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Iraq War a Mistake

ponderingturtle said:
Bush had a strategy, it was the people love us and democracy and peace breaks out. That was what they thought was going to happen.
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They were pretty good at lying about the likelihood of success.

Rumsfeld, 2/7/03: “It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”


Cheney, 3/16/03: “I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . (in) weeks rather than months“

A war that lasted 10 years. TEN YEARS.

13 years later and there is no indication that the destabilized region is going to let us get on with our lives anytime soon.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are obfuscating and duplicitous war criminals.
 
16.5 said:
My premise being that I was reminding everyone that Hillary voted for the Iraq War is fatuous?
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Your premise that she was the only one to vote for the war. That is as fatuous as saying that the founders didn't have proper photo ID for voting purposes.

Both are irrelevant and absurd premises.
 
16.5 said:
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That intelligence included, but was not limited to the Operation Desert Fox intelligence (among other evidence/intelligence that predated the Bush administration)

So SG's claim that "the intel was a product of Bush/Cheney et al." is obviously false.

Which was my point, and one that you missed while angrily intervening in the middle of the discussion without taking the time to understand the issues.
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You do know how this logical argument goes, right?

Bush/Cheney trumped up bogus evidence to garner support for invading Iraq.

Without the trumped up evidence there was not enough evidence to convince the public to support a decision to invade Iraq.

If there had been enough evidence, why would they have needed to fabricate more?
 
16.5 said:
Yet he bombed Iraq and signed the regime change act, two FACTS that Bush and the Congress relied upon in approving the attack.

Curious.....
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Curious indeed, that you don't know the difference between sending in a round of Tomahawks and invading a country.
 
RandFan said:
Your premise that she was the only one to vote for the war. That is as fatuous as saying that the founders didn't have proper photo ID for voting purposes.

Both are irrelevant and absurd premises.
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You really think that my premise in reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq was that she was the "only" one who voted for the war in Iraq?

protip: It is not, and hell it is not even all that subtle.

my premise in reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq was reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq.

See how that works?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Bush/Cheney trumped up bogus evidence to garner support for invading Iraq.
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It is demonstrable that Bush lied and now now 16.5 is using the fact the Clinton intel to justify the lies of Bush.

What's odd is thinking anyone would buy it.
 
16.5 said:
You really think that my premise in reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq was that she was the "only" one who voted for the war in Iraq?

protip: It is not, and hell it is not even all that subtle.

my premise in reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq was reminding people that she voted for the war in Iraq.

See how that works?
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Pointing out that other people DIDN'T vote for the war is fatuous. It's a dodge. It's an obfuscation. It's dishonest and misleading.

See how that works?
 
RandFan said:
Pointing out that other people DIDN'T vote for the war is fatuous. It's a dodge. It's an obfuscation. It's dishonest and misleading.

See how that works?
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Or, you know, it is reminding everyone that Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq.

See what I just did there?

:D
 
16.5 said:
Neither did the people who ended up dead, but it seems to make a big deal to you, so solid jackson.
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  • The Tomahawk missiles didn't kill Americans.
  • The invasion did.
  • The Tomahawk missiles in question didn't kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's.
  • The invasion and subsequent war did.
See the difference?
 
Crossbow said:
I read a 'Washington Post' article a few days ago that said 17 of the 20 top Jeb Bush advisors either worked for his brother and/or his father.

The apple does not fall too far from the tree, even though Jeb Bush proclaimed that "I will be my own man".
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great idea!!! Then he can **** himself!!!!!!!
 
16.5 tu quoque much?

Hillary voted for the war. And....?

What's the point? So what if she voted for the war? Dose that mean she bought the manufactured lies of Bush? Yeah. So did I. That doesn't justify the lies of Bush. It's a tu quoque argument.
 
RandFan said:
By lying.

:D:sdl: :deadhorse
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Now that is not fair, when I first wrote that Graham had not declared that he is running.

So now there are two candidates who voted for the war in Iraq.

Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq and

Lindsey Graham.
 
16.5 said:
Now that is not fair, when I first wrote that Graham had not declared that he is running.

So now there are two candidates who voted for the war in Iraq.

Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq and

Lindsey Graham.
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As long as we can move on. :)
 
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