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Let's talk about Demons.

The Atheist said:
I'm no christian, but there are a couple of relevant facts:

The RCC - considered by some to be progressive, has a huge number of ordained exorcists.

The Episcopalian/Anglican Church, easily the most progressive christian church, has exorcists and conducts exorcisms, so I think the answer is that all churches believe in demons as much as they do the sky-daddy.

Definitely not treated as allegory.
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Same thinking that Donald Trump understands about his flock.
 
arthwollipot said:
You disagree with my description of Christians I know? Do you know the same Christians I do? I didn't know you went to the same church I did at the same time and met the same people. In what way are those individuals different from the way I am describing them?
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No I was not suggesting that at all. I was only pointing out that my experience with Christians, (and I have met many believe me), was not the same as your own.

Yeah, that would be the case if I ever claimed that what I said was true for all Christians everywhere. Which I didn't - repeatedly. That's something that you appear to keep on forgetting.
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I thought your implication was fairly clear - that you were speaking with authority about Christians in general.

The Christians I am describing would not read The God Delusion. They would not even consider reading The God Delusion because reading books by Satanists like Dawkins and Hitchens is Satanism. Hence, Dawkins' and Hitchens' books are utterly irrelevant to them and, yes, wasted if the intent was to make those people atheists.

Now my saying that does not even remotely suggest that there are no Christians on whom those books are not wasted. Do you understand?
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Oh yes, I am the full bottle now.:rolleyes:
 
Thor 2 said:
No I was not suggesting that at all. I was only pointing out that my experience with Christians, (and I have met many believe me), was not the same as your own.
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With respect, that was not what you said.

Thor 2 said:
I thought your implication was fairly clear - that you were speaking with authority about Christians in general.
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Despite my saying several times that I was not?
 
The Atheist said:
I'm no christian, but there are a couple of relevant facts:

The RCC - considered by some to be progressive, has a huge number of ordained exorcists.

The Episcopalian/Anglican Church, easily the most progressive christian church, has exorcists and conducts exorcisms, so I think the answer is that all churches believe in demons as much as they do the sky-daddy.

Definitely not treated as allegory.
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Deliverance consultants.
 
Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I'm no christian, but there are a couple of relevant facts:

The RCC - considered by some to be progressive, has a huge number of ordained exorcists.

The Episcopalian/Anglican Church, easily the most progressive christian church, has exorcists and conducts exorcisms, so I think the answer is that all churches believe in demons as much as they do the sky-daddy.

Definitely not treated as allegory.
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Yes that certainly seems to be the case. Have you heard any sort of explanation of were these demon guys come from however?

As I posted before are they yet another example of God's blundering creation or are they the Devil's handiwork.
 
arthwollipot said:
Except that it doesn't. It only shows them that Satan is working through his servants, the atheists, to shake and undermine their faith, and any criticism just bounces straight off them because they see it as a signal that they must be stronger in their faith.

Fortunately. That type of Christian is pretty annoying.
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Well, to clarify, I meant "destroys their belief system" from a logical argument point of view, not from actually having any impact on the person in question.
 
Thor 2 said:
Have you heard any sort of explanation of were these demon guys come from however?

As I posted before are they yet another example of God's blundering creation or are they the Devil's handiwork.
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They're former angels who took the Devil's side and got cast out with him. They're normally in Hell but occasionally somehow escape and need to be sent back.

How have you managed not to hear this before?
 
Delvo said:
They're former angels who took the Devil's side and got cast out with him. They're normally in Hell but occasionally somehow escape and need to be sent back.

How have you managed not to hear this before?
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Yes I have heard stuff like this. However the Devil was an angel too wasn't he. So was he a special super dooper angel and the others some lesser angels? It's all so confusing for us mere mortals to understand.:boggled:
 
Thor 2 said:
Yes that certainly seems to be the case. Have you heard any sort of explanation of were these demon guys come from however?

As I posted before are they yet another example of God's blundering creation or are they the Devil's handiwork.
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No blunder - just 'the sky-daddy allowing things to happen.

Did god strike Cain down before he could slay Abel?
 
arthwollipot said:
Many (most?) Christians, as I was at great pains to explain in another thread, just don't consider some of these things worth thinking about, so they've never felt the need to come to firm conclusions about them.
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I'm not sure exactly what you reference, because I didn't bother to read whatever you reference, but I have to say that you encapsulate brilliantly what you say about what many people don't need to think is not worth thinking about.

Christianity and all other fantasies in a nutshell.
 
Elind said:
I'm not sure exactly what you reference, because I didn't bother to read whatever you reference, but I have to say that you encapsulate brilliantly what you say about what many people don't need to think is not worth thinking about.

Christianity and all other fantasies in a nutshell.
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Reminds me of the movie "Inherit the Wind" where Henry Drummond backs Matthew Harrison Brady into a corner, and forces him to make the utterance "I don't think about things I don't think about."

Pathetic response of course and worthy of contempt.
 
Thor 2 said:
Reminds me of the movie "Inherit the Wind" where Henry Drummond backs Matthew Harrison Brady into a corner, and forces him to make the utterance "I don't think about things I don't think about."

Pathetic response of course and worthy of contempt.
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Do you think about whether the hand should be in pronation or supination during a parry in quarte?

There are lots of things that people don't think about. This is just one of them.
 
Delvo said:
They're former angels who took the Devil's side and got cast out with him. They're normally in Hell but occasionally somehow escape and need to be sent back.

How have you managed not to hear this before?
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That's not actually xian canon. It's a later addition, apocryphal at best.
 
arthwollipot said:
Do you think about whether the hand should be in pronation or supination during a parry in quarte?

There are lots of things that people don't think about. This is just one of them.
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Anyone who isn't concerned with the proper way to avoid rotation in a one arm handstand is in denial of the important things in life.
 
Thor 2 said:
Reminds me of the movie "Inherit the Wind" where Henry Drummond backs Matthew Harrison Brady into a corner, and forces him to make the utterance "I don't think about things I don't think about."

Pathetic response of course and worthy of contempt.
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The universe in general can be explained using the methodology of natural science by way of evidence and anything not able to be explained by and given evidence for using science, is nothing but woo in various disguises.

Now with this in mind, would you please using the methodology of natural science by way of evidence give evidence for the fact that a response can be pathetic and worthy of contempt. I suggest you start by giving evidence for the words "pathetic" and "contempt" using the methodology of natural science.

In short, how do you know that it is a "pathetic response of course and worthy of contempt"?
 
arthwollipot said:
Do you think about whether the hand should be in pronation or supination during a parry in quarte?

There are lots of things that people don't think about. This is just one of them.
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Brady was being questioned about stuff in the Bible - a book he was an authority on. He should think about these things.

Try another analogy.
 
Thor 2 said:
Brady was being questioned about stuff in the Bible - a book he was an authority on. He should think about these things.

Try another analogy.
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Would you please answer, how you know, that a response can be pathetic and worthy of contempt?
 
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