Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Grinder]

For Vixen -Rudi interview:

Pros. Mignini: Understood, however has anybody ever called you by this nickname?
Guede: Yes I’ve heard…
Pros. Mignini: So nationality IvorianGuede: Yes

 

[Grinder]

For Vixen -Rudi interview:

Pros. Mignini: Understood, however has anybody ever called you by this nickname?
Guede: Yes I’ve heard…
Pros. Mignini: So nationality IvorianGuede: Yes

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And so you worked there until…
Guede: I started and if I’m not mistaken from 3rd March until the last time which was the end of August
Pros. Mignini: After August what happened?
Guede: Well, in August I left this job and so I looked for another, it’s not as if I’m…
Pros. Mignini: Yes
Guede: Together with this friend who is called Giacomo Benedetti and I looked for work but in the meantime I had jobs like in catering, in a restaurant, in fact I was, I worked two days at the, if I’m not mistaken, the name should be Villa Umbra, I did some work there and then I did others through people I knew in Milan and Ancona

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He reports that his meeting of Amanda was at Le Chic.

He discusses many jobs.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/rudy-guede-deposition-march-2008/

 

[acbytesla]

From RW post-

Rudy Guede had a SIM #.
Here's some info about it, from when he was busted in Milan:

However then in the morning I saw this lady and a child and some men, I explained everything to the lady, how things had happened, and I said to the lady to call the Police. Then the Police came who then seized my cell phone and computer.
Napoleoni: Was the cell phone yours Rudy?
Guede: The cell phone wasn’t mine, it wasn’t mine… in the sense that I hadn’t bought it… Pros. Mignini: Do you remember the number?
Guede: My SIM number yes
Pros. Mignini: The one they seized in Milan
Guede: The SIM was mine but not the cell phone
Napoleoni: Can you tell us the number of the SIM
Guede: 329.1819627 and from that moment I never had a cell phone again
Napoleoni: Sorry Rudy, this SIM card, do you remember when you used it?
Guede: Since a long time… it was actually in my name…

One could say that Rudy is admitting to stealing the phone....wouldn't you say Grinder?
He says the phone wasn't his in the sense that he hadn't bought it. This contradicts his story that he bought it at the train station in Milan.
Freudian slip?...hmmmmm

 

[Grinder]

More from Guede:

The PGP meme was always that Rudi was interested in Amanda but not according to this:

Ok however still speaking of that evening now for the times I wouldn’t be able to be precise however I’d say later and at a certain point we heard a knock at the door and Meredith appeared. So I would start by saying that when we were with Amanda and the guys talking I learned that two Italian girls lived upstairs with two other Italian girls [sic], one of them was Amanda and they live below and so there seeing this girl that entered and from the accent I realized that she was the English girl, when I saw her I mean I turned to this girl that I already knew vaguely from before, and I said “but you don’t seem English at all” and she said to me she had mixed parents. If I’m not mistaken the mother is Indian.
Pros. Mignini: Indian
Guede: And that evening anyway I was struck by this girl and we talked since she was sitting in front of me and for the most part I spoke with her
Pros. Mignini: And what was Amanda doing, what was she doing in that moment?
Guede: Amanda was talking with the others because by then I was …
Pros. Mignini: And like Meredith how was Amanda?
Guede: But there wasn’t any… she was sitting normally and I didn’t notice a any real interest that evening
Pros. Mignini: Oh, did Meredith smoke?
Guede: I have to start by saying that yes it’s true Meredith smoked however she will have had one puff and no more … without thinking, like what happened with me when you’re in the group and you join in… however she wasn’t a smoker

Later he may have expressed interest in Amanda because Meredith was taken.

 

[Desert Fox]

I didn't say anything of the sort. Only a court of law can ascertain guilt or not thereof.

Sometimes, like the Norfolk Four, David Camm, or Ryan Furgeson, the court gets it badly wrong. Why we need to watchdog them.

 

[Grinder]

One could say that Rudy is admitting to stealing the phone....wouldn't you say Grinder?
He says the phone wasn't his in the sense that he hadn't bought it. This contradicts his story that he bought it at the train station in Milan.
Freudian slip?...hmmmmm

Never believed he bought it anywhere. It was fronted to him by the burglar.

It has now been well established he had phone access so that wasn't an impediment to selling various goods. He wouldn't have needed a phone for in person bar contacts to move these low priced items, but he had phone access as shown by many diverse sources.

 

[Samson]

One could say that Rudy is admitting to stealing the phone....wouldn't you say Grinder?
He says the phone wasn't his in the sense that he hadn't bought it. This contradicts his story that he bought it at the train station in Milan.
Freudian slip?...hmmmmm

That is sufficient evidence to prove he did the burglary at the lawyer's office. I bet there are no other rock through window cases anywhere near in time or geographically, and he should have been tracked instantly by a serviceable police system. And yet that idea gets no traction on this thread. Maybe I don't understand how routinely inefficient police databases are.

 

[Bill Williams]

Sometimes, like the Norfolk Four, David Camm, or Ryan Furgeson, the court gets it badly wrong. Why we need to watchdog them.

..... and why threads like this are useful. Esp. one that advertises itself as a skeptics-site where not all opinions are of equal value.

They're not. Really they are not.

 

[Vixen]

One could say that Rudy is admitting to stealing the phone....wouldn't you say Grinder?
He says the phone wasn't his in the sense that he hadn't bought it. This contradicts his story that he bought it at the train station in Milan.
Freudian slip?...hmmmmm

From Micheli:
[74] Another basket-baller, the Lithuanian VYKINTAS RAKAUSKAS, stated knowing Mr GUEDE through having played together in the “Liomatic” team and to knowing that recently – however not having been in phone contact with him for three months, nor seeing him in the last two weeks, despite usually turning up at the Piazza Grimana courts – he was working as gardener with the CAPORALIs. The young man had given him his mobile phone numbers, which were 329/1819627 (the last that had been indicated by Mr MANCINI, on which he had made

 

[acbytesla]

Never believed he bought it anywhere. It was fronted to him by the burglar.

It has now been well established he had phone access so that wasn't an impediment to selling various goods. He wouldn't have needed a phone for in person bar contacts to move these low priced items, but he had phone access as shown by many diverse sources.

What ever..... I still don't buy he was a fence. That is someone who makes his living buy in and selling stolen goods

 

[Vixen]

For Vixen -Rudi interview:

Pros. Mignini: Understood, however has anybody ever called you by this nickname?
Guede: Yes I’ve heard…
Pros. Mignini: So nationality IvorianGuede: Yes

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And so you worked there until…
Guede: I started and if I’m not mistaken from 3rd March until the last time which was the end of August
Pros. Mignini: After August what happened?
Guede: Well, in August I left this job and so I looked for another, it’s not as if I’m…
Pros. Mignini: Yes
Guede: Together with this friend who is called Giacomo Benedetti and I looked for work but in the meantime I had jobs like in catering, in a restaurant, in fact I was, I worked two days at the, if I’m not mistaken, the name should be Villa Umbra, I did some work there and then I did others through people I knew in Milan and Ancona

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He reports that his meeting of Amanda was at Le Chic.

He discusses many jobs.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/rudy-guede-deposition-march-2008/

Rudy obviously has Italian residency, then. I was chatting to a German friend of mine who told me her German relative was married to a lady from the Middle East. She had to jump many hoops to attain German residency, before she could go gallivanting all over Europe.

Not really sure job record is relevant. More relevant IMV was being abandoned by his mother, neglected by his father and passed through 80(?) foster homes. Little wonder Rudy has sociopathic tendencies.

 

[davefoc]

Once I figured out what people were talking about (most of my early googling about Diaz returned hits to Cameron Diaz) many of the preceding posts were very interesting as they dealt with aspects of the case that I was mostly unaware of. Unfortunately they raised questions that seem like they will remain unanswered in public forever.

This is a link to a story that everybody that is participating in this thread is more than familiar with but it helped clear up a few things for me.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/09/30/unmasked-kercher-murder-witnesses-flop-in-court/

So in the end there is the weird involvement of Kokomani without any explanation. It seems like the most likely explanation was that it was a continuation of the Mignini led conspiracy against AK/RS but I certainly don't know enough to form much of an opinion about it.

There is the fire story in Diaz's home that seems likely to be related to Guede, but that also seems unknowable.

And on the subject of how the conspiracy against Knox and Sollecito was carried out: The possibilities range from an every man for himself kind of thing where lots of people are spontaneously making up stuff without any central control to the idea that the whole thing was carefully orchestrated by Mignini. I think it was probably mostly the latter. For the various leaks to remain plausible for as long as possible they needed to be consistent with each other and that points to a single individual in control. In addition, if Mignini had not approved the leaks I think he would have used his power to find and stop the leakers.

And lastly I'm embarrassed to admit after all this time that I didn't understand the reference to Erasmus. I finally came to understand that it was the educational program that Kercher came to Italy under. I think I knew that but had forgotten it.

 

[Planigale]

Rudy obviously has Italian residency, then. I was chatting to a German friend of mine who told me her German relative was married to a lady from the Middle East. She had to jump many hoops to attain German residency, before she could go gallivanting all over Europe.

Not really sure job record is relevant. More relevant IMV was being abandoned by his mother, neglected by his father and passed through 80(?) foster homes. Little wonder Rudy has sociopathic tendencies.

The two highlighted are a non sequitur.

Once you are in the Shengen area you have free travel within the area, because there are no borders. This is true whether you are a tourist, illegal immigrant, asylum seeker, or Italian citizen.


I believe Guede was a Italian resident, but not an Italian citizen. But this is not necessary to allow travel to Germany, because there are no border checks.

 

[Vixen]

The two highlighted are a non sequitur.

Once you are in the Shengen area you have free travel within the area, because there are no borders. This is true whether you are a tourist, illegal immigrant, asylum seeker, or Italian citizen.


I believe Guede was a Italian resident, but not an Italian citizen. But this is not necessary to allow travel to Germany, because there are no border checks.

You do not have any legal right of free movement in the Schengen area if you have no residency rights. If Italians and Germans are obliged by law over 15/18-years old, to hold either a passport or an ID card, are you seriously claiming illegal immigrants turning up on a beach have the Schengen rights?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

 

[Vixen]

Once I figured out what people were talking about (most of my early googling about Diaz returned hits to Cameron Diaz) many of the preceding posts were very interesting as they dealt with aspects of the case that I was mostly unaware of. Unfortunately they raised questions that seem like they will remain unanswered in public forever.

This is a link to a story that everybody that is participating in this thread is more than familiar with but it helped clear up a few things for me.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/09/30/unmasked-kercher-murder-witnesses-flop-in-court/

So in the end there is the weird involvement of Kokomani without any explanation. It seems like the most likely explanation was that it was a continuation of the Mignini led conspiracy against AK/RS but I certainly don't know enough to form much of an opinion about it.

There is the fire story in Diaz's home that seems likely to be related to Guede, but that also seems unknowable.

And on the subject of how the conspiracy against Knox and Sollecito was carried out: The possibilities range from an every man for himself kind of thing where lots of people are spontaneously making up stuff without any central control to the idea that the whole thing was carefully orchestrated by Mignini. I think it was probably mostly the latter. For the various leaks to remain plausible for as long as possible they needed to be consistent with each other and that points to a single individual in control. In addition, if Mignini had not approved the leaks I think he would have used his power to find and stop the leakers.

And lastly I'm embarrassed to admit after all this time that I didn't understand the reference to Erasmus. I finally came to understand that it was the educational program that Kercher came to Italy under. I think I knew that but had forgotten it.

ERASMUS is a prestigious European university students official exchange scheme. Mez was there studying for an accredited module towards her degree.

Amanda was merely enrolled into a two-hours a day language course, without accreditation and not part of any module, which any Tom, Dick or Harry could stroll into. All credit to Amanda having the initiative, but she was not on a par with Mez academically.

 

[Agatha]

This thread has been closed due to length. Please continue your conversation in the 16th iteration: HERE.

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