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Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Grinder said:
Bill the knife had to be brought from Raf's because it WAS the murder weapon because <Dr. Steffi should be given benefit of doubt as a professional and Mez' DNA was found on it and AK's DNA twice.

How does Marasca get away with defamation or since he is musing about a crime calumnia.
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I wish I could say that the knife was the most absurd evidence that the prosecution presented in this case. It's up there, but there is so much to choose from. It's a joke. And even more so when it applies to the charge against Amanda of transporting a weapon.

How does ANYONE beyond a reasonable doubt conclude that Amanda transported this knife from Raffaele'so apartment to and from the cottage? Is there testimony from anyone that Amanda transported this knife or any knife? Even if it was determined to be the murder weapon, (Which it wasn't) how does anyone determined who transported it?

(FYI: There is really no evidence that supports that this was the murder weapon. It had no blood on it, the knife didn't match the wounds on Meredith or the blood stain on her sheet.
 
analemma said:
PUUULEEEESSSSSE
This is the Mach sock puppet.
Mach made the same outrageous accusations.
Get rid of him: His statements are poluting the Forum.
Make him come back and play nice.
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While you might be right, about the best we can do is ignore him/her. As long as Vixen doesn't make personal attacks she is welcome to stay. Vixen's posts are nonsense but of course so is the entire argument for guilt.
 
acbytesla said:
No, it's a wild fantasy not backed up by a shred of evidence.

In contrast to the ironclad case convicting 2 boys in the murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart. In that case, you have clear confessions from both suspects plus a video tape of the two of them discussing their plans to commit the murder as well as the bloody knives, masks and clothes.

Also Adamcik and Draper were a couple of teenage classmates that knew each other for a couple of years. Amanda and Raffaele knew each other a total of 8 days. And instead of watching a horror movie that night they watched the French rom-com Amelie. Not exactly the kind of movie to whip you into a homicidal frenzy
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...so they claim.
 
MichaelB said:
There was a human interaction on Raffaele's computer at his apartment at either 12.18pm or 12.26pm so they'd only just got to the cottage by 12.34pm and immediately called Filomena after discovering the broken window.
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Was it not established the interaction was was an auto one, or "the cat".
 
RWVBWL said:
HUH?!?

We discussed this many years ago...
Here's a reply of mine to a pro-guiltoid,
and a few Innocentisti,
from waaaay back in 2011,
in the 3rd Continuation of this thread,
whilst Amanda + Raff were still in prison for a crime they did not commit:

Hi Rolfe, RoseMontague, and Dan O,
Here is the info that I have:
Page 162 Angel Face, Author: Barbie Nadeau

"As for Amanda and Raf, when they were finally arrested, on November 6, only the slightest unidentifiable trace of narcotics was found through hair samples - not even enough to identify the substance."
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I am highly skeptical of this claim from Nadeau. It is hard for me to imagine a test which could reveal the presence of "narcotics" but not be able to identify the drug taken. Looking at the information here -
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/dms/Documents/Other/hair_testing_faq.pdf

and assuming a similar set of procedures would have been used - I can't see how this could have happened as described.
Perhaps the most likely scenario that I can come up with is that a preliminary screen showed a positive result, the confirmatory test was negative, and Nadeau was either fed bad info or completely mangled the info she received.
 
Antony said:
No, it's defamatory fiction. Your assertions are factoids invented by the prosecution in an attempt to give plausibility to their case, and cover up its complete lack of merit.

Your problem is that the bogus evidence brought by the prosecution disappeared in the Hellmann trial, and when Nencini was given a second go, there was nothing left - as will be made clear by the ISC motivations report currently being prepared. All you have left is defamatory personal attacks.
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The "extensive drug use" of Raf is recorded in Amanda's own fair hand, in her list of sex contacts, implying intravenous use, as of course, needles are a prime source of HIV spread.

It is also a fact - evidence captured in text messages - Amanda contacted Mez persistently re Halloween plans and Mez snubbed her.

Defence? Fair comment, m'Lud.
 
anglolawyer said:
Vixen

In one of your early posts, you said:

Do I have an opinion as to guilt or innocence of Amanda & Raf? I have a healthy scepticism of either position. What formed your view of your position?

It's heartening to see how far your thinking has come along after only a few days posting here.
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My stance is that here we have a highly-stylised murder involving torture of the victim. The person/s responsible are deranged degenerates.

As Raf and Amanda are innocent, then obviously, it was somebody else.
 
Vixen said:
The "extensive drug use" of Raf is recorded in Amanda's own fair hand, in her list of sex contacts, implying intravenous use, as of course, needles are a prime source of HIV spread.
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Umm ... what does this mean, sorry? Is the suggestion here that he was included on a list of "sex contacts" because he was an intravenous drug user? And not because he was a, you know, "sex contact"?
 
RWVBWL said:
So,
about Kokomani,
here's an interesting tidbit from Perugia Shock that is often overlooked,
I believe that it is FS paraphrazin' what Koko stated to The Massei Court,
for he wrote this in a posting on April 2nd, just a few days after Hekuran Kokomani's testimony in The Massei Trial:
"A tow truck comes forward, inside there's a man, a woman and a boy. They ask Hekuran directions for Cesena. He answers What time is it? He doesn't understand their replay. Probably it was This one is crazy, let's go. How rude, so we will never know exactly what time it was.
* * *

From what I recall,
Koko's cell phone pinged in the area of Miss Kercher's flat around 8:30pm on the night she was raped and murdered.

Odd,
I also recall that this was about the same time Rudy Guede said he was at Meredith's, awaiting his date...

Weren't Koko and Rudy friends?

So why is Koko still hanging around the flat when the tow truck driver and the occupants of the broken down car are there at around 11:00pm?

What was Koko doing all this time,
from 8:30 to 11:00pm, on a chilly Nov. night while his bro was on a date?
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He was some kind of drug dealer, who, when he took the stand, appeared to be deliberately obtuse, using his lack of English to self sabotage his own testimony.

Some kind of organised crime here frightened him off.
 
Grinder said:
Dear me, we should keep in mind that there was no way to know Mez was dead behind the door from the open door etc. Now if they knew it would be more likely they would have called first thing.
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Que? The front door was swinging open, there was blood on the bathmat, ew, Mez' door was locked, but when looking through the keyhole, there was no key in the lock from within, and, after banging frantically on the door and inching along the ledge (or so Amanda claims) there is no forewarning?

Even though no reply on Mez' two phones? Even though she only ever slept in her own bed? Amanda was alarmed enough to ring her mum, Edda.
 
anglolawyer said:
Oh please. The point (so I thought) was to compare and contrast the information-processing ability of the court on one hand and a discussion forum on the other. The latter has certain advantages which, in this case, resulted in a vastly more accurate approximation than the wildly incorrect one the Italian judiciary have wrestled with for over 7 years.

I suggest you read the code of conduct for crown prosecutors, which you will find here. Check out the general principles (section 2). The CPS follows pretty much the same code as the barristers.
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OK, thanks. However, CPS do give great weight to police opinion.
 
Antony said:
"Sceptical" of the defendants' innocence, but not sceptical of all the defamatory gossip that you are now repeating.


There is such a thing as "presumption of innocence", Vixen. Your "personal theories" are based on discredited speculation, not "facts".


I predict they will, in your words about the previous ISC's ruling on Hellmann, "shred" the Nencini verdict. Except this time it will be based on real law and not on partisanship. They will, at the very least, state that Nencini's rulings of fact have no evidential basis, so that a guilty verdict was not possible or legal.

Further, I think that their ruling will mirror the Hellmann verdict very closely, and will be seen in effect as a reinstatement - even if technically that is not open to them.
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The ISC ruling will be very abstract and very short IMV.
 
Antony said:
The evidence at the Nencini trial was that the knife was not the murder weapon. (*) Without it being the murder weapon, there is no longer any indication that it was ever transported. These charges are now annulled, and since you accept that the defendants are innocent, then you must accept that they also did not transport the knife.

(*) The fact that Nencini went against the evidence to declare it the murder weapon, and even invented Raff's DNA on it, I predict will be in the coming motivations report as one of the reasons for the annulment.
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That was obviously a typo.
 
Bill Williams said:
I believe Vixen was trying to argue that "probable cause" equals "judicial fact".

Either that, or he is taking the view of many, that just because someone is charged with a crime (in this case, transporting the knife), the authorities must have at least been justified in suspecting them - even if those suspicions were unreasonable or part of a larger fantasy. Were the authorities justified in assuming a "sex game"? A crime based on one of the three's psychopathology?
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I was not extrapolating at all. It is simply a fact it was a charge.
 
Vixen said:
That was obviously a typo.
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When Nencici does it, its a typo. When AK or RS forget a trivial detail, they are liars and therefore guilty.

Your agenda Vixen is rank hypocrisy.

Maybe the March 2015 exoneration was a typo.
 
Vixen said:
Que? The front door was swinging open, there was blood on the bathmat, ew, Mez' door was locked, but when looking through the keyhole, there was no key in the lock from within, and, after banging frantically on the door and inching along the ledge (or so Amanda claims) there is no forewarning?

Even though no reply on Mez' two phones? Even though she only ever slept in her own bed? Amanda was alarmed enough to ring her mum, Edda.
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Can you then explain why even the postal police saw the same thing, and similarly were not alarmed?

I thought not. You keep wanting to make this about Amanda even after she's exonerated.
 
Vixen said:
The "extensive drug use" of Raf is recorded in Amanda's own fair hand, in her list of sex contacts, implying intravenous use, as of course, needles are a prime source of HIV spread.

It is also a fact - evidence captured in text messages - Amanda contacted Mez persistently re Halloween plans and Mez snubbed her.

Defence? Fair comment, m'Lud.
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This is complete fabrication. Machiavelli on this thread was the only one pushing this guilter-fantasy. There simply was not the slightest inclination any of this was true.... outside the guilt-lobby.
 
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