Iraq War a Mistake

[12AX7]

Graham has the courage to say what no one else will say.

“This is a war we’re fighting, it is not a counterterrorism operation! This is not Somalia; this is not Yemen; this is a turning point in the war on terror. Our strategy will fail yet again. This president needs to rise to the occasion before we all get killed back here at home.”

It's true. ISIS is preparing an invasionary force as we speak. There are thousands of ships and military aircraft capable of breaking through Americas defenses just waiting for the order to come to America and kill us all.

You may call Graham a demagogue. I call him a patriot and I call you a traitor. If you love your country then for the love of the god that gave us this great nation (and the means to deplete the native population) support the bombing of Iran, the invasion of Syria and Iraq, deregulation of banks and wall street and the elimination of Iodine from salt, otherwise we all die.

The libs are not getting this, let me spell it out D - I - E, "die", you know, like death. Painful torture and then death. Is that really what you want?

They're still not getting it.

satire

Don't forget Lindsey Graham & The Congressional Hostages

 

[Belz...]

It is called reminding people that Hillary Clinton voted in favor if the Iraq War Resolution.

Assuming that we concede this, so what ?

You really think that my premise in reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq was that she was the "only" one who voted for the war in Iraq?

protip: It is not, and hell it is not even all that subtle.

That's right. You said she was the only candidate who voted for the war.

Bush had a strategy, it was the people love us and democracy and peace breaks out. That was what they thought was going to happen.

It's as realistic as corporate profits trickling down on the poor.

 

[RandFan]

It's as realistic as corporate profits trickling down on the poor.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Neither did the people who ended up dead, but it seems to make a big deal to you, so solid jackson.

Right so Clinton went to war with Iraq. That makes GWs Iraq war 3.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

• The Tomahawk missiles didn't kill Americans.
• The invasion did.
• The Tomahawk missiles in question didn't kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's.
• The invasion and subsequent war did.

See the difference?

See no evil read no evil.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Getting the Dixie Chicks to go the hell away, period, was one of the few good outcomes of the Iraq War.

I take it they're not your favorite!

Still, I respect Natalie Maines for "standing her ground" and putting this out there - quite the "f-you" song:

http://youtu.be/M-ounk0FNdY

 

[Corsair 115]

Leaving aside for the moment the nature of the U.S. entry into war with Iraq, let's also remember the uniformly awful way the administration handled the post-Saddam period. Incompetence abounded, and the blame for that rests squarely on the Bush administration for failing to put competent people in charge and having sensible policies. There have been several books written on the fiasco that was the post-Saddam period.

One example of a decision that was poor in hindsight—and there were those at the time who saw it as a poor decision—was to disband the Iraqi army. The insurgency began very shortly afterwards.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Leaving aside for the moment the nature of the U.S. entry into war with Iraq, let's also remember the uniformly awful way the administration handled the post-Saddam period. Incompetence abounded, and the blame for that rests squarely on the Bush administration for failing to put competent people in charge and having sensible policies. There have been several books written on the fiasco that was the post-Saddam period.

Let's say that we can stipulate that.

Did any of this change for the better on Jan. 20, 2009?

I ask that as a serious question. At this point there seems to be plenty of blame to go around not only as to how the war was waged initially, but how it was continued under "new management".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Let's say that we can stipulate that.

Did any of this change for the better on Jan. 20, 2009?

I ask that as a serious question. At this point there seems to be plenty of blame to go around not only as to how the war was waged initially, but how it was continued under "new management".

This presumes the screw-up was actually correctable by that point. I'm doubtful anyone could have fixed it in 2009.

Not that I'm not disappointed in a few of Obama's actions (and happy with many) but it's completely unfair to blame Obama for not immediately fixing the disaster Bush/Cheney created.

 

[Cleon]

Let's say that we can stipulate that.

Did any of this change for the better on Jan. 20, 2009?

Nope.

The reality is that *********** up Iraq has been a thoroughly bipartisan endeavor, going back at least to the 1960s.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Nope.

The reality is that *********** up Iraq has been a thoroughly bipartisan endeavor, going back at least to the 1960s.

You can go back further than that but it doesn't make Bush's war venture any less of a disaster of Biblical proportion.

It's amazing how you guys will think anything other than how screwed up the Bush/Cheney presidency was.

 

[Cleon]

You can go back further than that but it doesn't make Bush's war venture any less of a disaster of Biblical proportion.

I would never think or claim otherwise.

It's amazing how you guys will think anything other than how screwed up the Bush/Cheney presidency was.

Yeah, I'm certainly known for being a big Dubya supporter around these parts.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I would never think or claim otherwise.

Yeah, I'm certainly known for being a big Dubya supporter around these parts.

I lose track. You were posting the, "they're all just as bad," line.

 

[Cleon]

I lose track. You were posting the, "they're all just as bad," line.

Was I? I thought I was making a simple statement of fact.

That you decided to attach extra baggage to it is your mistake, not mine.

 

[Corsair 115]

Let's say that we can stipulate that.

Did any of this change for the better on Jan. 20, 2009?

It might have helped had the Bush administration which initiated the action handled the post-Saddam period better. It did not, and that failing is on it as the initiator of the affair.

 

[Craig B]

I still think the idea of taking down a horrible tyrant was a good one.

That's not what UK citizens were told the idea was. See here, from Tony Blair.

I have never put our justification for action as regime change. We have to act within the terms set out in resolution 1441. That is our legal base.

The resolution is described in wiki

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a United Nations Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on 8 November 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations"

We were lied to.

The execution was terrible and on the whole the world would be better if we hadn't tried to do something I think was good in intention.

As above, removal of Saddam was explicitly stated not to be the purpose of the enterprise.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Not that I'm not disappointed in a few of Obama's actions (and happy with many) but it's completely unfair to blame Obama for not immediately fixing the disaster Bush/Cheney created.

We're probably on about the same page.

I don't blame Obama for not immediately fixing the disaster. But he has "owned" the situation for quite some time.

I did not vote for McCain in 2008 because I could not see us continuing our involvement in the Middle East indefinitely. I also did not vote for Obama, for different reasons. But when he won, I was hopeful for a relatively quick extrication from the morass we were in.

Let's just say I'm disappointed in the pace of our withdrawal.

 

[RandFan]

How to manufacture and sell lies.

This is why Cheney is not only evil but damn dangerous.

• Leak lies to Judith Miller.
• Wait for Judith Miller to publish the lies.
• Go on meet the press and use Judith Miller's published lies without divulging that you are the source.

That takes some balls and contempt for the American people.

 

[Belz...]

Yeah, I'm certainly known for being a big Dubya supporter around these parts.

If you're not with us...








...only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

[Kestrel]

This is why Cheney is not only evil but damn dangerous.

• Leak lies to Judith Miller.
• Wait for Judith Miller to publish the lies.
• Go on meet the press and use Judith Miller's published lies without divulging that you are the source.

That takes some balls and contempt for the American people.

There was also the claim that Iraq trying to purchase uranium ore from Niger and Cheney's outing of Valerie Plame Wilson after her husband Joe Wilson wrote an editorial pointing out why the claim was false.