Split Thread Criticisms of 9/11 Commission Report

[cantonear1968]

Which has been provided time-and-time again for years now ....

Really? Like what? Pick just one. For example:

Any steel with explosive or incendiary damage?

 

[Jango]

No I don't believe an explanation will be forthcoming now that Jango realizes he has stepped into it over the Kennedy quote. A good lesson on reading your own references.

I do, however, await to hear how this:



turns out!

In what? A stand alone quote? Pardon me then.

 

[Jango]

Is this true?

False

"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said [Flight Instructor Marcel] Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said"


False. Found by civilian and given to NYPD officer.

And still completed its objective to the satisfaction and support of the Commissioners.

False. Some was. Unless you think government heads and military officers were dragged there and tortured.

False. The 9/11 Commission did not include irrelevant material.

False. If anyone with actual evidence to present they would certainly be listened to.

I don't believe this to be true considering there was a recent interview with a soldier claiming to be the man who shot OBL.

False. A person who questions 9/11 without due backing evidence is open to ridicule.

1. Yes.

2. Although the other trainers said he was terrible. Whom to believe?

3. Not false. And the story has changed about the origins of the passport. Nevertheless, it ended up in the F.B.I.'s custody.

4. False. The Commissioners weren't as unanimous nor as satisfied as you claim.

5. Lol. Semantical argument.

6. Not false. They omitted lots of pertinent facts and information. I wonder why? Perhaps because of the limited scope as asked for by President Bush and was followed by the executive director, Philip Zelikow. No, couldn't be that, could it?

7. Not false. This forum is evidence of that. The overwhelming consensus in this forum is that there is nothing of merit to listen to in regards to questioning 9/11.

8. Lol. There was more than one person involved in the OBL raid.

9. Not false. I've linked to NYT, WaPo and other media outlets, which are summarily dismissed as 'political BS'. Yous have made up your mind and there is nothing that will shake your beliefs, much like a fundamentalist. Yous want a play-by-play, or as yous call it, a coherent alternative theory that is airtight with collaborating evidence. Your expectation of evidence with a political event as large as 9/11 is hilarious.

 

[Childlike Empress]

From the video:

1. 19 men with boxcutters (and other weapons according to various reports) hijacked four planes. Status: True.

2. OBL was on dialysis. Status: Appears to be True (according to various reports).

3. OBL lived in a cave fortress. Status: Not True. Though he did do interviews and some hiding in caves pre and post 9/11.

4. U.S. Airspace is the most heavily defended airspace in the world. Status: True to an extent. U.S. Airspace is heavily defended but is not impervious to penetration or mistakes.

5. Hijackers overpowered the passengers and combat trained pilots. Status: True.

6. Hijacked planes were flown wildly off course for a long period of time. Status: True.

7. Hijacked aircraft weren't intercepted. Status: True.

8. The hijackers who have been described as Islamic fundamentalists drank, did drugs and associated with strippers. Status: True.

9. Three buildings were knocked down in NYC because of two planes. Status: True.

10. Hani Hanjour's alleged exploits piloting the aircraft that hit the Pentagon while being a terrible pilot. Status: True. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

11. Plane that hit the Pentagon took out the Budget Analyst offices. Status: True.

12. Unaccounted for $2.3 trillion dollars mentioned by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001. Status: True.

13. Media/Pundits/Government knew who did it within minutes/hours/day. Status: True.

14. Evidence (passport) fell into the F.B.I.'s lap . Status: True.

15. 9/11 Commission was Delayed/Underfunded/Set Up To Fail/Conflict Of Interest/Cover-Up. Status: True.

16. Testimony the 9/11 Commission used was attained through torture. Status: True.

17. C.I.A. destroyed the torture tapes. Status: True.

18. 9/11 Commission omitted various important details in its report -- Able Danger, WTC 7, P-Tech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL/C.I.A. & the war game exercises that happened on 9/11 which mirrored the attacks themselves. Status: True to an Extent. Able Danger was not mentioned. Sibel Edmonds was mentioned twice in the footnotes. P-Tech was not mentioned nor were the war games or OBL/C.I.A..

19. 9/11 Commission was lied to by the Pentagon, the C.I.A. & the Bush administration. Status: True.

20. President Bush and Vice President Cheney's testimony to the 9/11 Commission was given in secret/off the record/not under oath/behind closed doors. Status: True.

21. 9/11 Commission determined that the funding of the hijackers was of Little Practical Significance. Status: True.

22. 9/11 Commission didn't answer the victim's family members' questions. Status: True.

23. No one was fired as a result of 9/11. Status: True.

24. 9/11 Commission said the biggest failure was one of imagination. Status: True.

25. President Bush lied about his government and President Clinton's not knowing about planes being used as weapons. Status: True.

26. D.I.A. destroyed data about Able Danger. Status: True.

27. SEC destroyed data about insider trading. Status: True.

28. NIST has classified the data that they used. Status: True.

29. F.B.I. insists on secrecy in regards to its investigation into 9/11. Status: True.

30. Listening to whistleblowers = being crazy. Status: Not True, but is True at this forum.

31. OBL hid from and escaped the U.S. many times. Status: True.

32. OBL's appearance changes in videos. Status: True.

33. Navy SEALS raided the compound OBL was found in and killed him. Status: True.

34. OBL was dumped into the ocean. Status: True.

35. Many of the Navy SEALS who were involved in the OBL raid were tragically killed in Afghanistan. Status: True.

36. The media & government has lied to the American people many times before. Status: True.

37. If a person questions 9/11, they are insulted/ridiculed/called insane/etc. Status: True to an Extent, but is certainly True here at this forum.

Nice. As to 3.: The cave fortress pic shown in the video, which I uploaded almost six years ago to this forum to make a similar point, was shown several times on TV, by Rumsfeld and/or Cheney, so it sure has been part of the "OCT" at one point.

 

[Nonpareil]

Which has been provided time-and-time again for years now by many different people. It is hand-waved away, called debunker terms like Gish Gallop, ignored, not responded to, etc etc. Yous ignore the fact that the story of 9/11 is not airtight, that there are gaping holes and that there's reason to question the government and the claims it has made. To yous, there's nothing to see here. Yous claim to be smart & logical folks, but act like *********** morons whenever any sort of information is presented that paints the government's version of 9/11 in poor light. Hmm... I wonder why that could be?

"Gaping holes". Good. Wonderful.

What are these holes, what conclusions do you draw from them, and what evidence supports those conclusions? Because, so far, you're just employing another standard tactic that a dozen other memvers of this forum have: absolutely refusing to say anything of substance.

So long as you fail to actually say anything, no one can actually prove you wrong. This leaves you free to dance about saying things like "of course they're hiding something", "there are gaping holes in the official story", and so on. Meanwhile, no one can answer you because there isn't anything to answer, so you can feign intellectual superiority over those who are trying to get something of actual meaning out of you.

And, like the rest of these posters, this is because the moment you make an actual claim is the moment you get it demolished.

I believe there is a term for this behavior in this subforum: "JAQing off". I have another term for it: "wasting time".

 

[beachnut]

Nice. As to 3.: The cave fortress pic shown in the video, which I uploaded almost six years ago to this forum to make a similar point, was shown several times on TV, by Rumsfeld and/or Cheney, so it sure has been part of the "OCT" at one point.

Nice? What was the point of the video? The video confirms the massive ignorance of 911 truth followers, is their strength in believing the BS claims.

There is no OCT, there is what happened. Do you want photos of where UBL really was? The video is BS, and is an example why for 911 truth Ignorance is Strength.

Does this mean you debunked the video? Are you still a Pentagon flyover believer? Do you realize all the eyewitnesses saw Flight 77 on the official flight path, aka Radar, flight data recorder and the impact damage on the exact course of Flight 77 at impact.

The video has BS, and actually implies a lot of BS from 911 truth nuts.
Most terrible pilots do crash, Hani was so bad, but he failed to miss a 900 foot wide target after not being able be stable on final to a 40 foot runway, which requires an exact course, an exact attitude, and an exact speed; not one of these poor traits are grounds for him not being able to crash into the Pentagon at any course, at any attitude, at any speed. Crashing turns out to be what poor pilots do. The video bringing up Hani's flying skills, is BS to fool those who are gullible.

The video is BS, except the conclusion fits 911 truth.

 

[cantonear1968]

In what? A stand alone quote? Pardon me then.

No. A quote you thought helped your cause without knowing it's context. That's why you don't want to talk about it any longer.

Again, read your references before offering them.

 

[cantonear1968]

1. Yes.

2. Although the other trainers said he was terrible. Whom to believe?

3. Not false. And the story has changed about the origins of the passport. Nevertheless, it ended up in the F.B.I.'s custody.

4. False. The Commissioners weren't as unanimous nor as satisfied as you claim.

5. Lol. Semantical argument.

6. Not false. They omitted lots of pertinent facts and information. I wonder why? Perhaps because of the limited scope as asked for by President Bush and was followed by the executive director, Philip Zelikow. No, couldn't be that, could it?

7. Not false. This forum is evidence of that. The overwhelming consensus in this forum is that there is nothing of merit to listen to in regards to questioning 9/11.

8. Lol. There was more than one person involved in the OBL raid.

9. Not false. I've linked to NYT, WaPo and other media outlets, which are summarily dismissed as 'political BS'. Yous have made up your mind and there is nothing that will shake your beliefs, much like a fundamentalist. Yous want a play-by-play, or as yous call it, a coherent alternative theory that is airtight with collaborating evidence. Your expectation of evidence with a political event as large as 9/11 is hilarious.

1. Ok. So what does this mean? Does this render them incapable of carrying out their mission? Or are you implying they turned out to be the first men who claimed to be deeply religious and weren't?

2. I would say the one who claimed he could hit the Pentagon since the facts deem this true?

3. Where else should evidence have been taken?

4. Then please provide evidence of Commissioners disavowing their support for the 9/11 Report conclusions. Your earlier quote mining didn't work out for you.

5. Not semantics. You are making a false broad statement. Pointing that out is not semantics.

6. "Perhaps"
Your response failed at this juncture.

7. Again, a false generalization. I can provide names of multiple posters who are willing to listen to anything provided as long as it it verifiable. Try Chris Mohr.

8. And do you claim they are all dead besides the shooter? Are you proposing yet another conspiracy theory to support your conspiracy theory?

9. Do not generalize about me. And do not kid yourself into thinking you're offering anything new. If I'm closed minded to anything it's only because I've torn it apart 100 times over.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

I specifically said to Jango that learned folk don't respond to stupid videos, and what does he go and do?

Respond to the stupid video.

 

[Jango]

That is not from the video; thus is the video false? Is your statement more true; or are you going to add some extra BS to the "other weapons". The video only said this-
Are you adding stuff? For what reason?

You got the quote wrong, and added "other weapons". What other weapons besides small knives? Why did the video leave out the truth, the whole truth.
What does this short statement which you added to, have to do with 911 truth claims, and the overall mocking conclusion -

What was the purpose of the video? The video failed to explain the hijacking was ruse to gain time to crash the planes. Why is the video stupid, why did you add stuff to the "boxcutter claim". What does it mean?
You debunked the video; is the video stupid, by leaving out, "other weapons".

It is true. For 911 truth great ignorance is the strength of their delusions. For 911 truth claims, the video rings true. Like your smoke movement you can't figure out; or the JFK quote.

No **** Sherlock. I said as much.

(and other weapons according to various reports)

And you say I can't read

 

[Jango]

I specifically said to Jango that learned folk don't respond to stupid videos, and what does he go and do?

Respond to the stupid video.

You still haven't revealed why the video is 'stupid'. Too many true statements for you to handle?

 

[Jango]

No. A quote you thought helped your cause without knowing it's context. That's why you don't want to talk about it any longer.

Again, read your references before offering them.

Lol. And what so-called context am I allegedly missing? Any answer for that? Something I've repeatedly asked for now. Any answer coming or more of the same ole same ole?

 

[Jango]

Really? Like what? Pick just one. For example:

Any steel with explosive or incendiary damage?

Why did the SEC destroy the data on insider trading? Why did the D.I.A. destroy data on Able Danger? Why did the C.I.A. destroy its torture tapes? Why didn't the security services apprehend the hijackers who were identified prior to the attacks? Why didn't F.B.I. leadership pay attention to the Phoenix memo?

Any answers for those? Nope. Still unanswered for over 13 years now. No matter though, right? They're not important, right? No need to question anything in regards to 9/11. We already have thousands of pages of material on it, so don't pay any attention to all that hasn't been shared, right?

Back to Schultzism/Barbradyism we go. Different username same routine. Now let's move along folks 'cause there's nothing to see here

 

[Jango]

Nice. As to 3.: The cave fortress pic shown in the video, which I uploaded almost six years ago to this forum to make a similar point, was shown several times on TV, by Rumsfeld and/or Cheney, so it sure has been part of the "OCT" at one point.

The Times of London originally published that image.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was interviewed about it on Meet the Press in December 2001:

Russert: The search for Osama bin Laden. There is constant discussion about him hiding out in caves, and I think many times the American people have a perception that it's a little hole dug out of a side of a mountain.
Rumsfeld: Oh, no.
Russert: The Times of London did a graphic, which I want to put on the screen for you and our viewers. This is it. This is a fortress. This is a very much a complex, multi-tiered, bedrooms and offices on the top, as you can see, secret exits on the side and on the bottom, cut deep to avoid thermal detection so when our planes fly to try to determine if any human beings are in there, it's built so deeply down and embedded in the mountain and the rock it's hard to detect. And over here, valleys guarded, as you can see, by some Taliban soldiers. A ventilation system to allow people to breathe and to carry on. An arms and ammunition depot. And you can see here the exits leading into it and the entrances large enough to drive trucks and cars and even tanks. And it's own hydroelectric power to help keep lights on, even computer systems and telephone systems. It's a very sophisticated operation.
Rumsfeld: Oh, you bet. This is serious business. And there's not one of those. There are many of those. And they have been used very effectively. And I might add, Afghanistan is not the only country that has gone underground. Any number of countries have gone underground. The tunneling equipment that exists today is very powerful. It's dual use. It's available across the globe. And people have recognized the advantages of using underground protection for themselves.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=2585

Here's video of it: https://www.youtube.com/v/FGhGHxw0mSo

 

[Nonpareil]

Why did the SEC destroy the data on insider trading? Why did the D.I.A. destroy data on Able Danger? Why did the C.I.A. destroy its torture tapes? Why didn't the security services apprehend the hijackers who were identified prior to the attacks? Why didn't F.B.I. leadership pay attention to the Phoenix memo?

Any answers for those? Nope. Still unanswered for over 13 years now. No matter though, right? They're not important, right? No need to question anything in regards to 9/11. We already have thousands of pages of material on it, so don't pay any attention to all that hasn't been shared, right?

Back to Schultzism/Barbradyism we go. Different username same routine. Now let's move along folks 'cause there's nothing to see here

Wonderful. Now, what conclusions do you draw from these, and what evidence do you have to support them?

 

[DGM]

Why didn't the security services apprehend the hijackers who were identified prior to the attacks?

What would they hold them on?

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

You still haven't revealed why the video is 'stupid'.

You're doing it for me.

Cheers for that

 

[beachnut]

You still haven't revealed why the video is 'stupid'. Too many true statements for you to handle?

What was the conclusion of your not stupid video? SEC and the FBI found what? You left out the truth and picked to post the 911 truth BS statement, the stupid one. You can't explain the SEC BS? Why. Have you traded stocks? Have you been fined by the SEC? Why is it dumber than dirt to trade stocks associate with a crime? Any clue, or did you stop at the stupid statement in the video?

Have you figured out yet why JFK's "Why does Rice play Texas" is a better quote for your BS than the JFK one you posted?


Are you saying UBL never used underground bunkers? How do you know? Got some evidence?

 

[000063]

I love how almost all of Jango's posts have more sentences ending in question marks than periods. Totally not Gish Galloping.

 

[cjnewson88]

From my post elsewhere..

'Ok stay tuned because I'm only going to do this once.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters

Was reported on 3 of4 flights that the hijackers had small knives, fake bombs, and mace, which they used to fill the first class cabin on AA11, and unknown on UA175 and UA93. AA77 was the only hijacked aircraft in which the terrorist were reported to only have knives.

Flight 11;


Source

Flight 175;
"Flight attendant Robert Fangman, as well as two passengers (Peter Hanson and Brian David Sweeney) made phone calls from United Airlines Flight 175, using GTE airphones, from the rear of the aircraft. Airphone records also indicate that Garnet Bailey made four phone call attempts, trying to reach his wife. Fangman reported the hijacking, and said that the hijackers were likely flying the plane. He also said that both pilots were dead, and that a flight attendant was stabbed. Peter Hanson made a second phone call to his father at 09:00 - It's getting bad, Dad. A stewardess was stabbed. They seem to have knives and Mace. They said they have a bomb. It's getting very bad on the plane. The plane is making jerky movements. I don't think the pilot is flying the plane. I think we are going down. I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building. Don't worry, Dad. If it happens, it'll be very fast....Oh my God... oh my God, oh my God."

Source.

United 93.


30 Airphone calls were made from UA93, and two cell phone calls when the aircraft was at lower altitude. Many of them give information on what the hijackers had and were doing. You can look up the transcripts.

directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world

Source.

"No medical report has been produced that shows bin Laden is on dialysis. No reporter who has actually met bin Laden has seen the archterrorist hooked up to a dialysis machine or heard him talk about it. Robert Fisk, the only Western journalist to interview bin Laden three times, makes no mention of dialysis."

"Mr. Mir asked bin Laden about his kidneys: “A French newspaper has claimed that you have a kidney problem and have secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year [2000]. Is that correct?”

Bin Laden responded: “My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with an Islamabad dateline with one of my sons in Saudi Arabia. All this is false.”

using a satellite phone and a laptop directed

Source.

The plan was financed and 'masterminded' by Bin Laden, but was organised by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (Uncle of Ramzi Ahmed Yousef - the main perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and a co-conspirator in the Bojinka plot), which clearly stated so on his FBI wanted poster (which I cannot seem to find presently), and fronted, coordinated and executed by 3 members of the Hamburg Cell; Mohammed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah, and supported by the 4th member, Ramzi bin al-Shibh.

the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world

Taking over 4 airliners, using 14 trained muscle hijackers, and 4 commercially trained pilots, and flying them into targets in under an hour, is hardly a "sophisticated penetration". The "heavily defended airspace" was no match for a surprise attack using commercial airliners. It is a deliberately misleading statement.

Source.

overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft

How hard is it to cut the throats of 2 pilots who have their backs to the door and are strapped into their seats? We all know the flights did not have a great deal of people on them. Furthermore, no hijacking in the past has flown airliners into buildings. Prior to 9/11, hijacked flights landed or sat at chosen airfields and ransomed demands. We know the military were expecting this, it's fair to say so were the passengers.

before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

A misleading statement. Although the times of hijacking > impact are as follows;

AA11 - 32 minutes.
UA175 - 16 minutes
AA77 - 43 minutes
UA93 - 35 minutes

The military awareness of the hijacked flights were as follows;

AA11 - 9 minutes
UA175 - 0 minutes
AA77 - 3 minutes
UA93 - -4 minutes (NEADS got information on UA93 4 minutes after it had already crashed).

Source.

The only domestic intercept of a commercial aircraft inside the US prior to 9/11 was Payne Stewarts Learjet in 1999. And yes, it did take 76 minutes, and shown by the NTSB timeline;

"At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response."

"About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response".

Not the time zone difference, EDT - CDT. 1 hour difference. 76 minutes from first known loss of communication to intercept.

Source.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers,

Actually it was only 4 of the 19 who was accused of this. Although they drank alcohol, the claim they lived with a stripper, named Amanda Keller, is false. She claims to have lived and had a relationship with a man named Mohammed at the same time that she claims Mohammed Atta was in the area. Atta had left the area 3 months prior. There are several holes in the story, listed in the source.

Source

Furthermore, according to the belief of some martyrdom, any worldly sins commited are forgiven is one martyrs themselves for Allah.

managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York,

Misleading.
Source 1.
Source 2.

while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna

He was refused once. Several other times he took cross country flights. Hani Hanjour was chosen for the Pentagon hit because of its difficulty to hit, baring on the fact that he was the most experienced pilot of the group. Hani Hanjour had a CPL, multi-engine instrument endorsement with training towards a Boeing 737 type endorsement.

Source 1.
Source 2.
Source 3.
Source 4.

was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground,

Dramatisation. The final maneuver was a descending turn through 5000 feet, rolling level 6 miles from the Pentagon, then full power and hit.

Source.

hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

False.

Source.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap.

It wasn't hard to figure out. No body else had the capability, and Bin Laden had a known history for it.

Source 1.
Source 2.

But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history. The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish.

Based on opinion, rhetoric, and misquotes.

Delayed - No, they needed to wait for the other investigations to be completed. Such as PENTTBOM.
Underfunded - Misleading. The commission was set up to conclude other investigations, like PENTTBOM, and public a coherent narrative, which they did.
Set up to fail - Taken from Thomas Kean, but missing some context. He also stated "But did in fact do the biggest government investigation in our history.". "We told the story as it was". Source.
Conflict of Interest - You could claim any official investigation is. Baseless and based on opinion.
Cover up from start to finish - Opinionated, agreed with by people who have never read the report themselves.

Source 1.
Source 2.

It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed.

It included testimony, it wasn't based on it. But I am unfamiliar with the claim the records were destroyed. There seems to be no evidence provided of this.

It failed to mention the existence of WTC7,

Commission report was not an engineering report. It's objective was to;

"The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks."

Source.

Able Danger,

True, to which I also have some issues. Able Danger was investigated in 2006, and found:

""In December 2006, a sixteen-month investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded "Able Danger did not identify Mohamed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to September 11, 2001

Source.

Ptech

Who?

Sibel Edmonds

He warnings were not specific. Although I agree she deserved mention, it does give an idea of the intelligence c*ck-up that lead to 9/11.

OBL and the CIA

OBL did not have connections to the CIA. OBL was not Tim Osman, and did not receive anything aid from the US during the Soviet conflict. There were many groups fighting in Afghanistan, Bin Laden's was self funded;

"Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans have been significant factors in more recent conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments." - Source.

Source 1.
Source 2. - This is who received funding during the Soviet conflict.

and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening.

False. There was a hijack drill planned for the afternoon of 911, but it did not begin and certainly did not involve airliners crashing into buildings.

Source.

It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors.

Specific lies would be nice, the video itself does not source.. well, anything. I do know the commission did a number of subpoena's to get through some inaccuracies they were being told, such as the FAA and NEADS timelines. I am also aware of untruths which may have been told regarding how much the CIA knew about al-Qaeda operatives in California. Saying people lying to the commission therefore means the Bush administration killed 3,000 of its own people is a long stretch of the imagination. In reality it's called political bs and people covering up their own ass.

It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“.

Partly right. Page 169 on wards of the commission reports deals a little bit with funding (the big heading that says MONEY TRAIL?).

Source.

Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions)

Opinionated.

and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job),

Welcome to a non-punitive world. If you have ever studied Human Factors or HRM, you would figure out why.

determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

Pentagon drill was for an accidental crash from one of the hundreds of aircraft which overfly it every week from Regan National Airport right next door.

Source.

FEMA with the towers in crosshair is not based on an aircraft being flown into it. Remember it was attacked in 1993.

NORAD claim is based on the War Games already mentioned. See above source.

NRO drill had nothing to do with a hijacked plane. It was for an accidental plane crash.

Source.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

Something I too take issue with, but long shot for linking this to an 'inside job'.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

I cannot find a source for this. Link anybody?

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

Well yes. NIST effectively discovered how a buildings with similar designs to WTC7 destroyed by the removal or compromising of a single column. The wrong people get their hands on that information, and indeed it would “jeopardize public safety“.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

What's new. As it happens, they have released bucket loads of information through FOIA requests, as has NIST. Free to download

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This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

Barry Jennings did not believe in a conspiracy.

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We know from the testimony of Michael Hess, who was with Jennings, that the explosions occurred from the towers collapsing, and certainly not before.

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Also, we know there was medical triage, and dozens of cameras and witnesses at the base of WTC 7 and the towers, prior to their collapse. Not one witness has spoken of, nor has any cameras recorded, explosions in WTC 7 prior to the towers collapsing. Barry has is time line off a bit. It's nothing uncommon.

Also, the video I link in Source 2, and Source 4 below clearly shows most the windows are in tact on both the South and North side of WTC 7. To say a massive explosive tore through the building, and yet only a few windows broken, no witnesses? No, I'm afraid not.

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Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet.

Very simplified. But sure, I've been at this too long to deconstruct the entire 10 years of Bin Laden's escape.

Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it.

They told all that needed to know, and he was identified through DNA.

Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

Absolutely false.

"On 1–2 May 2011 DEVGRU Red Team undertook the covert operation codenamed Operation Neptune Spear,[43] under the CIA's authority, and killed Osama bin Laden,"

"Fifteen members of DEVGRU's Gold Team were among the 38 killed on Saturday, 6 August 2011 in Maidan Wardak province, Afghanistan, when a Chinook helicopter flown by B Company, 7th Battalion, 158th Aviation Regiment, was shot down by a Taliban-fired rocket-propelled grenade"

Not the same team.

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That's it. That is all I'm doing. Consider your gish gallop debunked.'