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Gilbert Syndrome said:
Well I'm only speaking of the UK, and in particular the North-West of England. I know for a fact that Liverpool and Manchester have suffered many spates of organized home-invasions and robberies, and then there's been the less-organized robberies, too, smaller gangs, crackheads, kids.

Footballers are often having their houses burgled, too, and that's almost always organized by known gangs.
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Not to start a polemic, but is there a breakdown of ethnic groups involved? I'm just curious as to why we don't have this problem in Canada.
 
Argumemnon said:
Not to start a polemic, but is there a breakdown of ethnic groups involved? I'm just curious as to why we don't have this problem in Canada.
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I couldn't honestly tell you that, but I know a lot of it is definitely gang-related, and there are enough black and white gangs here as it is. There are Asian gangs, but I couldn't tell you what the break down of stats per group would be.

Some parts of the city have more black crime than others, the Princess Park area has many Somali people living there, while China-town here (probably the oldest in Europe) has many gangs operating it, Triad-related. Anfield and places nearer to the city center are largely white gangs.

Many of these gangs are known by police, especially the ones who are generally behind a lot of home-invasion cases, especially the more high-profile cases.

Liverpool has a lot of people here from all over the world, it always has, so it's not easy to pin down any kind of true stats based on ethnic groups.
 
I can't speak for the U.K., but in the Santa Cruz mountains in California home invasions are very rare. The reason? At least 90% of homeowners have at least one firearm in their home. And the burglars/home invaders know it.
 
bytewizard said:
I can't speak for the U.K., but in the Santa Cruz mountains in California home invasions are very rare. The reason? At least 90% of homeowners have at least one firearm in their home. And the burglars/home invaders know it.
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I'd guess that being in a country in which people are allowed to be armed for their own protection would go some way to limiting the chance of a home-invasion/burglary. That being said, sometimes people are either desperate, stupid, or violent enough to take that risk.

There are a few cases I can immediately bring to mind in the UK where a robbery has gone wrong and the culprits were killed, there was the famous case involving the farmer who shot the culprits and was taken to court over it. There was also the recent case of a youth who was stabbed to death whilst attempting to rob a house.
 
bytewizard said:
I can't speak for the U.K., but in the Santa Cruz mountains in California home invasions are very rare. The reason? At least 90% of homeowners have at least one firearm in their home. And the burglars/home invaders know it.
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How do they know it?
 
marplots said:
That doesn't make sense to me at all. It implies that, when I am fearful for my life, there is only one course of action open to me when in practice there may be several. One course of action to mitigate the threat might be to scare the aggressor by demonstrating I have a gun. Another might be to run away. But no one suggests that running away, instead of shooting, means I couldn't have been afraid for my life.

You'd think the law would be open to having more options available, not fewer.
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Running away does not put you in trouble with the law, it can make you a clearer target (you are getting away and may thus get the police). The law does not address it since it is not rational to do so and thus does not apply to the law. The other items have been provided previously.
 
marplots said:
How do they know it?
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People who live in the western US are much more likely to have firearms for multiple reasons/uses. They are much likely to know how to and when to use them - generally with skill and speed. If they live in wildernessy locations the likelihood is even higher. This applies equally well in the mountain areas in the eastern equivalents. You tend to longer life that way!!!!!
 
Vixen said:
This is incorrect. I said, if he shot them because he was irked then he should be charged with manslaughter.


We still need to hear the full details, which will not come out until trial, so I should hold your horses as to whether you know what happened.
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As long as he maintains the calmly quoted "I was afraid for my life!", he stays golden and free!!! I trust he will not be so stupid as to annoy his attorney and the prosecutor by saying, "Little ***** just pissed me off so I blew 'em away!!!"
he will be fine!!!
 
Tony Stark said:
The people saying brass knuckles are illegal must be Brits. You can buy them in the US no questions asked over the internet.
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They are illegal in most if not all states - to carry around. Owning them is not illegal in any states I know of otherwise though!!! Same with the knuckle duster/knife combo. I would check locally first though (I wouldn't, just noting you might want to)!!!
 
luchog said:
Perhaps, but some of us have, in fact, been the victims of home invasion. There was a rash of home-invasion robberies and burglaries in my neighborhood about a half-decade ago. About half the homes in the neighborhood were hit at some point, several successfully. Mine was hit three times, though the robber only managed to actually enter the house once, and was just a dumbass kid who fled as soon as he was confronted, as he didn't expect anyone large and male to be home (women and old folks are easier to intimidate). The other two times, they were scared off while trying to pry open windows.

I kept a shotgun under the bed for just such an occurrence. Fortunately, I never needed to actually fire it. Eventually, the police bowed to public pressure and actually did something about the problem, but it was pretty much open season for a few months.
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That's a burglary. I've been there, had that happen to me. ran off the burgler. No...the type of "Home Invasion" that scares the crap out of people is where the invaders come in knowing you are at home and intending to beat you up until you give them what they want - and then do gawd-knows what else. i don't worry about this "Home Invasion": I don't deal drugs and I don't hang around bad people or steal from people.

So...no problem.
 
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
Highlights *An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007. *A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries. *Simple assault (15%) was the most common form of violence when a resident was home and violence occurred. Robbery (7%) and rape (3%) were less likely to occur when a household member was present and violence occurred. *Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent burglaries; offenders were strangers in 28%. *Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm. *Households residing in single family units and higher density structures of 10 or more units were least likely to be burglarized (8 per 1,000 households) while a household member was present. *Serious injury accounted for 9% and minor injury accounted for 36% of injuries sustained by household members who were home and experienced violence during a completed burglary.
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Rare indeed.
 
EHocking said:
Please stop with the inaccurate "education" on British society and mores.

A knuckle sandwich, Glaswegian or not, is a punch, specifically to the mouth, with a naked fist.

Perhaps you were thinking of a Glasgow kiss, or a Jaggy Bunnet?
Also nothing to do with brass knuckles (or knuckle dusters).
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Does it have anything to do with being kicked in the Gorbals?
 
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