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Corbyn did win, what's next?

uk_dave said:
Would you rather the political parties express the more extreme left and right wing views and leave moderation in the gutter?
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An alternative is what I said,
a lot of those snp votes used to be labour before they became indistinguishable from the tories. Maybe labour, by not trying to emulate the tories can get those votes back again, plus others.
I haven't addressed the rest of your post, sorry im tired and going to bed, i'l look tomorrow.

One more thing, I was ok with the previous labour government, im not anti blair/brown or anything, it just became too similar, that's what I'm sick of.

If your only choice is to vote for two similar parties, then that's no choice at all.
 
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The Atheist said:
I don't think Corbyn's a suit-wearing guy.

As to changing politics, he already has.
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Hmm. I don't see that as changing politics, but I'll grant his not being a suit afficionado. People make gestures of all sorts in politics. This was his.
Britain's new Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, refused to sing the national anthem at a memorial service to remember the heroes of the Battle of Britain. Mr Corbyn, a committed pacifist and republican, stood silently as the congregation at St Paul's Cathedral sang God Save the Queen on the aerial conflict's 75th anniversary.
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Deliberate attempt to stir up controversy and buzz.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Hmm. I don't see that as changing politics, but I'll grant his not being a suit afficionado. People make gestures of all sorts in politics. This was his.
Deliberate attempt to stir up controversy and buzz.
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It's likely that he's never sung the national anthem at events like this but that nobody had noticed before.
 
PMQs today, let's see how the lad does. :)

A stumbling performance would be bad for Mr Corbyn. But he could probably get away with it. What would be worse - far worse - is laughter. Sir Menzies, now Lord, Campbell, a seasoned front bench performer, never really recovered from becoming the butt of a joke the first time he asked Tony Blair a question as Liberal Democrat leader. "It was a real bear garden," Lord Campbell told The Daily Telegraph. "They smell blood in the House of Commons so if you make a mistake or two they're trying to get you."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34256192
 
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Cameron will have to be a bit careful, he's been told off a few times by the speaker for forgetting that PMQs are for the Prime Minister to answer questions, not the opposition.....

....but with a bit of imagination he can get a few jibes in on Corbyn's weak spots, the weakest IMO being the shadow chancellor.
 
cullennz said:
Pushing it to say he has changed politics. He may not even make the election
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Some Labour MPs and Labour-supporting commentators were pretty much talking openly about a putsch against him as though the will of their members was of no concern to them, but the margin of victory makes that far more difficult.

Although this result is still seen as a long shot, MPs said in the event of a Corbyn victory they would immediately start gathering the 47 names needed to trigger a coup. One said: “We cannot just allow our party, a credible party of government, to be hijacked in this summer of madness. There would be no problem in getting names. We could do this before Christmas.”

Another Labour MP said a Corbyn victory would cause deep unhappiness among the current shadow cabinet, and suggested that few would want to serve under him.
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Of course, that was also when his victory was a "long shot".
 
I'm looking forward to his first performance at the dispatch box during Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) today. I was impressed with the tone (and to a degree the content) of his speech to the Trades Union Congress yesterday but that was essentially a "home" fixture.

Early in the leadership contest, I said that Jeremy Corbyn would be a liability in Parliament because he, his lifestyle and his policies and beliefs provide an enormous amount of ammunition for David Cameron to avoid answering questions using PMQs and instead do what he did with Ed Miliband, just mock the leader of the opposition. I hope I am wrong, we need a good leader of the opposition to hold the PM's feet to the fire in PMQs.
 
With very few exceptions, every front page is leading with his refusal to sing the national anthem of the country he seeks to lead.

It's stupid stuff like that which will be his achilles heel.

Michael Foot and his 'donkey jacket' (which wasn't) at the Cenotaph comes to mind
 
angrysoba said:
It's likely that he's never sung the national anthem at events like this but that nobody had noticed before.
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We don't have a "national" anthem. What we have is a tuneless monarchist dirge, with religious overtones that are meaningless to most people in the country. We need a new one.
 
uk_dave said:
With very few exceptions, every front page is leading with his refusal to sing the national anthem of the country he seeks to lead.

It's stupid stuff like that which will be his achilles heel.

Michael Foot and his 'donkey jacket' (which wasn't) at the Cenotaph comes to mind
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He is stupid. He alienated half his constituents.
 
Antony said:
We don't have a "national" anthem. What we have is a tuneless monarchist dirge, with religious overtones that are meaningless to most people in the country. We need a new one.
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As true as I may think this is, it doesn't stop the tabloids running with this.

If he sticks to his guns, he's a dangerous Marxist (for some reason author Frederick Forsyth was asked his opinion - as if he is some kind of expert - and stated that Jeremy Corbyn is a Marxist).

If he backs down and sings the anthem then he will be criticised as a hypocrite.

If he suggests that the anthem could be updated then he's a dangerous anti-monarchist with no appreciation for the glorious history of this great country.


That's the problem with having a principled man in a position like this, trivial stuff like this will end up being the focus of debate instead of the government being taken to account.
 
The Don said:
................If he sticks to his guns, he's a dangerous Marxist (for some reason author Frederick Forsyth was asked his opinion - as if he is some kind of expert - and stated that Jeremy Corbyn is a Marxist)......
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Most people are Marxists to Freddy Forsyth.

As to Corbyn not singing the anthem..........he's just gone up a notch or two in my estimation.
 
Some politicians, mostly Labour ones it seems, are saying it shows disrespect to the fallen servicemen and women by not singing the national anthem. Why?

It's also ironic that his critics in his own shadow cabinet are accusing him of being disloyal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...89/jeremy-corbyn-david-cameron-pmqs-live.html

I expect the next time this comes round is when or if he refuses to wear a red poppy. That will be far harder to sell to people, though.

I completely disagree with his shadow minister for equalities or whatever saying he should just put his views aside. That may be what politicians are supposed to do, but his refusal to simply discard his views to pander to the electorate is in fact what appeals to a lot of people. I wonder however of her own commitment to her own values on, say, equality would be just as flexible. "Yeah, shut up about all this equality stuff, will ya love, and go make the boys in the cabinet a cup of tea."
 
The Don said:
I'm looking forward to his first performance at the dispatch box during Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) today. I was impressed with the tone (and to a degree the content) of his speech to the Trades Union Congress yesterday but that was essentially a "home" fixture.
Early in the leadership contest, I said that Jeremy Corbyn would be a liability in Parliament because he, his lifestyle and his policies and beliefs provide an enormous amount of ammunition for David Cameron to avoid answering questions using PMQs and instead do what he did with Ed Miliband, just mock the leader of the opposition. I hope I am wrong, we need a good leader of the opposition to hold the PM's feet to the fire in PMQs.
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Me too. He simply spoke like a human being sharing his understandings and his determinations. It was immensely refreshing. And everything he said was sound.

Also, he is saying he wants the party to work out policies, so a truly democratic and thrashed out set of policies will be in place well before the election. He said himself that he does not want to be a dictator handing down policies from on high, so any quirks in his personal details should be subsumed into the collective deliberations and ironed out. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to set in motion this revolution in the way Labour operates, and then steps aside to allow someone who actually wants to be PM take over the leadership before the election!

Anyway, all this hypercritical attention to his non singing principle, which is simply his life-long practice, is nothing short of Tory propaganda machine, showing who owns the press.
 
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