New Disclosures on Benghazi

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The problem these days is that a lot of people equate criticism with hate. Doesn't matter whether the criticism is legitimate, it one criticized it one must therefore hate it.
 
I read the report, which I doubt anybody else here has. As it was produced by the House Intelligence Committee, it focused exclusively on the role of the CIA in the Benghazi attacks. Except for the shoddy process of producing the talking points (in which both the White House and State Department participated), the report exonerates the CIA. It does not exonerate either the State Department, the White House, or the military. In fact, although the appendix produced by the minority (i.e. the Democrats) tries to highlight the muddled and conflicting intelligence at the time of Susan Rice's infamous testimony on Sunday morning new shows, a fair reading of the evidence is that the administration cherry-picked a narrative it felt was least politically damaging out of the confused melange of reports available at the time.

The questions concerning the military's lack of preparedness, the State Department's inadequate planning, the actions and decisions made by the President during the attack, the weird focus on an internet video (as if that was worth mentioning, even if it had been the spark for violence), the subsequent arrest and imprisonment of the video producer, and allegations that State Department whistleblowers were punished, remain unanswered.

I was coming here to explain the same thing, but you did a excellent job.
 
The House committee still investigating (for certain definitions) Benghazi are ready to spend an additional $3.3 million. That would put it's effective yearly budge above the House Intelligence committee.

The predictable rebuke to this is that it's Obama's fault they have to spend so much because he's still hiding the bad stuff. This assumes there is worse stuff. What is the way to tell the difference between actions consistent with nothing worse being there, and actions consistent with worse things being covered up? There hasn't been anything convincing presented here, so restating that isn't what I'm looking for. My point is that no matter what happens, no matter how much time and money is spent, it will never convince those who are already sure something is horribly wrong. Because one can't prove a negative, they will keep hunting for years. It's just like every other unsupported CT, only it has a House committee wasting time and money.

And, it seems they are ready to spend it again:

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner---i-m...benghazi-panel-in-new-congress-001822450.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzBvA2uEjUI
 
Republicans, who have no interest in governing, will keeping beating this dead horse until the 2016 election. They also need to hope stupid old white men don't start dying at an increasing rate.
 
The new committee is gearing up proceedings, should be an exciting spring!

It appears that cia state and White House are refusing to cooperate.

What do you think?
 
I think it unfortunate those lives were lost, especially from incompetence, they could have easily been saved.

And you felt the same way about previous diplomatic deaths under other presidents, correct?

You felt this way in 2002 when the U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan was attacked and 10 Killed, 51 Injured?

Or in 2004 when the U.S. Embassy was bombed In Uzbekistan with 2 Killed, 9 Injured?

Or again in 2004 when gunmen stormed the U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia with 8 Killed?

Or in 2006 when armed men attacked the U.S. Embassy In Syria resulting in 1 Killed and several injured?

Or in 2007 when a grenade was launched into U.S. Embassy in Athens?

Or in 2008 when rioters set fire to the U.S. Embassy In Serbia?

Or again in 2008 when 10 people were killed in bombings at the U.S. Embassy in Yemen?

Or is it only the 2012 US Embassy attack in Benghazi, Libya (an attack that kills 4 people) that sparks your (and other conservative's outrage and concern about the safety and security of Americans abroad?

Did you demand a money pit of taxpayer dollars be spent on investigation after investigation after investigation in these previous attacks?

If not, why?
 
Do I have it right- Obama pulled the trigger,but Hillary was there too, on the grassy knoll?
 
And you felt the same way about previous diplomatic deaths under other presidents, correct?

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If not, why?

why did you claim that there were "diplomatic deaths" when no diplomats died in any of those attacks?

In addition, your entire post is a tu quoque fallacy, a point I have explained several times in this thread.

I agree. The republicans should not have cut the funding for security.

Your assertion is directly contradicted by the facts and the testimony. The Washington Post gave that identical claim "Three Pinocchios" a point i have explained several times in this thread

Oct. 10, 2012 hearing:

QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

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QUESTION: So there's not a budget problem. It's not you all don't have the money to do this?

LAMB: Sir, it's a volatile situation. We will move assets to cover that.

May 8, 2013 hearing:

QUESTION: Mr. Nordstrom, you were on that panel. Do you remember what she [Lamb] said?

REGIONAL SECURITY OFFICER ERIC NORDSTROM: Yes, she said that resources was not an issue. And I think I would also point to the ARB report, if I'm not mistaken, that they talked to our chief financial officer with D.S. [Diplomatic Security], who also said that resources were not an issue.
 
why did you claim that there were "diplomatic deaths" when no diplomats died in any of those attacks?

As opposed to "aid workers" deaths in hospitals, "soldier" deaths on battlefields, "civilian" deaths in public markets, etc. These in question occured at diplomatic facilities. Diplomatic as an adjective, not a noun.

In addition, your entire post is a tu quoque fallacy, a point I have explained several times in this thread.

I asked if this same level of outrage and demand for ad nauseam investigations existed in those previous attacks. It either did or it did not.

If not, I would like to know why.
 
Great, the fiscal party is looking to waste more money on something that's been investigated to death and back. So far the only thing the repubs have done this year is waste money. Going after Obamacare again and now Benghazi for, what? The 15th time? (I know that's a hyperbole) If was the White House I wouldn't participate either. Treat these people like the children they are, ignore their tantrums and wait for them to go away.
 
As opposed to "aid workers" deaths in hospitals, "soldier" deaths on battlefields, "civilian" deaths in public markets, etc. These in question occured at diplomatic facilities. Diplomatic as an adjective, not a noun.

Regardless, I counted up all of the deaths of American diplomatic workers at US diplomatic facilities during the Bush years, and I got only one. And that one was arguable since he was killed in a car bomb attack in an adjacent parking lot which was not part of the diplomatic property. None of the incidents had national security implications as important as the death of a US ambassador. It's like comparing a random homicide in Washington, DC with the assassination of a official working in the White House.


I asked if this same level of outrage and demand for ad nauseam investigations existed in those previous attacks. It either did or it did not.

If not, I would like to know why.

Because it's impossible to stop terrorists from lobbing bombs at the gates of your embassy or taking potshots at the guards standing outside, but, in theory, it should be possible to secure a diplomatic facility so it doesn't get completely overrun, with a US ambassador trapped inside.
 
why did you claim that there were "diplomatic deaths" when no diplomats died in any of those attacks?

In addition, your entire post is a tu quoque fallacy, a point I have explained several times in this thread.

I think the point may have been to ask how Benghazi differs from the political violence that claims US lives no matter who is president. Unless these other attacks were of a fundamentally different quality and were unpreventable, even with the benefit of hindsight, the one in Benghazi doesn't particularly reflect on Obama or his administration.

I will never get what the Benghazi obsession is all about, or what you expect to come of it. Are you thinking this might be good for impeachment or a forced resignation? I doubt it. I think it will be a tiny footnote US history.
 
why did you claim that there were "diplomatic deaths" when no diplomats died in any of those attacks?

In addition, your entire post is a tu quoque fallacy, a point I have explained several times in this thread.

On what planet does it even matter if they're "diplomatic deaths"??

They're HUMANS. They're AMERICANS. It's obscene and frankly offensive that their resume is what sets them apart, and makes this fodder for the right.
 
I think the point may have been to ask how Benghazi differs from the political violence that claims US lives no matter who is president. Unless these other attacks were of a fundamentally different quality and were unpreventable, even with the benefit of hindsight, the one in Benghazi doesn't particularly reflect on Obama or his administration.

I will never get what the Benghazi obsession is all about, or what you expect to come of it. Are you thinking this might be good for impeachment or a forced resignation? I doubt it. I think it will be a tiny footnote US history.

Well of course Benghazi was fundamentally different as it was preventable.

Further, not only was the ambassador killed, two entire facilities were completely overrun and by the following weekend, the Administration's false narrative that the attack spontaneously arose from a demonstration outside the facility resulted in a major diplomatic issue with our so called allies in the Libyan Government.

In every other case in both the Bush years AND the Obama years (yes, there were other attacks on facilities during the Obama years) the security plans in place worked as intended.

That was not the case in Benghazi.
 
I will never get what the Benghazi obsession is all about, or what you expect to come of it. Are you thinking this might be good for impeachment or a forced resignation? I doubt it. I think it will be a tiny footnote US history.

Tho ONLY reason Republicans have latched so hard on to Benghazi is because they think they can use it to hurt Obama and Hillary.
 
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