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Global warming discussion III

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That ad hasn't been repurposed, it's a genuine vintage oil ad from the '70s :eek:

"re-purposed" is what you have done, the original ad was referring to the calorie content of the fossil fuel it recovered and delivered each day.
 
you consider the issues mentioned to be "foolishness" and climate alarmist extremism, or merely 'foolishness" of some unspecified derisiveness?

Foolishness because of its groundless climate alarmism.

A double Niño is a certain possibility, but its probability is low and not a sure departure for any prospective analysis. It reminds me discussions here about global temperatures being 4 +/- 1°C in 2100 because certain emission budget is followed throughout the century and certain set of models give that scope of values departing from partial understanding of what is going on.

We even have the problem of a Niño 3.4 index of +0.6 today having a different significance when compared wit the same value and situation in the 80's.

Anyway I bet that we're starting a cycle and we'll be reminded of the power of water vapour as a greenhouse gas. The bet extends for three or four years and ends with records involving loss of ice. But a hunch is just anecdotal, and still a hunch.
 
I wonder if you wanted to do a similar calculation on a similar company today but using, "every day we put out x amount of co2 directly melting this glacier by y amount! Aren't we freakin awesome!", how it would work out. Probably not as much as I think it would.
 
I wonder if you wanted to do a similar calculation on a similar company today but using, "every day we put out x amount of co2 directly melting this glacier by y amount! Aren't we freakin awesome!", how it would work out. Probably not as much as I think it would.
The problem there is that x amount of CO2 causes cumulative melting.

You could try something like "If you burned our CEO's annual salary in dollar bills it would melt this many ice-cubes".
 
I wonder if you wanted to do a similar calculation on a similar company today but using, "every day we put out x amount of co2 directly melting this glacier by y amount! Aren't we freakin awesome!", how it would work out. Probably not as much as I think it would.

The calculation itself would be much more complicated, and the volume of corresponding ice melt substantially less (though significantly more than a day's operations in the early '70s). Last figure I saw indicated major oil companies today churn out about 3x the volume of oil per day than what was produced in the early '70s.
 
Explains a few things...

Research published Sunday concluded that the upper 2,300 feet of the Southern Hemisphere’s oceans may have warmed twice as quickly after 1970 than had previously been thought. Gathering reliable ocean data in the Southern Hemisphere has historically been a challenge, given its remoteness and its relative paucity of commercial shipping, which helps gather ocean data. Argo floats and satellites are now helping to plug Austral ocean data gaps, and improving the accuracy of Northern Hemisphere measurements and estimates.

“The Argo data is really critical,” said Paul Durack, a Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory researcher who led the new study, which was published in Nature Climate Change. “The estimates that we had up until now have been pretty systematically underestimating the likely changes.”

Durack and Lawrence Livermore colleagues worked with a Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist to compare ocean observations with ocean models. They concluded that the upper levels of the planet’s oceans — those of the northern and southern hemispheres combined — had been warming during several decades prior to 2005 at rates that were 24 to 58 percent faster than had previously been realized.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/oceans-getting-hotter-than-anybody-realized-18139
 
Well, it's more of what I called "da structure" -I added a lot of images here one or two years ago-:

From Durack 2014 (black boxes about showing "da structure"):

http://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/Duracketal14NATClimChg_embargoed.jpg

supplementary, same paper:

http://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/1_Durack2014supplementary.jpg

How models are starting to include a deeper understanding of the Southern Ocean (using finer grids) :

19Mby animation showing recent achievements using the GOLD model (physical model basis of ESM2G)

And I repeat what I've said before: ocean level may go down while its heat content increases, and vice-versa.
 


You are kidding I hope , that is like saying a tribe in the rain forest only uses renewable energy

I almost moved to Costa Rica , perfect climate , same every day , lows about 65* highs 80* , dont have to heat or air condition homes , offices or buildings , small country , you dont need a BMW and a 200mph Autobahn to get around , dont need snow clearing equipment yada yada

And not one farging Polar Bear in sight , nor Arctic Terns.
 
You are kidding I hope , that is like saying a tribe in the rain forest only uses renewable energy

I almost moved to Costa Rica , perfect climate , same every day , lows about 65* highs 80* , dont have to heat or air condition homes , offices or buildings , small country , you dont need a BMW and a 200mph Autobahn to get around , dont need snow clearing equipment yada yada

And not one farging Polar Bear in sight , nor Arctic Terns.

I always favored Belize, but I've lived along the shores of the Gulf before and hurricanes and sauna hot humid years (did I mention insects and mold?) are definitely not my thing. Nice place to vacation in the depths of N. Am winter, but from the start of summer through at least the start of autumn I much prefer the NW and PNW in particular. Brazil, particularly southern Brazil, is also a very interesting place.
 
You are kidding I hope , that is like saying a tribe in the rain forest only uses renewable energy

I almost moved to Costa Rica , perfect climate , same every day , lows about 65* highs 80* , dont have to heat or air condition homes , offices or buildings , small country , you dont need a BMW and a 200mph Autobahn to get around , dont need snow clearing equipment yada yada

And not one farging Polar Bear in sight , nor Arctic Terns.

An what do your silly statements suppose to mean? You call "a tribe" a country whose population is about Newfoundland's, Prince Edward Island's, Nova Scotia's, New Brunswick's, Saskatchewan's, Manitoba's and half Alberta's, altogether.

Your temperatures are off for half the country. Architectural design -open galleries, high ceilings and thick brick walls that work as Trombe minimize air conditioning needs but still equipment sales are peaking as quality of life improves and in the last decade two dedicated factories have being built.

The needs you claim for BMWs anywhere is as a stupid statement as they come. Your linking of snow clearing equipment with the electricity matrix is a figment of your imagination.

The only valid comparison is that in Costa Rica you can be stupid and ill-intentioned and yet have a house that is energy efficient, while in Canada you are allowed to have thin walls and big single glazed windows -maybe to take a look to thin polar bears that wandered away inland :biggrin:- and thus consume an obscene volume of fuel. To avoid highways you only have to suppress the need of them, like a Canadian teacher from Ontario I've met in another forum who needed to travel 110 km to her classroom every day because that's the way jobs are assigned there.

I posted that piece of news to show that even a developing country can set meaningful goals to curb greenhouse gas emissions -By 2023, all power stations using fossil fuels will be definitively dismantled-. Today 20% of Costa Rica's electricity comes from wind and geothermal while there are many projects developing solar. Besides, water heating using solar is spreading as well. And Costa Rica has a per capita consumption of electricity that is above most countries in Latin America.

It's a matter of intelligence and common sense. You may see Costa Rica sets an example just by comparing life expectancies: Canada 82.5 years; Costa Rica 79.8 years; United States 78.6; Venezuela 75. And that is achieved with a GDP that is 2.6% of the Canadian GDP, and without foreign aid.

So, Arnold Martin, who tried to BS us with photos of polar bears in Svalbard and are a "place dropper" (7-continent Arnold "almost moved to Costa Rica"), stop trying to interfere with this thread. So far you have tried to throw cooked spaghetti into the works one by one to no avail. That only shows you don't know a cooked spaghetti from a spanner (monkey wrench), and you know shinola about climate, climate change, environmental science and whatever is needed to not become the laughing stock here (though I have to admit Haig is doing better in that department)
 
What you Warmists ignore is that our Variable Star is heading for a Grand Solar Minimum and ALL the Planets are changing ... So is our Earth ... but just a bit slower than the rest of the planets due to the heat sink Oceans but they are giving up their heat as this paper shows HERE


It's the Sun
Solar Wind Loses Power: http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/23sep_solarwind/
Solar Activity Headed for Lowest Low in 4 Centuries: http://www.newscientist.com/article...owest-low-in-four-centuries.html#.VPok8BZ1tV5
Strange Doings on the Sun: http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304672404579183940409194498

The Entire Solar System is Shifting
Venus Winds: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...ss/The_fast_winds_of_Venus_are_getting_faster
Venus Rotation: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Venus_Express/Could_Venus_be_shifting_gear
Mars Warming: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Jupiter Stripe: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/20may_loststripe/
Red Jr: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/02mar_redjr/
Jupiter Radio Emission: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/now_broadcasting_radio_jupiter-93369
Saturn Superstorm: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/19may_saturnstorm/
Uranus Auroras: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-uranus-auroras-science-space-hubble/
Uranus Storms: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.01309v1.pdf


Try and deal with the FACTS presented here ... if you can :p

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Gish Gallop.
 
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...greenhouse-gas-emissions-20150328-1m9srd.html

Mexico became the first developing nation to formally promise to cut its global-warming pollution, a potential milestone in efforts to reach a worldwide agreement on tackling climate change.

Mexico's greenhouse-gas emissions will peak in 2026 and fall thereafter, Environment Minister Juan Jose Guerra Abud said at a news conference in Mexico City Friday. The nation has pledged to curb the growth of emissions 25 per cent from its current trajectory by 2030.

Negotiators from more than 190 states are trying to craft a deal this year that would, for the first time, wrest promises to fight climate change from both rich nations and the emerging markets where emissions are growing the fastest. Mexico is the first developing nation to submit its plan before a March 31 United Nations deadline that most countries are going to miss.
 
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