Paul Bethke vs the 613 Mitzvot

[Paul Bethke]

Among Christians, not understanding that the Biblical Sabbath is Saturday and Christians rescheduled the Sabbath to Sunday is something I'd expect from a third grader. It's mistakes like this that cause us to refer to Paul Bethke having a second to third grade understanding of scripture.

There came a separation in the time due to the rejection of Christ as the Jewish Messiah, So the Church regulated Sunday to be a Sabbath, not replacing the Jewish sabbath.

But what is the Sabbath other than to acknowledge Yahweh as the only Creator and that he Yahweh created the universe in six days. It is a day set aside to worship the creator and to abstain from work, giving all a rest---just as the Sabbath decrees.

So, to treat Sunday as a Sabbath is not wrong if it is done with the same purpose as the Jewish Sabbath is observed.

BUT today Sunday is no longer observed as it was in the past Apartheid days—it is 24/7.
So, Apartheid was more holy than this present government in South Africa, and this will prove to be detrimental to them.

So to understand the purpose is a first grade knowledge of the Scriptures that promotes a person to be holy.

 

[abaddon]

But you do not understand, that sex constitutes marriage, and if the couple part and have sex with another that is adultery.
Marriage as the Creator decreed is that one man to have one wife and one woman to have one husband, anything else is adultery.
So now you know what is adultery, look around you and you will SEE how many people are committing adultery!

You are not obsessed with sex followed by a rant about sex?

I am not obsessed with sex, but rather concerned how many people are living in adultery and how many children are sexually exploited. I am concerned that the Church has lost its mandate to warn people of the dangers of violating the command—do not commit adultery.
The world is over populated because of adultery and sexual immorality.
The world is full of single mothers—this is a contagion.

Again you hurl insults. You would be in peril were you to call my neighbours daughter a "contagion" to her face. That is one fiesty woman.

People are always speaking of their exes.

What of it?

Adultery caused Israel to be rejected and sent back into captivity in the land of the Babylonians.

Never happened.

Jerimiah_5:7 "Why should I forgive you? Your children have forsaken me and sworn by gods that are not gods. I supplied all their needs, yet they committed adultery and thronged to the houses of prostitutes.

Proverbs_6:32 But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself.

This can be seen in the life of King David who took another man’s wife and had her husband murdered.
Exodus 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbour’s house. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

Then David’s son raped his half sister.

David? Gods beloved? His anointed one? Surely not an adulterer. Probably a virgin too by your definitions.

 

[Border Reiver]

But you do not understand, that sex constitutes marriage, and if the couple part and have sex with another that is adultery.

We understand - this is what you believe. The rest of the world does not.

Your personal interpretation of a translated text written for a different culture about their deity's plagiarized ruleset is your own.

Marriage as the Creator decreed is that one man to have one wife and one woman to have one husband, anything else is adultery.
So now you know what is adultery, look around you and you will SEE how many people are committing adultery!

Abraham, Issac, David, Solomon (oh man was he committing adultery by this standard), Mary, the list goes on.

So many of the honoured patriarchs of the faith and the MOTHER OF JESUS are adulterers by this standard. And yet, the Scriptures still depict Yahweh as honouring them - why is that? If Yahweh really hates this adultery thing, and your interpretation of what constitutes adultery is correct, then it would follow that Yahweh, a deity not know for being shy with the smiting of unrighteous people, would punish them rather than honour them. And yet ALL of them are honoured. By your definition, Yahweh is himself an adulterer - knocking up Mary after she was betrothed to Joseph.

I am not obsessed with sex,

Then why do you turn almost every single post into a diatribe about sex and adultery? You are obsessed, you try to disguise it by saying that it is really making us aware of the dangers of adultery, but it is fairly evident to any one with eyes, a reasonable understanding of human nature and a grasp of the English language that you are utterly fascinated/horrified by sex and sexuality. You are very much like a preacher constantly railing against sin in the pulpit, but secretly hiding their own faults and lusts behind a self righteous façade.

This can be seen in the life of King David who took another man’s wife and had her husband murdered.
Exodus 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbour’s house. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

Then David’s son raped his half sister.

About 20 or more years after the event you describe, ignoring the fact that Yahweh apparently honoured David by:

a. Allowing him to defeat his enemies;
b. Having a large family (several other wives and concubines, lots of children);
c. Becoming wealthy; and
d. David being declared a "righteous king" and allegedly the bloodline from which the messiah must come.

 

[halleyscomet]

There came a separation in the time due to the rejection of Christ as the Jewish Messiah, So the Church regulated Sunday to be a Sabbath, not replacing the Jewish sabbath.

But what is the Sabbath other than to acknowledge Yahweh as the only Creator and that he Yahweh created the universe in six days. It is a day set aside to worship the creator and to abstain from work, giving all a rest---just as the Sabbath decrees.

So, to treat Sunday as a Sabbath is not wrong if it is done with the same purpose as the Jewish Sabbath is observed.

BUT today Sunday is no longer observed as it was in the past Apartheid days—it is 24/7.
So, Apartheid was more holy than this present government in South Africa, and this will prove to be detrimental to them.

So to understand the purpose is a first grade knowledge of the Scriptures that promotes a person to be holy.

On that note, let's look at:

Ex. 23:12 — To rest on the seventh day

Ex. 20:11 — Not to do prohibited labor on the seventh day — Yemenite->Ex. 20:10

That second one brings us naturally to The 39 Melachot, the categories of labor that are prohibited on the Sabbath.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/102032/jewish/The-39-Melachot.htm

Field Work

• Sowing
• Plowing
• Reaping
• Binding Sheaves
• Threshing
• Winnowing
• Selecting
• Grinding
• Sifting
• Kneading
• Baking

Making Material Curtains

• Shearing Wool
• Cleaning
• Combing
• Dyeing
• Spinning
• Stretching the Threads
• Making Loops
• Weaving Threads
• Separating the Threads
• Tying a Knot
• Untying a Knot
• Sewing
• Tearing

Making Leather Curtains

• Trapping
• Slaughtering
• Skinning
• Tanning
• Smoothing
• Ruling Lines
• Cutting

Making the Beams of the Mishkan

• Writing
• Erasing

The Putting up and Taking down of the Mishkan

• Building
• Breaking Down

The Mishkan's Final Touches

• Extinguishing a Fire
• Kindling a Fire
• Striking the Final Hammer Blow
• Carrying

Do you engage in any of these prohibited practices on the Sabbath, or cause others to engage in them, regardless of which day you choose to observe it?

Please keep in mind that the Sabbath, according to the Bible, about far more than just acknowledging a creator. It is supposed to be a day of rest.

 

[halleyscomet]

Your claims to be a prophet despite having failed in your prophecies/predictions, combined with your claim to be more powerful than God constitutes unambiguous blasphemy by just about any definition of the term:

Ex. 22:27 — Not to blaspheme

On the bright side, I suppose you're far from alone on this forum when it comes to qualifying as a blasphemer.

So, Apartheid was more holy than this present government in South Africa, and this will prove to be detrimental to them.

Your love for Apartheid tells us quite unambiguously that you most certainly do NOT follow this Mitzvot:

Ex. 22:21 — Not to oppress the weak

Now, here is where I request my fellow posters vote. Does Paul Bethke's yearning for the return of apartheid and the slaughter of black South Africans constitute a violation fo the following Mitzvot?

Ex. 22:27 — Not to curse judges

Ex. 22:27 — Not to curse the head of state or leader of the Sanhedrin

 

[Paul Bethke]

We understand - this is what you believe. The rest of the world does not Your personal interpretation of a translated text written for a different culture about their deity's plagiarized ruleset is your own..

Does that not prove that the rest of the adulterous world does not agree with what is a sanctified marriage—one approved by the Creator from the beginning.
It is not my interpretation, but that which is given by the Creator to inform all creation the purpose of creation is, that one man has one wife and one woman has one husband for life.

This is what Jesus decreed, endorsing what the Creator intended from the beginning. Mat 19:4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'
Mat 19:5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
Mat 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Jesus also defines adultery---Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

SO, how can you say it is my interpretation??

Abraham, Issac, David, Solomon (oh man was he committing adultery by this standard), Mary, the list goes on.

Not Mary—but the others as you say are prime examples of those committing adultery—but the Yahweh had to deal with those who were imperfect in the faith.

So many of the honoured patriarchs of the faith and the MOTHER OF JESUS are adulterers by this standard. And yet, the Scriptures still depict Yahweh as honouring them - why is that? If Yahweh really hates this adultery thing, and your interpretation of what constitutes adultery is correct, then it would follow that Yahweh, a deity not know for being shy with the smiting of unrighteous people, would punish them rather than honour them. And yet ALL of them are honoured. By your definition, Yahweh is himself an adulterer - knocking up Mary after she was betrothed to Joseph.

Not Mary. They were honoured as those who contributed to a section of success as far as the purpose of the Creator decreed. Noah and Moses were those who remained faithful to the sanctified marriage covenant, there were many others.

Then why do you turn almost every single post into a diatribe about sex and adultery? You are obsessed, you try to disguise it by saying that it is really making us aware of the dangers of adultery, but it is fairly evident to any one with eyes, a reasonable understanding of human nature and a grasp of the English language that you are utterly fascinated/horrified by sex and sexuality. You are very much like a preacher constantly railing against sin in the pulpit, but secretly hiding their own faults and lusts behind a self righteous façade.About 20 or more years after the event you describe, ignoring the fact that Yahweh apparently honoured David by:
a. Allowing him to defeat his enemies;
b. Having a large family (several other wives and concubines, lots of children);
c. Becoming wealthy; and
d. David being declared a "righteous king" and allegedly the bloodline from which the messiah must come.

The reason is that the commands of the Creator are primarily designed for the sanctified family, outside of this purpose, life on earth is meaningless, that is why Yahweh destroyed the people in the flood, they had become totally corrupt.

David did play a role in many things, but failed to achieve what God wanted, many people played a significant role but fell short—Jesus built on the successes of these people and added to what they failed to achieve, sanctified marriage being one of them.

Now today the many thousands of denominations under the banner of Christianity are at odds to what Jesus decreed.
So, all the commands are important, when based on the Ten Commands, marriage being the cardinal rule, ensuring a sanctified family unit.

Look around you and you will SEE the amount of people who are living in adultery, and the number of single mothers, and children that are devastated by divorce, who grow up in a detracted family life. Adultery is the catalyst to most all crime and corruption.
The purpose of the Gospel is to inform the world of why the Creator will visit his wrath on people who commit adultery, as it is written.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

SO, you can plainly SEE that it is not my interpretation, but the injunction of a holy Creator.

You SEE, every time you say that I am obsessed with sex, then I must explain why I am not.

I am not like those you mention, you are obsessed with lying.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Your claims to be a prophet despite having failed in your prophecies/predictions, combined with your claim to be more powerful than God constitutes unambiguous blasphemy by just about any definition of the term:
On the bright side, I suppose you're far from alone on this forum when it comes to qualifying as a blasphemer.
Your love for Apartheid tells us quite unambiguously that you most certainly do NOT follow this Mitzvot:
Now, here is where I request my fellow posters vote. Does Paul Bethke's yearning for the return of apartheid and the slaughter of black South Africans constitute a violation fo the following Mitzvot?

You really do not know what you are talking about, you understand nothing about truth, always surmising.

You SEE, or maybe you cannot SEE—I never did say that I am more powerful than the Creator, that shows how you twist the truth.

Yes, Apartheid was and is more holy and aligned with the will of Yahweh. In the days of Apartheid more black killed each other than the law enforcement agencies.

You SEE or maybe you cannot SEE, in Apartheid the blacks were better treated than they are now in the present regime.

The amount of corruption is beyond reason, all perpetuated by corrupt ANC people.

You speak rubbish with regards to me wanting to slaughter blacks, blacks are slaughtering themselves, so it is a purpose to stop the slaughter of all people.

 

[halleyscomet]

You speak rubbish with regards to me wanting to slaughter blacks, blacks are slaughtering themselves, so it is a purpose to stop the slaughter of all people.

Anyone interested in reading up on Paul Bethke's genocidal yearnings can look up "ancestor worship" in the "Signs of the End Times - Part Two" and "Signs of the End Times - Part the Third" threads. Paul Bethke was defending Biblical genocides by arguing that the children of some people are too corrupted by their parents to be redeemed. He then extended this accusation to Black South Africans, claiming that the prevalence of ancestor worship rendered the children irredeemable. He further went on to talk about his beliefs regarding the prevalence of said ancestor worship.

While Paul Bethke did not explicitly state he wanted to see all Black South Africans put to the sword, he walked us through the "logic" of connecting his justifications of Biblical genocides to modern Black South Africans. To the best of my knowledge, he has never recanted any portion of the disturbing and sickening chain of logic.

At this point, Paul Bethke is hiding behind another shoddy veneer of legalistic contortions, not unlike his claim that he's not a "false prophet" because he allegedly made "predictions" and not "prophesies" despite the fact that no such distinction exists on the Old Testament.

 

[Paul Bethke]

On that note, let's look at:
That second one brings us naturally to The 39 Melachot, the categories of labor that are prohibited on the Sabbath.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/102032/jewish/The-39-Melachot.htm
Do you engage in any of these prohibited practices on the Sabbath, or cause others to engage in them, regardless of which day you choose to observe it?
Please keep in mind that the Sabbath, according to the Bible, about far more than just acknowledging a creator. It is supposed to be a day of rest.

You are totally wrong and in what you state—the Sabbath is all about worshiping the Creator, because the laws that were given required a person to rest and allow those under his authority to rest.

The buying and selling of merchandise is prohibited on this day indicating obedience.

The violation of the Sabbath resulted in the discipline of Israel—so in the Apartheid era Sunday served the same purpose.

Today democracy as it is called works 24/7.
So, there will be those who do essential work to save life will carry out their duties.

You SEE or maybe you do not SEE that the keeping of the Sabbath is an integral part of the faith.
So, the nations that do not keep a Day to honour the Creator will be destroyed.

I personally do not buy or sell on a Sunday. And if I were living in Israel which I am not, then I will keep the Sabbath as they do.

So, the present regime will be removed because they have removed the Sabbath as a Day to honour the Creator, and the many other laws they have introduced and those they have abolished.

BUT again keeping the Sabbath and all the other commands are of little benefit if a person is not in a sanctified marriage covenant.

 

[halleyscomet]

You are totally wrong and in what you state—the Sabbath is all about worshiping the Creator, because the laws that were given required a person to rest and allow those under his authority to rest.

The buying and selling of merchandise is prohibited on this day indicating obedience.

The violation of the Sabbath resulted in the discipline of Israel—so in the Apartheid era Sunday served the same purpose.

Today democracy as it is called works 24/7.
So, there will be those who do essential work to save life will carry out their duties.

You SEE or maybe you do not SEE that the keeping of the Sabbath is an integral part of the faith.
So, the nations that do not keep a Day to honour the Creator will be destroyed.

I personally do not buy or sell on a Sunday. And if I were living in Israel which I am not, then I will keep the Sabbath as they do.

So, the present regime will be removed because they have removed the Sabbath as a Day to honour the Creator, and the many other laws they have introduced and those they have abolished.

BUT again keeping the Sabbath and all the other commands are of little benefit if a person is not in a sanctified marriage covenant.

So no, you don't keep the Sabbath. You're still clinging to your nonsensical time-zone balderdash to prop up your cherry picking cafeteria approach to the Mitzvot. To top it off you managed to ram and jam your crippling sex obsession into a discussion about the Sabbath.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Anyone interested in reading up on Paul Bethke's genocidal yearnings can look up "ancestor worship" in the "Signs of the End Times - Part Two" and "Signs of the End Times - Part the Third" threads. Paul Bethke was defending Biblical genocides by arguing that the children of some people are too corrupted by their parents to be redeemed. He then extended this accusation to Black South Africans, claiming that the prevalence of ancestor worship rendered the children irredeemable. He further went on to talk about his beliefs regarding the prevalence of said ancestor worship.

While Paul Bethke did not explicitly state he wanted to see all Black South Africans put to the sword, he walked us through the "logic" of connecting his justifications of Biblical genocides to modern Black South Africans. To the best of my knowledge, he has never recanted any portion of the disturbing and sickening chain of logic.

At this point, Paul Bethke is hiding behind another shoddy veneer of legalistic contortions, not unlike his claim that he's not a "false prophet" because he allegedly made "predictions" and not "prophesies" despite the fact that no such distinction exists on the Old Testament.

Well put, but not entirely true, people who try to communicate with the dead are detestable to the Creator and as such will be removed (IF) they do not repent, because the means that these people use are criminal, involving murder for body parts.

So, like all other people, (IF) they do not repent then they too will face the wrath of the Creator.

Now people cannot repent if they do not know what to repent of, so here the Torah is a means to inform people what is required for repentance.

So as Paul the Apostle states, the Torah is there to inform people of SIN>Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the Torah sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Torah. For I would not have known about coveting if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.”

So if you do not repent, then you too will perish, so while you have breath, you best make every effort to repent, otherwise as Jesus states you will perish.> Luke 13:3 No, I tell you! But unless you repent, you all will perish the same way.

So I have been mandated to inform people what is SIN as described in the Torah, in order for people to repent and escape the wrath of Yahweh.

 

[Paul Bethke]

So no, you don't keep the Sabbath. You're still clinging to your nonsensical time-zone balderdash to prop up your cherry picking cafeteria approach to the Mitzvot. To top it off you managed to ram and jam your crippling sex obsession into a discussion about the Sabbath.

You seem to have a problem understanding what I say, and as such you go off on a tangent about some ludicrous nonsense you concoct.

Well that is certainly true—keep all the commands and commit adultery, then that renders one worthless.

Now about time zones with reference to the Sabbath and not working—for instance a plane can take off outside the Sabbath day, but what if its destination requires it to land on the Sabbath in another land.

So, keeping the Sabbath in all the world will be a big problem.
So, international travel will be a violation of the Sabbath requirement, I was using this as a hypothetical example.

Yes, sex is a crippling sin when outside of a sanctified marriage.

 

[halleyscomet]

Well put, but not entirely true, people who try to communicate with the dead are detestable to the Creator and as such will be removed (IF) they do not repent, because the means that these people use are criminal, involving murder for body parts.

First, I mentioned ancestor worship. Attempting to communicate with the dead is a different topic.

Second, you are lying about people again. There are a great many ways people try to communicate with the dead that do not involve murdering people for body parts. Equating ancestor worship with murder is bearing false witness against your neighbors.

So I have been mandated to inform people what is SIN as described in the Torah, in order for people to repent and escape the wrath of Yahweh.

Then why are you here, casting your seed where it is tramples trampled and will never grow?

Oh, that's right, because you, by your own admission, ran out of local churches when you tried to proselytize there.

 

[halleyscomet]

Now about time zones with reference to the Sabbath and not working—for instance a plane can take off outside the Sabbath day, but what if its destination requires it to land on the Sabbath in another land.

So you don't observe the Sabbath because you might get on an aircraft.

Riiiiight.

 

[Jodie]

Paul, during the time all of these ancient stories evolved before being committed to text and incorporated into scripture for the Torah and Bible we lived in a world that had multiple species of humans.

There was modern human, Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, Denisovans, and other genetic strains and lines that we don't have fossil evidence for that have been isolated in DNA. The Ashkenazi Jewish population have one of the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA than any of the other populations that live now..

These laws that are in the Torah represent a species, or species, that are on the brink of extinction that are trying to preserve a culture and genetic line. That's all it really boils down to, that's what it means when it states that Noah was pure in his generation. It's talking about a lack of corruption in the genetic line of a species.

Of course each human species thinks they are the chosen one and that the others are a corrupted version of the creator's intent. It's simply a matter of perspective. However, let me point out that the African population has the oldest genetic lines on the planet going as far back as 300,000 years based on a recent fossil find in Morocco. Whatever spiritual advantage it is that you think you have over these people in South Africa is probably based on your own egotistical interpretation of scripture and is not based on a personal God's will.

 

[Zivan]

The reason is that the commands of the Creator are primarily designed for the sanctified family, outside of this purpose, life on earth is meaningless, that is why Yahweh destroyed the people in the flood, they had become totally corrupt.

Now people cannot repent if they do not know what to repent of, so here the Torah is a means to inform people what is required for repentance.
<snip> disgusting, ignorant, creepy, skin-crawly rambling<snip>

So I have been mandated to inform people what is SIN as described in the Torah, in order for people to repent and escape the wrath of Yahweh.

The torah, the "commands of the Creator", had NOT been given yet at the time of the "flood".

So how could any people back in those days know what sin even was? If the torah was given to "show people what sin is", then the people at the time of the "flood" had not been "shown", but they did not "escape the wrath of Yahweh".

That is disgusting and beyond cruel.

 

[Border Reiver]

We understand - this is what you believe. The rest of the world does not.

Does that not prove that the rest of the adulterous world does not agree with what is a sanctified marriage—one approved by the Creator from the beginning.

It is your interpretation of what constitutes a "sanctified marriage." You have demonstrated no special ability with respect to the interpretation of scripture, and absolutely no reason why we should accept the ruleset of a Bronze Age Middle Eastern religion, over any other ruleset and so I feel that your interpretation can be safely ignored.

Your personal interpretation of a translated text written for a different culture about their deity's plagiarized ruleset is your own.

It is not my interpretation, but that which is given by the Creator to inform all creation the purpose of creation is, that one man has one wife and one woman has one husband for life.

No one else uses it. You espouse it. That would make it YOUR interpretation.

If you can't own up to your own thoughts and ideas that should tell you something about your own character.

Abraham, Issac, David, Solomon (oh man was he committing adultery by this standard), Mary, the list goes on.

Not Mary—but the others as you say are prime examples of those committing adultery—but the Yahweh had to deal with those who were imperfect in the faith.

Why not Mary? She was betrothed to Joseph when she was impregnated by Yahweh. Essentially, every time Joseph and Mary had sex they were committing adultery (if you believe that Mary was a virgin when impregnated by Yahweh), or that Mary and Yahweh were committing adultery when she was impregnated (if you understand what betrothed meant in the context of 1st Century BCE Judea). Either way, Mary was an adultress - and you can make the case for who was the adulterer - Joseph or Yahweh.

So many of the honoured patriarchs of the faith and the MOTHER OF JESUS are adulterers by this standard. And yet, the Scriptures still depict Yahweh as honouring them - why is that? If Yahweh really hates this adultery thing, and your interpretation of what constitutes adultery is correct, then it would follow that Yahweh, a deity not know for being shy with the smiting of unrighteous people, would punish them rather than honour them. And yet ALL of them are honoured. By your definition, Yahweh is himself an adulterer - knocking up Mary after she was betrothed to Joseph.

Not Mary. They were honoured as those who contributed to a section of success as far as the purpose of the Creator decreed. Noah and Moses were those who remained faithful to the sanctified marriage covenant, there were many others.

Odd then that Abraham, Isaac, David, Solomon, etc are NOT called out for their failings with respect to sanctified marriage in the texts.

Then why do you turn almost every single post into a diatribe about sex and adultery? You are obsessed, you try to disguise it by saying that it is really making us aware of the dangers of adultery, but it is fairly evident to any one with eyes, a reasonable understanding of human nature and a grasp of the English language that you are utterly fascinated/horrified by sex and sexuality. You are very much like a preacher constantly railing against sin in the pulpit, but secretly hiding their own faults and lusts behind a self righteous façade.

<snipped>Paul Bethke rant about sanctified marriage, and why Yahweh will destroy the adulterers<snip>

The reason is that the commands of the Creator are primarily designed for the sanctified family, outside of this purpose, life on earth is meaningless, that is why Yahweh destroyed the people in the flood, they had become totally corrupt.

David did play a role in many things, but failed to achieve what God wanted, many people played a significant role but fell short—Jesus built on the successes of these people and added to what they failed to achieve, sanctified marriage being one of them.

SO, you can plainly SEE that it is not my interpretation, but the injunction of a holy Creator.

You SEE, every time you say that I am obsessed with sex, then I must explain why I am not.

I am not like those you mention, you are obsessed with lying.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Paul, during the time all of these ancient stories evolved before being committed to text and incorporated into scripture for the Torah and Bible we lived in a world that had multiple species of humans.

There was modern human, Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, Denisovans, and other genetic strains and lines that we don't have fossil evidence for that have been isolated in DNA. The Ashkenazi Jewish population have one of the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA than any of the other populations that live now..

These laws that are in the Torah represent a species, or species, that are on the brink of extinction that are trying to preserve a culture and genetic line. That's all it really boils down to, that's what it means when it states that Noah was pure in his generation. It's talking about a lack of corruption in the genetic line of a species.

Of course each human species thinks they are the chosen one and that the others are a corrupted version of the creator's intent. It's simply a matter of perspective. However, let me point out that the African population has the oldest genetic lines on the planet going as far back as 300,000 years based on a recent fossil find in Morocco. Whatever spiritual advantage it is that you think you have over these people in South Africa is probably based on your own egotistical interpretation of scripture and is not based on a personal God's will.

Well first of all, according to the Scriptures the world as we know it has only been in existence for 5777 years according to the Hebrew Scriptures. Now according to the Hebrew Scripture or record of the beginning there was Adam and then there was Eve, and all mankind stems from this.

Then after the flood there was Noah and his sons and their wives, eight all in all, and we are the offspring of these eight people. Now all people at that time would be of the same pigmentation, and due to some proses people changed colour.

Now do we use the Scriptures to explain the migration of people?

But back to the commands—the commands of Yahweh the Creator is what determines my interpretation. The culture of people contrary to the Torah determines their acceptance or rejection.

What was practiced by the missionaries was to educate the black Africans about the requirements of the stipulations of the Creator.

So it is the response to these laws that the blacks are judged on—those who continue in the practices that the Creator abhors and those who convert to the requirements of Torah.
Today the vast majority of blacks, some 70% prefer to indulge in the practices of the ancestors.

So there is no ego on my part by highlighting the continued sin that the blacks indulge in, what I find unacceptable is that they the blacks want to impose their culture on our children, and as such I am in opposition to this.

So, the Torah is what determines judgement.

 

[Chanakya]

I figured your parents wouldn't meet your purity criteria. So we know you don't honor them. They're also going to be cursed by the same vows of impending damnation you've given for all of us, so we know where you stand on those points.

Do you beat your parents? You still haven't answered that one.

You are speculating again—you figured wrong as always, you are not worth communicating with.

Browsing at random through bits and pieces of this long thread, this particular exchange had me ROFL-ing away.

You do have a talent for drawing out the full comic potential of ... people with unusual views, shall we say? I remember how you went to the trouble of actually setting up a spreadsheet in the Food Fetish thread as well, the one with the explosive toilet humor. Your selfless efforts in the larger cause of belly-laughs is appreciated!

 

[Border Reiver]

Well first of all, according to the Scriptures the world as we know it has only been in existence for 5777 years according to the Hebrew Scriptures. Now according to the Hebrew Scripture or record of the beginning there was Adam and then there was Eve, and all mankind stems from this.

And we know from the physical evidence that the earth has been in existence for a lot longer then 5777 years.

For example - there is evidence for social developments in Europe, the Middle East and the Far East two centuries PRIOR to this url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_century_BC#Events]date.[/url]

Then after the flood there was Noah and his sons and their wives, eight all in all, and we are the offspring of these eight people. Now all people at that time would be of the same pigmentation, and due to some proses people changed colour.

No evidence of the Flood as described in the Bible, or in the earlier Epic of Gilgamesh exists. There is no evidence of such a genetic bottleneck for either animal species, plant species or for people.

Now, don't be coy. You've stated that some people changed colour because they consumed blood. And then ignored the evidence that demonstrates that some people with dark skin do not consume blood, and that some cultures that do consume blood do not have dark skin.

Now do we use the Scriptures to explain the migration of people?

If you're a literalist, the Tower of Babel is what's used - God didn't like people working and living together and made them all speak different languages overnight, and rather then learn and work together like they had been doing, people decided that this was a sign that they all needed some alone time....