Paul Bethke vs the 613 Mitzvot

halleyscomet said:
The Bible explicitly mentions gay male sex but makes no explicit reference to lesbians. Does lesbian sex "count" in your estimation?

What's your stance on a man whose wife has a girlfriend spectating during their, er, "play" time?

Does a woman "pegging" a guy count as a marriage inducing sexual encounter in your theology?
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Well when we stay with what is written and take our cue from that then Paul gives insight into what the Creator decreed.

Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Marriage is between a man and his wife the two shall become one.—not sure what is pegging.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

One way to determine same sex marriage is to regard it in the light of procreation.
 
Crossbow said:
In other words, ...

The world would be a much better place if everyone just did what you thought was the correct thing to do.

With a horrible attitude like that, then you will have very few, if any, followers of your particular religious ideals.
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Nope in the same words—the world will be a better place when there is no more violence—violence was the reason that the Creator destroyed the people in the days of Noah, Violence and what caused violence!!

That will be the case--very few are left---Isa 24:17 Terror and pit and snare await you, O people of the earth.
Isa 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
 
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Paul Bethke said:
Nope in the same words—the world will be a better place when there is no more violence—violence was the reason that the Creator destroyed the people in the days of Noah, Violence and what caused violence!!
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That makes no sense. At all.
 
Paul Bethke said:
That will be the case--very few are left---Isa 24:17 Terror and pit and snare await you, O people of the earth.
Isa 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
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That is a really crappy translation. The hebrew does not say that.

You make your "beliefs" from crappy translations? Of course you do. :rolleyes:
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well when we stay with what is written and take our cue from that then Paul gives insight into what the Creator decreed.

Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Marriage is between a man and his wife the two shall become one.—not sure what is pegging.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

One way to determine same sex marriage is to regard it in the light of procreation.
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How do you define "unnatural" relations? Given the prevalence of harems at the time and among the biblical patriarchs, it's unreasonable to assume "unnatural" automatically means "homosexual" without examining the original languages.

Paul Bethke said:
One way to determine same sex marriage is to regard it in the light of procreation.
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So no kink? No pegging? No flogging, whipping or sex with an infertile wife? No vasectomies? No anal, oral or handjobs? No finger-banging unless it's just a prelude to penile penetration of the vagina during ovulation?

By that laughable pathetic standard, my wife and I should stop having sex, as we're not planning to have any more kids.
 
Zivan said:
That is a really crappy translation. The hebrew does not say that.

You make your "beliefs" from crappy translations? Of course you do. :rolleyes:
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Well that is the meaning—very few are left as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot.
Isa 24:17 Panic, pit and trap are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth.

Should the inhabitants of the world not suffer the same judgement that was brought on Israel for the sins committed?

Is it not a reference to all the earth?---- Isa 24:19 The earth is broken apart, the earth is split open, the earth is shaken utterly.
Isa 24:20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunk, and sways like a hut. its transgression is so heavy upon it that it will fall and never rise again.

So as yet this is still prophesied to happen!!
 
=halleyscomet;11839443]How do you define "unnatural" relations? Given the prevalence of harems at the time and among the biblical patriarchs, it's unreasonable to assume "unnatural" automatically means "homosexual" without examining the original languages.
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What the Creator ordained in the beginning serves as the basis to marriage—one man to have one wife---so because people deviated from what the Creator prescribed does not make that acceptable—the purpose of the Gospel is to go back to the beginning.
So no kink? No pegging? No flogging, whipping or sex with an infertile wife? No vasectomies? No anal, oral or handjobs? No finger-banging unless it's just a prelude to penile penetration of the vagina during ovulation?

By that laughable pathetic standard, my wife and I should stop having sex, as we're not planning to have any more kids.
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If that is how you view it.

The Creator created man and woman with the organs to enjoy each other’s company in a sexual way, with two restrictions. No anal sex and no sex during the menstrual cycle.
 
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Paul Bethke said:
---now the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah is a way for the Creator to bring things in line with his original plan and purpose.

<snip rambling>

......the wisdom of Yahweh....

<snip more rambling>

.......the wisdom of the Creator........

<snip rambling>

.........the will of the Creator........

<snip rambling>

Now a sanctified marriage is the cardinal focus of the Creator......

<snip rambling>

So, hence my continual focus on adultery.........

<snip obsessive rambling>

So, as in the days of Noah, Yahweh will bring judgement on all who commit adultery—

<snip rambling>
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So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?
 
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Paul Bethke said:
If you say so!
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I say so and have shown evidence of this phenomenon. It is proven fact that you do not understand the original languages of the Torah. It is proven fact that you fall victim to errors in translation. It is proven fact that you cannot distinguish between good translations and poor translations. It is proven fact that you cannot overcome the inherent vagary of translation.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Nope in the same words—the world will be a better place when there is no more violence—violence was the reason that the Creator destroyed the people in the days of Noah, Violence and what caused violence!!

That will be the case--very few are left---Isa 24:17 Terror and pit and snare await you, O people of the earth.
Isa 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
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So, I guess that means your god is going to use violence to get rid of the violence that is in the world.

That logic makes about as much sense as any of the other nonsense that you have been spouting ever since you got to the Forum.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well that is the meaning—very few are left as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot.
Isa 24:17 Panic, pit and trap are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth.

Should the inhabitants of the world not suffer the same judgement that was brought on Israel for the sins committed?

Is it not a reference to all the earth?---- Isa 24:19 The earth is broken apart, the earth is split open, the earth is shaken utterly.
Isa 24:20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunk, and sways like a hut. its transgression is so heavy upon it that it will fall and never rise again.

So as yet this is still prophesied to happen!!
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None of that addressed her point about you using a crappy translation.

It seems to be increasingly common for you to respond to direct criticism with an unrelated rant. I take that as a concession that you have no response to the point you are dodging.

Paul Bethke said:
What the Creator ordained in the beginning serves as the basis to marriage—one man to have one wife
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And yet again you prove you've never actually READ much of the Old Testament. For example, here is David being chastised for shagging Bathsheba:

2 Samuel 12:8
I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
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Why would God give Saul's harem to David, and have his prophet Samuel list it as one of the blessings God gave David, if he disapproved of polygamy?

Paul Bethke said:
The Creator created man and woman with the organs to enjoy each other’s company in a sexual way, with two restrictions. No anal sex and no sex during the menstrual cycle.
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Make up your mind, One moment you say no sex except for procreation, now you're allowing hummers. No wonder your retching preaching is discarded as nonsense by all who hear it. You can't say more than a few sentences before you contradict yourself.

Zivan said:
So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?
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Are you suggesting Jesus has Daddy issues?
 
Zivan said:
So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?
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I suspect PB has little to zero knowledge of ancient near eastern history or archealogy, and has NO IDEA about the history of his god...........

He will then ignore my post, or start ranting about "blasphemy".......

:rolleyes:
 
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Zivan said:
I suspect PB has little to zero knowledge of ancient near eastern history or archealogy, and has NO IDEA about the history of his god...........



He will then ignore my post, or start ranting about "blasphemy".......



:rolleyes:
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My money is on him accusing you of being a secret Muslim again, or at the very least claiming you're not a "real" Jew by whatever definition suits him at the moment.
 
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Border Reiver said:
Show your references for the "no anal" prohibition.
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It is a simple conclusion for a pure mind. As man with man having anal sex which is termed detestable by the Creator so anal sex with a wife is just as detestable, as this is not what the Creator intended.

It shows how corrupt people have become to want to indulge in this unnatural way—it is another reason that the world will be judged. Besides anal sex cannot produce progeny.
Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

So not only lesbian acts but also anal sex..
 
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