The day you are saved - from religion

[aleCcowaN]

So any criticism of religion is anti-theist propaganda.

You know better than that puerile fallacious attempt of an argument, tsig.

I reckon the level in this subforum is so low that you may have being tricked into thinking it was a cromulent one.

 

[tsig]

That's crap. You're changing your definitions in the middle of the sentence just to be seen like a penseur.

Why are you proselytizing your anti atheist beliefs? By your own argument you are as bad as the anti theist atheists. Did an angry atheist do you wrong?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I have throughout the years been shown without any doubt that NOTHING irks and frustrates and infuriates buybull thumpers more than having the buybull thumped right back at them making a mockery of their thumping.

I suppose that that's great, if your goal is to irk, frustrate and infuriate people. I'm not sure that's the most propitious approach, though.

 

[truethat]

Yeah you have to wonder why someone is going through life trying irk and infuriate someone who believes in the Bible. The petulant stupidity of calling it the "buybull" is just nonsensical. Who are you trying to rouse up when doing that? It's clearly a sign of immaturity and a need to cause friction and stress.

Obviously that would refer IMO back to my other point that some sort of mental issues, perhaps related to being raised in a fanatical Christian home, has created this mindset that the person must abuse others with similar beliefs to "get back at" or "punish" someone for something done to them.

It's sad really.

 

[Leumas]

...I was wondering how much time had to pass before being "accused" of being a theist in disguise, ....

Right after you posted all the below anti-atheism claptrap accusing atheists with being militant irrational zealots who hate religion because they have had their religious cojones removed and that is why they now are angry anti-theists.

Don't mix up atheism with anti-theism. Many anti-theists -there are half a dozen of ferocious ones in these fora- only want to take 5 year old laddies and shake them shouting «Santa doesn't exist, you stupid prick! It's your parents, who, by the way, don't even love you! You're alone for the rest of your petty short life, you scum!» and wouldn't stop until the kido dissolves in his tears.
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... proselytizing from men with prostate adenome? But I agree this is becoming more a tour de force for anti-theism than the collection of spiritual "coming of age"*** stories it was intended to be....

..., or why atheism (more probably anti-theism) rocks and why we can "talk dirty" in this safe, sanitized environment.

Antitheism isn't finding theism inconvenient, ...

... Don't buy the whole crap of religion being inherently bad because of creationism and intifada.

As I thought, this thread is degenerating in antitheist propaganda ...
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phargis, I think it is you who is here trying to indoctrinate people into the notion believers are evil/ignorant/less moral. That itself identifies antitheism as what it is, another form of belief. I only want antitheists to acknowledge their religious nature and stop poisoning the group of non-theist.

You're just concealing it with a disguise. .... I only see behind these apparently elevated antitheists people who were harmed by religious beliefs and want them to pay for that. What about the promotion of reason? What if they learn to play chess, prove theorems and gut the arguments of crackpots denying global warming, but they don't renounce to their religious beliefs? Is that your intention? Are you willing to work for that?
The wise saying tells that there is no worse zealot than a convert. New-born antitheists fit well that description.

There's a conceptual problem in that: antitheism is militant and a creed, not rational and an ideology. Antitheists are like white folk in the USA during the eighteenth and nineteenth century: the best theist (Indian) is that who doesn't interact with you; if they do, they'll pay for their brutish nature.

So far, you have shown to do exactly the same in an opposite fashion. The only defence of antitheism is not having an outlined dogma, but strongly reacting against what deviates from that non-existent dogma . That gives it away as a religious reaction to theism with rational facets and not as a rational reaction to religion.

the removal of their theist bollocks is so superficial that they resent that fact and concentrate all their zeal and hate against the religion that "doesn't let them go free" in "the windmills of their minds" so to speak.

Non-theistic beliefs are generally grounded upon verifiable substantive facts about the universe, whereas theistic beliefs are based upon unevidenced fantasy. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer credible evidence for what I believe in.

That's crap. ....

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I don't know how much, if anything, we can infer from that kind of rhetoric. I don't think it's a good idea to do so without the actual facts.

However, I do think it's worth pointing out when someone's approach to a subject appears to be at odds with their apparent goals.

 

[Desert Fox]

Has anybody listened to this weeks "Ask an Atheist?" podcast / radio show. They interview a mom who just tried to tell the principle that she was uncomfortable with prayer lead by him. The Christian parents then effectively went nuts over it.

 

[Leumas]

I've mentioned before ... <snip... bare assertions of claptrap and tu quoque and the non sequiturs>

It is an age old stratagem for religious hoaxers to utilize the artifice of repeatedly asserting falsities over and over with an air of authority so as to bamboozle simpletons and make them believe fabricated absurdities as facts.

 

[Leumas]

<snip... more piles of claptrap>

Obviously that would refer IMO back to my other point that some sort of mental issues, perhaps related to being raised in a fanatical Christian home, has created this mindset that the person must abuse others with similar beliefs to "get back at" or "punish" someone for something done to them...

Ok so you are asserting that growing up in a fanatical Christian home causes mental issues.... right?

So my question to you now is.... what mental damage results from growing up in a fanatical Christian home followed by attending a seminary university and studying Christianity for a vocation?

... When I went to seminary....

And then you go on to say

...has created this mindset that the person must abuse others with similar beliefs to "get back at" or "punish" someone for something done to them...

Do seminary university failed dropouts have a compulsion to go around quack-psychoanalyzing people on internet forums who do not share their kind of "atheism" as angry mentally damaged abused products of fanatical Christian homes?

... When I left seminary...

 

[truethat]

Has anybody listened to this weeks "Ask an Atheist?" podcast / radio show. They interview a mom who just tried to tell the principle that she was uncomfortable with prayer lead by him. The Christian parents then effectively went nuts over it.

Do you have a transcript?

 

[truethat]

If I found the right person I think you are referring to here is her blog. If you go on the blog you can see she was an active Mormon until recently. So why would she suddenly start going out trying to change the world to match her atheism when she really doesn't seem to be comfortable being an atheist unless everyone else will back off and say it's OK.

http://rubyslippersx3.blogspot.com/search/label/faith crisis

In short, what did she expect was going to happen when she was a member of a community for years and then turned on it and started trashing it?

I'm wondering where this sort of mindset comes from that everything has to be accommodating and accepting of us and that it's not ok to live as a minority.

The majority of people say they believe in god. (I personally do not believe the actually believe what they say they do, one simple example is "Have you read the entire Bible? You really believe that your God wrote it and you can't be bothered to read it? I doubt you really believe God wrote it then.)

So I'm the minority. Big deal.

ETA


So funny. I just found this article about the woman and she says EXACTLY what I'm pointing out. She doesn't like feeling like a minority. Why? What's the big deal? You live in a country where the majority of people have religious beliefs and you want them to accommodate you at all times? Why not just accept that it's ok that other people feel differently? Why the need to tear it down.

(PS you'll notice that her motivation was not Constitutional Rights but instead her feeling "left out.") To me that's just dumb.

http://www.peacock-panache.com/2015...-harassment-at-prosper-high-school-19426.html

 

[aleCcowaN]

Why are you proselytizing your anti atheist beliefs? By your own argument you are as bad as the anti theist atheists. Did an angry atheist do you wrong?

Your reply doesn't match the text quoted.

If you're curious I am just making fun of ignorant talkative people. Don't worry, these ruminations about religion and lack thereof are bound to bore me soon, like every primitivism do.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Right after you posted all the below anti-atheism claptrap accusing atheists with being militant irrational zealots who hate religion because they have had their religious cojones removed and that is why they now are angry anti-theists.

Hmmm? No.

Nice use of crayolas, though. Very creative.

 

[aleCcowaN]

So funny. I just found this article about the woman and she says EXACTLY what I'm pointing out. She doesn't like feeling like a minority. Why? What's the big deal? You live in a country where the majority of people have religious beliefs and you want them to accommodate you at all times? Why not just accept that it's ok that other people feel differently? Why the need to tear it down.

I compare these zealot theists and anti-theists with one group -the theist- trying to have sexual intercourse everywhere: public places, kindergartens, etc, while the opposite group -the antitheist- is trying to have sexual intercourse banned from everywhere including theists' bedrooms. Both are pathologically obsessed with sex. Anyway, sex continues to be more part of human nature than its absence. A healthy approach is if it pleases you have sex and if it pleases you have it not, but in any case don't let a piece of pubic hair have your reason in a leash.

 

[The Big Dog]

So any criticism of religion is anti-theist propaganda.

Rule of So!

excellent!

 

[truethat]

I compare these zealot theists and anti-theists with one group -the theist- trying to have sexual intercourse everywhere: public places, kindergartens, etc, while the opposite group -the antitheist- is trying to have sexual intercourse banned from everywhere including theists' bedrooms. Both are pathologically obsessed with sex. Anyway, sex continues to be more part of human nature than its absence. A healthy approach is if it pleases you have sex and if it pleases you have it not, but in any case don't let a piece of pubic hair have your reason in a leash.

Ah that is a such a great way of putting it. They are pathologically obsessed with religion! Exactamundo! So this woman for example (if you read her blog) is obviously going through some sort of spiritual crisis and is taking it out on everyone around her and lashing out because she doesn't want to feel like a "minority"


It's kinda dumb to me because want to say to her "Um you do realize that even if they keep quiet in front of you, they still believe what they believe. You still are a minority?"

 

[The Big Dog]

Non-theistic beliefs are generally grounded upon verifiable substantive facts about the universe, whereas theistic beliefs are based upon unevidenced fantasy. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer credible evidence for what I believe in.

generally... but then one has repeated posts like this:

It is an age old stratagem for religious hoaxers to utilize the artifice of repeatedly asserting falsities over and over with an air of authority so as to bamboozle simpletons and make them believe fabricated absurdities as facts.

 

[tsig]

Ok so you are asserting that growing up in a fanatical Christian home causes mental issues.... right?

So my question to you now is.... what mental damage results from growing up in a fanatical Christian home followed by attending a seminary university and studying Christianity for a vocation?





And then you go on to say




Do seminary university failed dropouts have a compulsion to go around quack-psychoanalyzing people on internet forums who do not share their kind of "atheism" as angry mentally damaged abused products of fanatical Christian homes?

Ouch!

 

[tsig]

I compare these zealot theists and anti-theists with one group -the theist- trying to have sexual intercourse everywhere: public places, kindergartens, etc, while the opposite group -the antitheist- is trying to have sexual intercourse banned from everywhere including theists' bedrooms. Both are pathologically obsessed with sex. Anyway, sex continues to be more part of human nature than its absence. A healthy approach is if it pleases you have sex and if it pleases you have it not, but in any case don't let a piece of pubic hair have your reason in a leash.

Someone is pathologically obsessed with sex. Is it because you were brought up in a fanatically repressed family?

 

[tsig]

Rule of So!

excellent!

So you've found another way to dodge a question?