Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part IV

[Stacko]

I think Bannon has won out over Kellyanne in the battle for the Trump Campaign. Kellyanne looks like a damn fool for leading everybody to believe we would see a more moderate stance on immigratation after Donald's hard line speech yesterday.

There was never a competition between them. You can't run a campaign from a green room so it's clear Kellyanne had the title in name only. She was brought in to soften his image on TV in an attempt to get back the white female voters the campaign has been terminally hemorrhaging.

 

[dudalb]

Yea, but check out The Saturday Night Massacre for how it can and should work.

And in the case of the aftermath of 9/11, there was genuine concern that another 9/11 was being plotted, and people were willing to take steps to prevent that normally they would not take. I thing they were wrong,but still unless there is another 9/11 I think people will be a lot less likely to obey.

 

[dudalb]

There was never a competition between them. You can't run a campaign from a green room so it's clear Kellyanne had the title in name only. She was brought in to soften his image on TV in an attempt to get back the white female voters the campaign has been terminally hemorrhaging.

It must be frustrating for Kellyanne,when you have a candidate who brings you in for a specific purpose and then makes it impossible for you to do it.....

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It must be frustrating for Kellyanne,when you have a candidate who brings you in for a specific purpose and then makes it impossible for you to do it.....

With President Trump, that's how the entire State Department and Pentagon will feel.

 

[halleyscomet]

The illustrious Popehat site wades into the debate from the viewpoint of a former federal prosecutor:

About Trump's Mandatory-Minimums For Returning-Aliens Proposal

The tl;dr summary is that minimum sentencing guidelines don't reduce crime. They take away the motivation to plea-bargain in an already overwhelmed system and Trump's plan would cause all processing of illegal immigrants to grind to a halt, even IF he put in place a few fast-track systems.

 

[Dr. Keith]

There was never a competition between them. You can't run a campaign from a green room so it's clear Kellyanne had the title in name only. She was brought in to soften his image on TV in an attempt to get back the white female voters the campaign has been terminally hemorrhaging.

Stabbing her in the back will really endear him to those women. Good plan!

 

[ddt]

You don't need a ground game if you are going to cheat :

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

Wow. Purging voters from the rolls is not a felony? I'd say willfully purging a voter from the rolls is just as morally wrong as voting double.

In the Netherlands it's even easier.
From the moment you are 18, you are automatically on the register for elections.

Whenever an election is held an election pass is send to your main address.
Then only thing you have to do is show your election pass with one of the prescribed ID's (passport, ID-card or drivers licence, which must be not more than 5 years past their end date) to be able to vote.

And that ID is no problem as you're required to have one and carry it on you anyways.

There are some rules concerning when you want to use a voting place other than the one on your election pass, but even there the intention is to make it as easy as possible for all to vote.

IIRC, for national elections there are no rules at all for that. The last few elections, there was a polling place at Utrecht train station, the central railway hub, for the benefit of commuters.

That's very easy as well.

The difference is more that here every citizen over 18 automatically is registered.
The only exceptions are when your voting rights are taken away by a judge (can only be done when convicted for a crime that entails at least 1 years of imprisonment (and is not automatically so, but not sure about that last one)).

Yes, the judge has to explicitly take away your voting rights in his sentencing.

Legal aliens also can vote in county elections (but not for the larger elections) when present in the Netherlands for at least 5 years.

Municipal elections is the correct term (levels of government: municipality - province - national - EU).

In the Netherlands, the government very likely knows where you live. As I recall, you register with the local town when you move there.

It's not at all similar in the U.S. in my experience. We're a little leery of that sort of oversight. Property taxes aside, ain't nobody's business whether I live here or there.

Yes, that's right (and I don't write this to provoke a discussion on it). All residents are registered at the civil registry. Each municipality has a register with a national copy. Interested parties, such as pension funds or the tax office, get automatic updates. It's something we inherited, with most of the rest of continental Europe, from a Corsican corporal. When you move, you go to town hall and tell them you're moving out and tell them the new address and you're automatically registered at the new place.

As to students: they're free here to register at either place, their parents' or their student's room in their university towns. University towns here love it if they register there, because the national government gives the municipalities money based on the number of inhabitants.

Voting by mail is a nearly ideal way to increase voter participation, and eliminate all the problems associated with traditional methods: inconvenient poll hours and locations, long lines, hackable voting machines, restrictive ID laws, etc. I'd like to see it adopted more widely. But you still have to decide where you live.

There's a principal problem with voting by mail. Voting is supposed to be free and secret. With mail-in votes, you don't know if someone held the voter (literally or figuratively) a gun to their head while filling the ballot. At a polling place the "free and secret" part is assured through the oversight of the pollsters.

The issues you mention with polling places are really constructed problems. Long lines? Open more polling places or make more polling booths available at the existing ones. My city of 150,000 inh. has ca. 100 polling places. Inconvenient hours? Open them longer. Here, polling places are open from 7AM to 9PM. Hackable voting machines? Abolish them or demand thorough certification (on the level that the software is provably correct ). ID-laws? I'd think that by now there would be clear guidelines on what is acceptable in that area and what not.

 

[phiwum]

The Mexican president told the orange turd that Mexico will not pay for the wall. You know, the orange turd's main "policy". And then the orange turd lied about it.

So presidential.

Did he? Cite?

 

[phiwum]

Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers yet good people?

Anything but admitting your Fuhrer is contradicting himself.

Goodness, I don't want to defend Trump, but Trump never claimed that Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers. He claimed that Mexico sends their rapists and drug dealers here.

Crazy? Nuts? Absolutely. Completely bonkers. But it's not the same presumed contradiction you suggest.

 

[halleyscomet]

50 Candidates Who'd Be Better Than Trump At Being President

 

[grunion]

Because he doesn't like Mexicans, only Mexican-Americans.

Of course, that would be applying the rules of grammar and logic to something Trump has said, and I really don't know that this is fair. To grammar or logic.

Like Bruno says, calling them "Mexicans" is racist.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Goodness, I don't want to defend Trump, but Trump never claimed that Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers. He claimed that Mexico sends their rapists and drug dealers here.

Crazy? Nuts? Absolutely. Completely bonkers. But it's not the same presumed contradiction you suggest.

An appeal to literal wording ignores the broad brush he was painting with, aside from my not being entirely sure your surmise about what has been said is entirely correct, either. What would solve this in any case is how his supporters understand and process the sentiment; on that score, having seen the videos of the crowds at his events and heard the words they shout, quite sure the above apologetics are unwarranted.

 

[Belz...]

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I'd be better than Trump at being president.

 

[Minoosh]

Credit where it's due, sort of. I think Trump's trip to Mexico was a win. When he's not in his fascist persona, he can sound quite reasonable. He's already signaled that he might not be such a hardliner vs. illegal immigrants who are not habitual criminals. (And BTW he has said many other moderate things). If he got the haters on board with distinguishing between ordinary illegal immigrants and the criminals among them, that would be a real accomplishment. I don't think that will happen though.

 

[dudalb]

Credit where it's due, sort of. I think Trump's trip to Mexico was a win. When he's not in his fascist persona, he can sound quite reasonable. He's already signaled that he might not be such a hardliner vs. illegal immigrants who are not habitual criminals. (And BTW he has said many other moderate things). If he got the haters on board with distinguishing between ordinary illegal immigrants and the criminals among them, that would be a real accomplishment. I don't think that will happen though.

I think his hard line speech last night negated whatever gains he made with his Mexican Trip. You are giving him way too much credit.
he can sound reasonable for about five minutes, then goes bonkers again. He is not going to stop.

 

[dudalb]

An appeal to literal wording ignores the broad brush he was painting with, aside from my not being entirely sure your surmise about what has been said is entirely correct, either. What would solve this in any case is how his supporters understand and process the sentiment; on that score, having seen the videos of the crowds at his events and heard the words they shout, quite sure the above apologetics are unwarranted.

THis, Trump's intent is clear. He is tagging HIspanics as Rapists and Criminals using the "read between the lines" technique, where something is not stated but strongly implied.

 

[Ladewig]

It must be frustrating for Kellyanne,when you have a candidate who brings you in for a specific purpose and then makes it impossible for you to do it.....

Hey, Kellyanne knew the car was on fire and had no brakes when she got into it. She even bragged about knowing how to control cars that are on fire. I won't be shedding tears over Trump making her job impossible.

 

[dudalb]

Wow. Purging voters from the rolls is not a felony? I'd say willfully purging a voter from the rolls is just as morally wrong as voting double.


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Purging eligible voters from the rolls is a crime. Legitimate Purging (people who have died since the last election, people who no longer have legal residence in the voting district) is done in every precinct. Not to do so does leave the door open for fraud. (the infamous Graveyard vote in Chicago, for example, where officials were careful NOT to remove dead voters from the rolls).
The problem is when officials try to purge eligible voters from the rolls.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Credit where it's due, sort of. I think Trump's trip to Mexico was a win.

If Obama had given the same speech while in Mexico Trump and his supporters would call it treason. That is how bad the speech was. That is how bad the trip was.

 

[Dr. Keith]

An appeal to literal wording ignores the broad brush he was painting with, . . . .

More importantly, his literal wording is often incoherent. It is pure dog whistle with no relationship to actual grammar.