abaddon
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You understand that the answer "I don't know" is not an excuse to insert any darn thing and claim it to be true, right?
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Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah
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You understand that the answer "I don't know" is not an excuse to insert any darn thing and claim it to be true, right?
Belz...
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Irrelevant. Ignorance is no excuse to make things up.
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HAHA, No.
It was adopted by the Jewish tradition.
Where did God get this "pattern" from?
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Mmm, except, yeah, mostly.
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Belz...
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Speaking of having nothing, why did you fail to address what I said?
We don't know how the universe was created, therefore god. If you don't have an alternative explanation, mine is correct. This is the exact logic you're using, and it's wrong in both cases.
Your explanation has no evidence to support it, doesn't fit with Plato's description even though he's the only source you have for the claim, and has been debunked numerous times. In response to this you ask for alternatives because you know that, as you say:
You indeed don't.
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Now your making progress!
abaddon
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Ireland. There are carvings of it that predate the bible account.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Ireland_2010_etc_079.jpg
You're really not going to reply to post 626, are you?
I'll just repeat myself, I guess:
The "evidence" you've presented has not included anything relevant to a link between Atlantis and the menorah.
1. You've talked about Plato, and some ruins off the coast of Spain. This part of the conversation is relevant to whether or not Atlantis exists at all, but it is not evidence that links Atlantis to the Jewish people.
2. You've talked about how symbols in general and the menorah in specific may have changed over time. This part of the conversation is relevant to establishing that it is possible the menorah could have been based on some other symbol, but it is not evidence that links Atlantis to the Jewish people.
3. You've talked about some carvings and symbols. Not only are these symbols not evidence that links Atlantis to the Jewish people, you haven't even linked the symbols to either of those things individually.
So, again, I'm willing to set aside the stuff about Atlantis existing and I'm willing to concede that the menorah could have been taken from some other source. If you will actually engage with me on providing evidence that links the menorah to Atlantis I will totally concede your premise (that Atlantis existed and was in or near what is now Spain).
So far you haven't done this. Acting like you've given evidence linking the menorah to Atlantis won't work, we've all read this thread. If you have anything, please present it now.
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See... That's what you have to provide evidence for.
You interpret God showing Moses a design as meaning that there was some pre existing design the Jews found and pretended it came from God.
But this design could be just as post hoc and imaginary as God.
If you want to claim the Jews adopted the symbol from elsewhere, you are at least going to have to show a menorah-like pattern used by a culture the Jews came into contact with. Anything else is just speculation.
Stop trying to get us to defend your strawmen and just admit all you have is base speculation and nothing else.
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You claimed that before and I asked how you knew that. Did I miss your answer?
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"I don't know." is not an excuse to say "I know you're wrong."
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It was evidence, so probably, yeah.
Check Exodus...I've been quoting God's direction to make it after a "pattern" in or on some mount for about 14 pages...
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abaddon
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It is if your claim is tested and you fail to present any evidence at all.
Now, on the other hand, I have presented you with some actual evidence.
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^Did not watch the film, or ignored its contents.^
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Belz...
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You're simply not listening. You're not looking for a discussion, but for agreement. You're not going to get it on such flimsy evidence and logic.
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ALLOW ME TO APOLOGISE.
abaddon, has a theory AND he has evidence!
Please, do point to it. REALLY sorry I missed it.
(looking now)...
(still looking)...
(enlarged my screen font to make sure it wasn't in fine-print somewhere at the bottom)...
(still looking)...
Nope.
No alternative theory, no evidence.
You sir, are mistaken.
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