bad cops makes for better headlines and sells more ad space, the good the police do far outweighs the bad.

My daughter is a police officer with a degree; this makes me biased, but I'm not blinded by prejudice either.

Law enforcement is a necessary evil. They should be given as small as role as possible and not have it expanded such that their power is inflated.

 

[Ziggurat]

Police should not do those things. They cannot be trusted with responsibility beyond a very narrow scope. They are the necessary evil that should be as seen as little as necessary and shunned like tanners in the middle ages.

That's stupid. There is nothing wrong with anybody, or even everybody, knowing how to do these things, and even doing them should circumstances require.

 

[Ziggurat]

Law enforcement is a necessary evil. They should be given as small as role as possible and not have it expanded such that their power is inflated.

Again, this is stupid. No expansion of power is required for those cases. Anyone can render emergency aid, no power is required. Preventing cops from doing so doesn't limit their power, it only limits their usefulness.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Again, this is stupid. No expansion of power is required for those cases. Anyone can render emergency aid, no power is required. Preventing cops from doing so doesn't limit their power, it only limits their usefulness.

It does limit their power. Doing those things improved their public standing and leads to such notions that police are positive. This grants them more ability to convince. Law enforcement should be viewed as lepers.