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Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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You have cleverly made it appear Amanda rang Filomena to report her room ransacked/burgled. The actual timeline is as follows:

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12:34pm Filomena calls Amanda again who tells her that her bedroom is in “chaos!” The window is broken, glass is everywhere and clothing thrown on the floor. Filomena hangs up, calls Marco and asks him to go to the villa since he is closer; now she is in a panic to get home. (2009 Filomena Romanelli testimony) (2009 Amanda Knox testimony) (2009 Massei Motivation) Note that at no point does Amanda call Filomena to tell her about her room. Filomena must call Amanda to find out. According to the dutiful dishwashers, the penny drops that there has – at a minimum – been a burglary in their home. But a further thirteen minutes pass and the happy couple see no reason to report anything. That will change soon, as the Italian police are on their way, in fact they’re already in the immediate vicinity.

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Excerpt DOUBT 2015 Nick van der Leek

There is no evidence the pair were in the slightest bit concerned by the events, as reported by Amanda in her email home and her later court testimony about "menstral blood, ew".



Ahahaha! If this excerpt is indicative of the quality and objectivity of van der Leek's book, I think it's safe to say that any rational observer can confidently disregard it in its entirety.

These pejorative descriptors, in particular, give the game away. This man has an agenda, and that agenda is screaming loud and clear in this excerpt. Next please.......
 
Some have suggested that the police were trying to frame Amanda by getting her to leave fingerprints on the knives in the cottage. But Amanda says in her testimony that they gave her gloves when they went upstairs to look at the knives.
The real question is: Why were they having Amanda look at these knives? The answer to that is they didn't care a damn about the knives, they were looking for how Amanda reacted.

But what possible reaction would have been a sign of Amanda's innocence? If she picked an inappropriate knife the prosecution would present this in court as Amanda being deceptive. If she picked a short knife the prosecution would use this in court as evidence that Amanda had knowledge of the short knife that left a stain on the bed. If Amanda had picked a long knife the prosecution would show the court the similarity between that knife and the one collected at Raffaele's place. If she picks no knife or has a breakdown the prosecution would tell the court that Amanda has guilty knowledge of the crime.

There is no innocent explanation the police could provide for requesting that Amanda look at these knives. They already had statements from Laura and Filomena that these were knives they didn't use. Amanda may not have even seen these knives in the short time she had been staying at the cottage.

Hey Dano, thats a significant point I hadn't heard before. I only reviewed Amanda's account from her book, and don't recall mention of gloves. That would lessen chance of contamination by handling, I would think, hence militate against the strongest interpretation of the incident I have favored. So, good point.

By any chance do you know where in testimony that was discussed?
 
There is an simpler and less sinister explanation for what Napoleoni was trying to accomplish when she asked Amanda what utensil would be good to use to kill someone.

Napoleoni may have asked Amanda which utensil to use in order to observe if Amanda quickly and directly picked out a knife that would be a good match to the one that left the 3.5" deep stab wounds. If Amanda had, for example, reached in and picked up a knife with a 3.5" or 4" blade, rather than a 14" knife or a butter knife or a frosting spreader, Napoleoni would have concluded Amanda reached for the right one because she knew what she was doing. As it was, Amanda had no idea what utensil to reach for, and she did not reach for any.

Amanda did reach into the drawer and push some knives around, then had a break down, according to her book, WTBH.

The blade from Raf's kitchen was way to huge for all but one of 3 or 4 knife wounds, and they simply suggested there was a second knife (although the only would the larger knife was compatible with, would have been compatible with anything sharp, like a shard of glass).

I'm tending to think the incident was more of cops testing the "psychological reaction" if Dano's point that she had been given gloves is true.

Was Giobbi there, he seems to have fancied himself as well trained in psychological observation, from the Clousseau school of detective work.
 
You guys are free to use the word frame however you like, it's none of my business. You can even use all the other definitions of the word frame and apply them to this case if you want to be really confusing like carbonjam.

All I'm saying is, if you go around bandying about phrases like "Amanda and Raff were framed", don't be surprised to get some supplemental incredulous questions, or be accused of being a conspiracy theorist. That is all.

Hey LPA, I was just trying to point out that the use of the word 'frame' is fine in this instance, IMO, but that the more important point is what one actually means, not whether a pre-selected narrowly defined dictionary definition has been met.

I think its different to say a person is the object of framing, "I was framed", then it is to use the objective, "He/She was framed", or "The prosecutor framed him/her". Because a person knows whether they are innocent or guilty, whereas an outside observer can only make an assessment, careful or otherwise.
But if a piece of evidence is put forward, and the person asserting it knows its not true, or misleading in some way, then they certainly know their information is false. And if the assertion is accidentally false, could the person have been framed by no one, but 'framed by false evidence'?
I think the clearer question is what did the police and Mignini think they were doing when they went after Amanda and Raf? What did the lab tech think she was doing? Footprint experts? Witnesses? All of it.

You can say stupidit, or self delusion, or even delirium (as Mignini was accused of in his abuse of office case at the same time). But there seems to be a guiding principle that causes all these false elements to congeal into an accusation and conviction.
'Conspiracy theory' sounds tinged with kookiness, doesn't have to mean that, but that's kind of the baggage the word seems to be carrying at this point.

But a 'theory of conspiracy' sounds like a way to understand specific people acting in concert towards a specific identifiable objective. Surely its not all one way, or all the other.

The use of a particular word, is less important than what is meant to be conveyed by its use, imo. I promise not to reply anymore and further sully your response here.:)
 
"...a little later, she had succeeded in speaking to Amanda, Amanda had told her that in Filomena's room the windowpane was broken, everything was in a mess, and that she should come back home."
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Filomena_Romanelli (pro guilt source, summary of Romanelli testimony)

"Romanelli said that later she again spoke with Knox, who told her to come home because the window in her room had been broken and her room was a mess."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/International/story?id=6826939

This above, in comparison to your claim, as follows:

"she didn't tell Filomena at any time her room had been ransacked or burgled."

Kindly withdraw this claim.

And one final attempt - if you wish to retain any credibility as an honest poster, writing in good faith, correct this and withdraw both of the claims you make.

"Do you have an explanation for Amanda's claim in her email home she was so alarmed on coming home circa 10:30 to find the door swinging open, etc, that she was frantically banging on Mez' door, but later, she assured the postal police it was quite normal for Mez' door to be closed?"

You have cleverly made it appear Amanda rang Filomena to report her room ransacked/burgled. The actual timeline is as follows:

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12:34pm Filomena calls Amanda again who tells her that her bedroom is in “chaos!” The window is broken, glass is everywhere and clothing thrown on the floor. Filomena hangs up, calls Marco and asks him to go to the villa since he is closer; now she is in a panic to get home. (2009 Filomena Romanelli testimony) (2009 Amanda Knox testimony) (2009 Massei Motivation) Note that at no point does Amanda call Filomena to tell her about her room. Filomena must call Amanda to find out. According to the dutiful dishwashers, the penny drops that there has – at a minimum – been a burglary in their home. But a further thirteen minutes pass and the happy couple see no reason to report anything. That will change soon, as the Italian police are on their way, in fact they’re already in the immediate vicinity.

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Excerpt DOUBT 2015 Nick van der Leek

There is no evidence the pair were in the slightest bit concerned by the events, as reported by Amanda in her email home and her later court testimony about "menstral blood, ew".

I haven't made anything appear the way it isn't. I have merely contradicted, with evidence, your false claim that Amanda did not inform Romanelli of the break in. I am right and you are wrong.

The correct response from you should be:

"Yes, I'm sorry. When I said that Amanda didn't tell Romanelli at any time that her room was ransacked, I was mistaken."

Furthermore, you should go on to say:

"When I stated that Amanda in her email home reported that she was so alarmed at finding her flat door open, she immediately started banging frantically on Kercher's door, I was wrong. I realise now that Amanda made no such claims."

All the pro guilt claims about Amanda's alleged suspicious behaviour after her first visit to the cottage completely fail to take account of the fact that if Amanda had wished to disguise any guilty knowledge she had and wanted to protect the crime scene from early discovery, she would not have called anyone or taken any calls. Romanelli hot footed it to the cottage because of the information given to her by Amanda! The pro guilt theory goes on to suggest that even with a legion of people at the cottage, all of whom, with the exception of the postale police were there because they were responding to Amanda's initiatives, she continues to try to delay the discovery of the body! Madness! They are present because of Amanda's efforts, not in spite of them. If she didn't want them there, she could have kept them away.

Furthermore, the idea that following the murder the night before and after returning to Raffaele's flat, she gets up early, goes to the store, buys some bleach, returns to the cottage, successfully and selectively cleans the crime scene of all directly incriminating evidence in about four hours is utter, unverifiable, impossible fantasy.

Yet, it is the positing of the cleaning story that is the give away. It recognises that it would have been impossible to have committed the murder without leaving physical evidence behind. Unfortunately for the guilters, the story does not permit even an attempt at an account of why there is no transfer evidence on Amanda's clothes.
 
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Some have suggested that the police were trying to frame Amanda by getting her to leave fingerprints on the knives in the cottage. But Amanda says in her testimony that they gave her gloves when they went upstairs to look at the knives.

The real question is: Why were they having Amanda look at these knives? The answer to that is they didn't care a damn about the knives, they were looking for how Amanda reacted.

But what possible reaction would have been a sign of Amanda's innocence? If she picked an inappropriate knife the prosecution would present this in court as Amanda being deceptive. If she picked a short knife the prosecution would use this in court as evidence that Amanda had knowledge of the short knife that left a stain on the bed. If Amanda had picked a long knife the prosecution would show the court the similarity between that knife and the one collected at Raffaele's place. If she picks no knife or has a breakdown the prosecution would tell the court that Amanda has guilty knowledge of the crime.

There is no innocent explanation the police could provide for requesting that Amanda look at these knives. They already had statements from Laura and Filomena that these were knives they didn't use. Amanda may not have even seen these knives in the short time she had been staying at the cottage.

Perhaps missing in this perplexing non-debate about framing, is that one thing is clear:

For some strange reason, those with the say-so on the PLE were bound and determined to solve this case quickly using behavioural cues. They felt they had to, they could not wait for the forensics.

Either that, or they were determined to pin this on Kmox, or they saw Knox as the key (holder) to finding the anonymous African man they suspected early on.

Where I am with Numbers is with regard to what can reasonably be surmised about the Nov. 2 - 5 period with regards to either framing or noble cause wrongful suspicion. From this point 7 1/2 years later there is simply no way to peel back the onion and find out, the methods of finding out are way too muddy.
 
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being Nifonged

Can you give an example of a prosecution for character assassination? In US courts people generally can be prosecuted for perjury but such things as defamation are exempt. Anglo please chyme in.
Grinder,

DA Michael Nifong committed misconduct with respect to the Duke lacrosse case, but he did not plant evidence. Briefly, he tried to hide exculpatory evidence, and he publicly disparaged the defendants. The ABA model rules limit what a prosecutor may say about a case, and the consensus view is that Nifong well exceeded those limits. Being "Nifonged" definition here.
 
Grinder,

DA Michael Nifong committed misconduct with respect to the Duke lacrosse case, but he did not plant evidence. Briefly, he tried to hide exculpatory evidence, and he publicly disparaged the defendants. The ABA model rules limit what a prosecutor may say about a case, and the consensus view is that Nifong well exceeded those limits. Being "Nifonged" definition here.

Good one! Maybe there should be a new one added, being Migninitated. Doesn't have the ring that Nifoned has, but still.
 
I think the clearer question is what did the police and Mignini think they were doing when they went after Amanda and Raf? What did the lab tech think she was doing? Footprint experts? Witnesses? All of it.

You can say stupidit, or self delusion, or even delirium (as Mignini was accused of in his abuse of office case at the same time). But there seems to be a guiding principle that causes all these false elements to congeal into an accusation and conviction.
'Conspiracy theory' sounds tinged with kookiness, doesn't have to mean that, but that's kind of the baggage the word seems to be carrying at this point.

But a 'theory of conspiracy' sounds like a way to understand specific people acting in concert towards a specific identifiable objective. Surely its not all one way, or all the other.

The use of a particular word, is less important than what is meant to be conveyed by its use, imo. I promise not to reply anymore and further sully your response here.:)

This thread has been pulled off course by a false debate over strict definitions.

However, your response CJ72 about the meaning and role of "conspiracy theory" here is helpful. It is not helpful to use "conspiracy theory" pejoratively, as if its use signals kookiness.

Whether a frame-up or a noble-cause prosecution - the one thing this whole thing was, was a conspiracy. What that means is that two or more people conspired to achieve an end - in this case the conviction (wrongfully) of two people demonstrably innocent.

I'm old enough to remember the Iran/Contra-gate scandal in the Reagan Administration, where those who early on who were criticizing the White House for trading arms for hostages were called conspiracists; as if they were wild-eyed, tinfoil-hat-wearing nutcases.

One of the mainstream reporters later commented on how the word "conspiracy" had been hijacked around only one of its meanings - the pejorative one. Because in the case of the Iran/Contra-gate scandal, it turned out that there actually WAS a conspiracy - Col. Oliver North, Admiral Poindexter, etc., were conspiring to deliver arms for hostages, while at the same time maintaining deniability in the Oval Office. (It led to further concerns - just who was running American foreign policy, if the Chief Executive could be kept out of such a sensitive loop!)

Just like when someone said that US Presidents are never assassinated as the result of a conspiracy, they need to be reminded that four people were hanged, and one killed in a barn by authorities for the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

Point being - any talk of a framing or of a noble-cause prosecution/investigation is, by definition, a conspiracy. Indeed, conspiracy is perhaps a better word than frame-up or noble cause..... my view is that it is unrecoverable anyway, the motives of those who early on fomented this unjust prosecution.

But like another poster observed upthread - it is refreshing that this is now where the debate is. A year ago - Vixen excepted - the debate was on phantom contact-list entries of drug dealers in mobile phones. Or grainy CCTV images from car-parks.

It's refreshing being in this post-exoneration period....
 
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Amanda did reach into the drawer and push some knives around, then had a break down, according to her book, WTBH.

The blade from Raf's kitchen was way to huge for all but one of 3 or 4 knife wounds, and they simply suggested there was a second knife (although the only would the larger knife was compatible with, would have been compatible with anything sharp, like a shard of glass).

I'm tending to think the incident was more of cops testing the "psychological reaction" if Dano's point that she had been given gloves is true.

Was Giobbi there, he seems to have fancied himself as well trained in psychological observation, from the Clousseau school of detective work.

It's almost as if someone rode into town saying that his new-fangled investigative method - behavioural analysis - was going to salve this, and everyone deferred to him. It was like when lie detectors cam on-line, everything became about lie-detecting.....

And, of course, they triumphed that behavioural analysis did crack the case, even before the hard-forensics had come in.
 
Ok, if this is an excerpt from "Doubt", then who actually is the author of the excerpt? Since the "book" "Doubt" was banned from Amazon for plagiarism within days of being offered for sale, how are we supposed to know who to credit with what?

An unreliable author, citing unreliable sources, and copying everything in sight, to palm it off as his own work? That's your source if information?

I can't take it any more, please stop, you've exceeded the hilarious factor for the month.

You have got to be kidding.

If you have any association with that pair of frauds please just fess up now.

Oh the humanity!

Read it carefully, and you'll see the direct sources are Filomena's, Amanda's and court testimony. What kind of person doesn't notify the police at all in the three hour time frame of supposedly "really banging" on her "friend's" door, nor ring up her housemate to tell her her room is a wreck?

Not someone who cares a darn.
 
Read it carefully, and you'll see the direct sources are Filomena's, Amanda's and court testimony. What kind of person doesn't notify the police at all in the three hour time frame of supposedly "really banging" on her "friend's" door, nor ring up her housemate to tell her her room is a wreck?
Not someone who cares a darn.

Vixen - this is wrong, and demonstrably wrong as Kauffer has repeatedly pointed out to you. It doesn't matter if you "read it carefully". You obviously are not being careful yourself!!

The book "Doubt" has been pulled from Amazon because the author is a plagiarist, and not to be trusted. This has nothing to do, really, with his "opinions" about the case, but that he is a disingenuous author.

You:

1) cannot seem to judge the authors you read for their reliability
2) continue to make claims when shown repeatedly that you are wrong.​

Why do you do this?
 
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Ahahaha! If this excerpt is indicative of the quality and objectivity of van der Leek's book, I think it's safe to say that any rational observer can confidently disregard it in its entirety.

These pejorative descriptors, in particular, give the game away. This man has an agenda, and that agenda is screaming loud and clear in this excerpt. Next please.......

Nonsense. It's a tongue in cheek reference to Raf and Amanda's own professed concern about washing up on the night of the murder, bearing in mind, Amanda didn't have a reputation of being house proud. Raf himself keeps going on about his "fairy tale romance", so why wouldn't a sceptic make ironical noises about these unlikely self descriptions?
 
I haven't made anything appear the way it isn't. I have merely contradicted, with evidence, your false claim that Amanda did not inform Romanelli of the break in. I am right and you are wrong.

The correct response from you should be:

"Yes, I'm sorry. When I said that Amanda didn't tell Romanelli at any time that her room was ransacked, I was mistaken."

Furthermore, you should go on to say:

"When I stated that Amanda in her email home reported that she was so alarmed at finding her flat door open, she immediately started banging frantically on Kercher's door, I was wrong. I realise now that Amanda made no such claims."

All the pro guilt claims about Amanda's alleged suspicious behaviour after her first visit to the cottage completely fail to take account of the fact that if Amanda had wished to disguise any guilty knowledge she had and wanted to protect the crime scene from early discovery, she would not have called anyone or taken any calls. Romanelli hot footed it to the cottage because of the information given to her by Amanda! The pro guilt theory goes on to suggest that even with a legion of people at the cottage, all of whom, with the exception of the postale police were there because they were responding to Amanda's initiatives, she continues to try to delay the discovery of the body! Madness! They are present because of Amanda's efforts, not in spite of them. If she didn't want them there, she could have kept them away.

Furthermore, the idea that following the murder the night before and after returning to Raffaele's flat, she gets up early, goes to the store, buys some bleach, returns to the cottage, successfully and selectively cleans the crime scene of all directly incriminating evidence in about four hours is utter, unverifiable, impossible fantasy.

Yet, it is the positing of the cleaning story that is the give away. It recognises that it would have been impossible to have committed the murder without leaving physical evidence behind. Unfortunately for the guilters, the story does not permit even an attempt at an account of why there is no transfer evidence on Amanda's clothes.

First of all, I am not "pro-guilt". Kindly cease and desist from objectivying me.

Where do you get the idea above Amanda would not have called nor taken calls, if guilty?

As Amanda had been pottering around at the cottage all morning, how would refusing all calls help. How would it ""disguise guilt", when the reverse is true?

The truth is, Amanda rang Filomena 12:07-ish, claiming to be at the cottage, when phone records suggest she was in Raf's vicinity and concealed from Filomena she had already rang Mez when Filomena suggested it.

Filomena had to call Amanda 12:34 to find out what the heck was going on. Amanda and Raf then had to claim they had no idea about Filomena's room until Raf turned up - and he told the police the door was ajar, so a wonder Amanda claims not to have spotted Filomena's upturned room - and the pair's story after that was it wasn't til 12:34 latest, they had spotted it. They did not call the police. Postal police arrived 12:35, or even 12:45, if you are a "wrong time" conspiracist. Raf had topped up his phone credit 12:35 and Amanda had enough to ring the USA 12:57.

Yet Raf did not call the police until 12:47, and to say nothing had been stolen.

Amanda at no time at all called the police.
 
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Vixen - this is wrong, and demonstrably wrong as Kauffer has repeatedly pointed out to you. It doesn't matter if you "read it carefully". You obviously are not being careful yourself!!

The book "Doubt" has been pulled from Amazon because the author is a plagiarist, and not to be trusted. This has nothing to do, really, with his "opinions" about the case, but that he is a disingenuous author.

You:

1) cannot seem to judge the authors you read for their reliability
2) continue to make claims when shown repeatedly that you are wrong.​

Why do you do this?


Nick van der Leek and his co-writer Lisa Wilson (_?) are established authors, with 24 published books, including crime relating to Jodi Arias and Oscar Pistorius.

AFAICS Nick has properly attributed quotes. As you know, court documents and testimony are in the public domain and are not copyrighted.

Truth is, an individual with a known aggressive agenda, complained to Amazon, who of course had to be seen to act.
 
First of all, I am not "pro-guilt". Kindly cease and desist from objectivying me.

Where do you get the idea above Amanda would not have called nor taken calls, if guilty?

As Amanda had been pottering around at the cottage all morning, how would refusing all calls help. How would it ""disguise guilt", when the reverse is true?

The truth is, Amanda rang Filomena 12:07-ish, claiming to be at the cottage, when phone records suggest she was in Raf's vicinity and concealed from Filomena she had already rang Mez when Filomena suggested it.

Filomena had to call Amanda 12:34 to find out what the heck was going on. Amanda and Raf then had to claim they had no idea about Filomena's room until Raf turned up - and he told the police the door was ajar, so a wonder Amanda claims not to have spotted Filomena's upturned room - and the pair's story after that was it wasn't til 12:34 latest, they had spotted it. They did not call the police. Postal police arrived 12:35, or even 12:45, if you are a "wrong time" conspiracist. Raf had topped up his phone credit 12:35 and Amanda had enough to ring the USA 12:57.

Yet Raf did not call the police until 12:47, and to say nothing had been stolen.

Amanda at no time at all called the police.

Those times are wrong. The postal police arrived at 12:17, Amanda called her sister at around 12:22 even though nothing had happened except for the police showing up at her house. Then at 12:38:44 Raffaele called his mother. This was corroborated on CCTV by the distinct Lamborghini polizia cars they use in Italy.
 
Those times are wrong. The postal police arrived at 12:17, Amanda called her sister at around 12:22 even though nothing had happened except for the police showing up at her house. Then at 12:38:44 Raffaele called his mother. This was corroborated on CCTV by the distinct Lamborghini polizia cars they use in Italy.

Inspector Battistelli testified he arrived 12:35. If you are referring to Raf's stepmother, yes, there was an extraordinary plethora of calls between Raf and his dad. Being a native Italian with a sister in the carabinieri, he had no excuse for not calling the police ASAP.
 
First of all, I am not "pro-guilt". Kindly cease and desist from objectivying me.

Where do you get the idea above Amanda would not have called nor taken calls, if guilty?

As Amanda had been pottering around at the cottage all morning, how would refusing all calls help. How would it ""disguise guilt", when the reverse is true?

The truth is, Amanda rang Filomena 12:07-ish, claiming to be at the cottage, when phone records suggest she was in Raf's vicinity and concealed from Filomena she had already rang Mez when Filomena suggested it.

Filomena had to call Amanda 12:34 to find out what the heck was going on. Amanda and Raf then had to claim they had no idea about Filomena's room until Raf turned up - and he told the police the door was ajar, so a wonder Amanda claims not to have spotted Filomena's upturned room - and the pair's story after that was it wasn't til 12:34 latest, they had spotted it. They did not call the police. Postal police arrived 12:35, or even 12:45, if you are a "wrong time" conspiracist. Raf had topped up his phone credit 12:35 and Amanda had enough to ring the USA 12:57.

Yet Raf did not call the police until 12:47, and to say nothing had been stolen.

Amanda at no time at all called the police.

Firstly, we have to establish the facts as we go. You cannot allow yourself to hop about from one unresolved point to another. You must proceed from a factual not interpretable basis and you have not solidified in your mind yet the facts from which any interpretation should be derived.

So, take a moment, please, before we go on, to reflect on the error in the factual basis from which you are trying to manufacture an interpretation.

Your contention that Amanda did not inform Romanelli her room was ransacked is wrong. Your contention that Amanda stated that she was so alarmed by her open front door that she immediately banged frantically on Kercher's, is wrong. Your contention that the postale police discovered the washing machine operating and finishing its cycle, is wrong. Your contention that cell tower evidence is capable of supporting claims to be able accurately to pinpoint Amanda's location in support of a guilt based interpretation and exclude the possibility of her being at another, is wrong.
Your misrepresentation of the facts prevents you from interpreting events fairly.

I would rather you discovered the facts for yourself rather than provide them for you. The evidence is readily accessible to you and there is no excuse for you to ignore it and make up your own version.

Now, if you want to go on and make further claims with regard to the appropriateness of Amanda's actions with regard to the timing of events, then you have to understand the facts with regard to the known timing of these events. This will, or should ensure that you do not employ error on which to base an argument you make.

One of the explicit difficulties you have is understanding the difference between events as recounted from Amanda's first visit to the cottage and her second.

But one thing for you to mull on with regard to your latest post is to appreciate that since there was nobody to witness Amanda's presence at the cottage in the morning, there was no need to acknowledge it. Your interpretation relies on Amanda being involved in subterfuge all the way up to the discovery of the body. Yet, she has raised the alarm, immediately upon leaving the flat after her first visit, saying that something does not feel right to her and she is concerned. Why, if she is guilty, would she do this? How can it help her? Why would she place herself at the cottage? Why would she not just leave, quietly, say nothing to anyone, get in the car and drive to Gubbio?
 
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