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Split Thread Criticisms of 9/11 Commission Report

You're set on repeat, aren't you? Either debunk the video, as you have said you can, or get over it and move on. Simple. But, let's see you rehash your last ten posts again in response to this.

It is debunked, it offers no conclusion. Which claim do you need debunked from a video mocking BS, and presenting evidence for the "official" story.

Which claim do you support? You are projecting, as you keep repeating the fact you can't pick anything from the video. How can I debunk something you can't pick to be debunked? As you project your repeating on me.

Pick something?

You failed to explain why you used Kennedy's quote, out of context.


Which part of the video can't you debunk? What is wrong, can't you answer questions in your quest for learning?
 
It is debunked, it offers no conclusion. Which claim do you need debunked from a video mocking BS, and presenting evidence for the "official" story.

Which claim do you support? You are projecting, as you keep repeating the fact you can't pick anything from the video. How can I debunk something you can't pick to be debunked? As you project your repeating on me.

Pick something?

You failed to explain why you used Kennedy's quote, out of context.


Which part of the video can't you debunk? What is wrong, can't you answer questions in your quest for learning?

I already have. Do the entire video, or admit that you can't. Should I say that in Arabic next time? Perhaps you'll understand then. And you did exactly what I said you'd do: repeat yourself. Now, do it again. Good boy.
 
I already have. Do the entire video, or admit that you can't. Should I say that in Arabic next time? Perhaps you'll understand then. And you did exactly what I said you'd do: repeat yourself. Now, do it again. Good boy.


Jango, dear boy.

I say again: The video is stupid. Mad as a box of frogs.

Why should learned folk waste their time responding to it?
 
Jango, dear boy.

I say again: The video is stupid. Mad as a box of frogs.

Why should learned folk waste their time responding to it?

You're responding. So has nut. It is easy to say that it is stupid. Why not debunk it as yous all have said it has been debunked but where is that debunking at besides "It's stupid"? Nowhere to be found and yous are still too cowardly to do so.
 
No, I have not made that argument.

Actually that's all you have done. You've attempted to buttress this false argument with out of context quote mining, and had it pointed out that they dont say what you hoped they said.

Now when it's been shown you're actually only left with innuendo and speculation...ie No real hard evidence....you're attempting to distance yourself from your own argument.

Very interesting.
 
You're responding. So has nut. It is easy to say that it is stupid. Why not debunk it as yous all have said it has been debunked but where is that debunking at besides "It's stupid"? Nowhere to be found and yous are still too cowardly to do so.

You can't explain Kennedy's quote, you can't pick something out of the parody video to debunk or discuss; what do you do?

Oh, make a weak personal attack, because you fail to pick something from the video. Why can't you explain Kennedy's quote, used out of context, a classic case of quote mining, or pick a claim from the video? Is the video too stupid to pick a claim, or do you have comprehension problems, unable to find substance to discuss?

From the video you can't pick something from, due to some unknown reason.
Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
What does this mean? How does this support the final conclusion made by a mocking video? What was the conclusion?
Because Ignorance is Strength.
The reality of 911 truth. Ignorance is strength. Looks at the Kennedy quote, your ignorance of the meaning, has you using it as your support for some BS. Ignorance about Flight 175 hitting seconds before the smoke moved, is your strength to make up a failed "reason" to doubt the reality of 911.
What value does the video have; why can't you comment on it?
 
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Actually that's all you have done. You've attempted to buttress this false argument with out of context quote mining, and had it pointed out that they dont say what you hoped they said.

Now when it's been shown you're actually only left with innuendo and speculation...ie No real hard evidence....you're attempting to distance yourself from your own argument.

Very interesting.

Again, no.
 
You can't explain Kennedy's quote, you can't pick something out of the parody video to debunk or discuss; what do you do?

Oh, make a weak personal attack, because you fail to pick something from the video. Why can't you explain Kennedy's quote, used out of context, a classic case of quote mining, or pick a claim from the video? Is the video too stupid to pick a claim, or do you have comprehension problems, unable to find substance to discuss?

From the video you can't pick something from, due to some unknown reason.
What does this mean? How does this support the final conclusion made by a mocking video? What was the conclusion?
The reality of 911 truth. Ignorance is strength. Looks at the Kennedy quote, your ignorance of the meaning, has you using it as your support for some BS. Ignorance about Flight 175 hitting seconds before the smoke moved, is your strength to make up a failed "reason" to doubt the reality of 911.
What value does the video have; why can't you comment on it?

What is there to explain? What additional context do you need?
 
He's also been confusing 'responding to a video' with 'responding to posts on a forum about a video', but I'm not sure he's aware of the difference...
 
What is there to explain? What additional context do you need?

You have no clue what Kennedy was talking about, as you used that quote to back BS which made no sense.

You can't put the quote in context. Why? Lack of understand of history, failure to understand what Kennedy was saying?

You can't explain how Kennedy's quote supports your post. And as you do in most threads, you never will attempt to explain, or answer questions. God I type fast
 
He's also been confusing 'responding to a video' with 'responding to posts on a forum about a video', but I'm not sure he's aware of the difference...

I fail to see what exactly he is looking for other than an attempt to bait Beachnut. The video requires no debunking since it is nothing more that a repitition of the "Official Story" with an argument of incredulity undertone.

Logical fallacies require no response.
 
1. But yous expect me to do that for yous.

No, I expect you to back up the claims you have made.

The arguments against the video have been made both here and in other threads. Absolutely nothing that refutes them has been presented.

2. They are hiding stuff. That's why there's such a thing as classified information. Information that is hidden from the public eye.

Wonderful. Now, answer the question: what makes you think that they are hiding something that implicates the government in 9/11?

3. What a stupid question. "I must have complete answers or I won't budge!" :rolleyes:

Yes, that is quite stupid.

So why do you keep demanding it?

4. Then don't say the entire video has been debunked.

I haven't. I have said that there is nothing in the video that is admissible as evidence that anything other than the "official story" took place on 9/11.

This is perfectly true.

5. Oh, you mean like yous? Yous do the very same thing. "I must have irrefutable evidence or I won't even consider it!"

No, actually. We just want any evidence, rather than "the government is hiding things and you can't prove it isn't".
 
I fail to see what exactly he is looking for other than an attempt to bait Beachnut. The video requires no debunking since it is nothing more that a repetition of the "Official Story" with an argument of incredulity undertone.

Logical fallacies require no response.

I was hoping for an explanation of the Kennedy quote, and wonder why he failed to use a better quote, like "Why does Rice play Texas", which is much better for the BS presented; in the post using the Kennedy quote mine.

Jango runs around the Internet, finds BS to support BS, and fails to stop and explain.

Jango fails to present a claim from the video; a video which implies a bunch of BS based on nonsense quote mined and cherry picked from 911 truth webs sites run by nuts. A classic DRG method, quote what other people say, as your evidence; quotes and BS are evidence for 911 truth; and Jango can't take the time to pick why he implies support for the "stupid" video.

I don't mind, it is his failure; as I contemplate how to remount two 4TB drives displaced by my new video card due to excessive length; after the card failed to fit in a legacy MB where the SATA ports were verticle, now I see why the new MB SATA ports are horizontal.

Will he explain the JFK quote, and why it is better or worse than using the moon speech; will he know why it failed?
 
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It is, isn't it :)




Why not debunk the dishevelled man with the wine bottle shouting at traffic?

Think about it ;)

From the video:

1. 19 men with boxcutters (and other weapons according to various reports) hijacked four planes. Status: True.

2. OBL was on dialysis. Status: Appears to be True (according to various reports).

3. OBL lived in a cave fortress. Status: Not True. Though he did do interviews and some hiding in caves pre and post 9/11.

4. U.S. Airspace is the most heavily defended airspace in the world. Status: True to an extent. U.S. Airspace is heavily defended but is not impervious to penetration or mistakes.

5. Hijackers overpowered the passengers and combat trained pilots. Status: True.

6. Hijacked planes were flown wildly off course for a long period of time. Status: True.

7. Hijacked aircraft weren't intercepted. Status: True.

8. The hijackers who have been described as Islamic fundamentalists drank, did drugs and associated with strippers. Status: True.

9. Three buildings were knocked down in NYC because of two planes. Status: True.

10. Hani Hanjour's alleged exploits piloting the aircraft that hit the Pentagon while being a terrible pilot. Status: True. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

11. Plane that hit the Pentagon took out the Budget Analyst offices. Status: True.

12. Unaccounted for $2.3 trillion dollars mentioned by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001. Status: True.

13. Media/Pundits/Government knew who did it within minutes/hours/day. Status: True.

14. Evidence (passport) fell into the F.B.I.'s lap . Status: True.

15. 9/11 Commission was Delayed/Underfunded/Set Up To Fail/Conflict Of Interest/Cover-Up. Status: True.

16. Testimony the 9/11 Commission used was attained through torture. Status: True.

17. C.I.A. destroyed the torture tapes. Status: True.

18. 9/11 Commission omitted various important details in its report -- Able Danger, WTC 7, P-Tech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL/C.I.A. & the war game exercises that happened on 9/11 which mirrored the attacks themselves. Status: True to an Extent. Able Danger was not mentioned. Sibel Edmonds was mentioned twice in the footnotes. P-Tech was not mentioned nor were the war games or OBL/C.I.A..

19. 9/11 Commission was lied to by the Pentagon, the C.I.A. & the Bush administration. Status: True.

20. President Bush and Vice President Cheney's testimony to the 9/11 Commission was given in secret/off the record/not under oath/behind closed doors. Status: True.

21. 9/11 Commission determined that the funding of the hijackers was of Little Practical Significance. Status: True.

22. 9/11 Commission didn't answer the victim's family members' questions. Status: True.

23. No one was fired as a result of 9/11. Status: True.

24. 9/11 Commission said the biggest failure was one of imagination. Status: True.

25. President Bush lied about his government and President Clinton's not knowing about planes being used as weapons. Status: True.

26. D.I.A. destroyed data about Able Danger. Status: True.

27. SEC destroyed data about insider trading. Status: True.

28. NIST has classified the data that they used. Status: True.

29. F.B.I. insists on secrecy in regards to its investigation into 9/11. Status: True.

30. Listening to whistleblowers = being crazy. Status: Not True, but is True at this forum.

31. OBL hid from and escaped the U.S. many times. Status: True.

32. OBL's appearance changes in videos. Status: True.

33. Navy SEALS raided the compound OBL was found in and killed him. Status: True.

34. OBL was dumped into the ocean. Status: True.

35. Many of the Navy SEALS who were involved in the OBL raid were tragically killed in Afghanistan. Status: True.

36. The media & government has lied to the American people many times before. Status: True.

37. If a person questions 9/11, they are insulted/ridiculed/called insane/etc. Status: True to an Extent, but is certainly True here at this forum.
 
No, I expect you to back up the claims you have made.

The arguments against the video have been made both here and in other threads. Absolutely nothing that refutes them has been presented.



Wonderful. Now, answer the question: what makes you think that they are hiding something that implicates the government in 9/11?



Yes, that is quite stupid.

So why do you keep demanding it?



I haven't. I have said that there is nothing in the video that is admissible as evidence that anything other than the "official story" took place on 9/11.

This is perfectly true.



No, actually. We just want any evidence, rather than "the government is hiding things and you can't prove it isn't".

Which has been provided time-and-time again for years now by many different people. It is hand-waved away, called debunker terms like Gish Gallop, ignored, not responded to, etc etc. Yous ignore the fact that the story of 9/11 is not airtight, that there are gaping holes and that there's reason to question the government and the claims it has made. To yous, there's nothing to see here. Yous claim to be smart & logical folks, but act like *********** morons whenever any sort of information is presented that paints the government's version of 9/11 in poor light. Hmm... I wonder why that could be?
 
From the video:

1. 19 men with boxcutters (and other weapons according to various reports) hijacked four planes. Status: True. ...
That is not from the video; thus is the video false? Is your statement more true; or are you going to add some extra BS to the "other weapons". The video only said this-
On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters
Are you adding stuff? For what reason?

You got the quote wrong, and added "other weapons". What other weapons besides small knives? Why did the video leave out the truth, the whole truth.
What does this short statement which you added to, have to do with 911 truth claims, and the overall mocking conclusion -
Because Ignorance is Strength.
What was the purpose of the video? The video failed to explain the hijacking was ruse to gain time to crash the planes. Why is the video stupid, why did you add stuff to the "boxcutter claim". What does it mean?
You debunked the video; is the video stupid, by leaving out, "other weapons".

It is true.
Because Ignorance is Strength.
For 911 truth great ignorance is the strength of their delusions. For 911 truth claims, the video rings true. Like your smoke movement you can't figure out; or the JFK quote.
 
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From the video:


8. The hijackers who have been described as Islamic fundamentalists drank, did drugs and associated with strippers. Status: True.

Is this true?


10. Hani Hanjour's alleged exploits piloting the aircraft that hit the Pentagon while being a terrible pilot. Status: True. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

False

"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said [Flight Instructor Marcel] Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said"


14. Evidence (passport) fell into the F.B.I.'s lap . Status: True.

False. Found by civilian and given to NYPD officer.

15. 9/11 Commission was Delayed/Underfunded/Set Up To Fail/Conflict Of Interest/Cover-Up. Status: True.

And still completed its objective to the satisfaction and support of the Commissioners.

16. Testimony the 9/11 Commission used was attained through torture. Status: True.

False. Some was. Unless you think government heads and military officers were dragged there and tortured.



18. 9/11 Commission omitted various important details in its report -- Able Danger, WTC 7, P-Tech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL/C.I.A. & the war game exercises that happened on 9/11 which mirrored the attacks themselves. Status: True to an Extent. Able Danger was not mentioned. Sibel Edmonds was mentioned twice in the footnotes. P-Tech was not mentioned nor were the war games or OBL/C.I.A..

False. The 9/11 Commission did not include irrelevant material.



30. Listening to whistleblowers = being crazy. Status: Not True, but is True at this forum.

False. If anyone with actual evidence to present they would certainly be listened to.


35. Many of the Navy SEALS who were involved in the OBL raid were tragically killed in Afghanistan. Status: True.

I don't believe this to be true considering there was a recent interview with a soldier claiming to be the man who shot OBL.


37. If a person questions 9/11, they are insulted/ridiculed/called insane/etc. Status: True to an Extent, but is certainly True here at this forum.

False. A person who questions 9/11 without due backing evidence is open to ridicule.
 
I was hoping for an explanation of the Kennedy quote, and wonder why he failed to use a better quote, like "Why does Rice play Texas", which is much better for the BS presented; in the post using the Kennedy quote mine.

Jango runs around the Internet, finds BS to support BS, and fails to stop and explain.

Jango fails to present a claim from the video; a video which implies a bunch of BS based on nonsense quote mined and cherry picked from 911 truth webs sites run by nuts. A classic DRG method, quote what other people say, as your evidence; quotes and BS are evidence for 911 truth; and Jango can't take the time to pick why he implies support for the "stupid" video.

I don't mind, it is his failure; as I contemplate how to remount two 4TB drives displaced by my new video card due to excessive length; after the card failed to fit in a legacy MB where the SATA ports were verticle, now I see why the new MB SATA ports are horizontal.

Will he explain the JFK quote, and why it is better or worse than using the moon speech; will he know why it failed?

No I don't believe an explanation will be forthcoming now that Jango realizes he has stepped into it over the Kennedy quote. A good lesson on reading your own references.

I do, however, await to hear how this:

how to remount two 4TB drives displaced by my new video card due to excessive length

turns out!

:)
 

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