Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

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TheSapient said:
Even if you believe that cwb was being serious, he clearly states that he has ESP, not that you have telepathy. How is his claimed ability to read minds evidence that you can transmit thoughts?
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I have an impression you are a little bit splitting hairs here.
Calwaterbear said "I do indeed have ESP" and then he gave the correct number. What do you think he did? Did he fly over the ocean (assuming he was in the US) and enter into my apartment to view the correct number on my paper using "clairvoyance"? Or did my brain emit electromagnetic waves, which were perhaps reflected on the ionosphere, that his brain was able to interpret correctly? What is more likely, in your opinion?
 
What is most likely is that calwaterbear was not serious and happened to guess the right number which (as there were so few numbers to choose from) there was a significant chance he would.
 
In my opinion, taking all of calwaterbear's contributions into account, the most likely explanation is that s/he was joking. And that you have a diagnosed mental disorder which causes you to believe that others can perceive your thoughts, and that causes you to 'hear' hostile voices. Both of which are actually caused by a treatable chemical imbalance in your brain.

You do not have to live like this, Michel. Most people in the world do not live with voices in their heads, nor do they feel that they are transmitting their thoughts. The fact that you do has nothing to do with your undoubted intelligence; anyone can develop a mental illness at any time without any warning.

I hope you can bring yourself to consider treatment such as medication or talking therapies. Having hostile voices in your head must be such an exhausting, difficult way to live, and it does not have to be this way. Help is out there, but you have to be prepared to accept the help.
 
Michel H said:
I have an impression you are a little bit splitting hairs here.
Calwaterbear said "I do indeed have ESP" and then he gave the correct number. What do you think he did? Did he fly over the ocean (assuming he was in the US) and enter into my apartment to view the correct number on my paper using "clairvoyance"? Or did my brain emit electromagnetic waves, which were perhaps reflected on the ionosphere, that his brain was able to interpret correctly? What is more likely, in your opinion?
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Neither; They are not the only mutually exclusive options.

Option 3: He was being sarcastic and had a lucky guess, Which wouldn't be impossible given your "immense" range of numbers [1,2,3,4].

I myself am guilty of responding in jest to your tests and I see now how much damage it can do.

Regardless there is a vast impasse here; {Assumption here} No one here believes you are psychic/telepathic. No one has received any transmissions from you not now or before. Every test conducted here by yourself has failed.

The impasse; It matters not how much you fail at your own designed tests, What anyone here has said, What family members have said. You are convinced without any doubt you are telepathic and that the voices you hear are real.

I hope some moment of clarity comes to you but until then this thread is just circular arguing.
 
I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.

As per usual, he has externally expressed thoughts and private thoughts.
The private thoughts, which to me are as clear as the externally expressed thoughts make it crystal clear that his whole schtick about his mother is almost entirely untrue, apart from the urging to take medication.

Michel H, I can literally hear the cognitive dissonance grind in your mind.
 
Daylightstar said:
I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.

As per usual, he has externally expressed thoughts and private thoughts.
The private thoughts, which to me are as clear as the externally expressed thoughts make it crystal clear that his whole schtick about his mother is almost entirely untrue, apart from the urging to take medication.

Michel H, I can literally hear the cognitive dissonance grind in your mind.
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I believe every single word of this post.

I too am hearing Michel H's thoughts, currently he is hungry and considering ordering a Pizza with extra Pineapple.
Or perhaps these are my thoughts...
 
Michel H said:
I believe that the evidence (observed every day) in favor of my telepathy hypothesis is enormous, and there is probably very little you can do to change my conviction. Trying to convince me that telepathy doesn't exist would be somewhat like trying to convince somebody who is trying to swim in a lake that water does not exist and is just an illusion. Do not think that stupid and dishonest verbal violence coming from the "skeptical microcosm" is going to impress me a lot. It has been pointed out recently on this forum that the initials of "International Skeptics" are the same as those of "Islamic State", this gives you an idea (although it is not a proof) about the (sometimes) poor intellectual and ethical level of discussions here.
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and the Merry-Go-Round makes another circuit.

I forget, what comes after forum insults? Is it claims of being brilliant or claims that doctors know about the ESP? In either case, I am pretty sure that the one after that is medicine is poison.

If we mixed up all the pages, I doubt anyone could put them back in the correct order. It is just the same stuff over and over.

Can we move the thread to Abandon All Hope?
[that was not a serious request of the moderators. That was a joke. Well, mostly a joke]
 
Ladewig said:
and the Merry-Go-Round makes another circuit.

I forget, what comes after forum insults? Is it claims of being brilliant or claims that doctors know about the ESP? In either case, I am pretty sure that the one after that is medicine is poison.

If we mixed up all the pages, I doubt anyone could put them back in the correct order. It is just the same stuff over and over.

Can we move the thread to Abandon All Hope?
[that was not a serious request of the moderators. That was a joke. Well, mostly a joke]
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Your disclaimer is, apparently, irrelevant. Michel will assume you are stone cold serious.

I would appeal to all to cease and desist from any further sarcasm, irony or humour in this thread.
 
Michel H said:
I have an impression you are a little bit splitting hairs here.
Calwaterbear said "I do indeed have ESP" and then he gave the correct number. What do you think he did? Did he fly over the ocean (assuming he was in the US) and enter into my apartment to view the correct number on my paper using "clairvoyance"? Or did my brain emit electromagnetic waves, which were perhaps reflected on the ionosphere, that his brain was able to interpret correctly? What is more likely, in your opinion?
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Well, obviously he was joking. But if we accept your claim he was being truthful, then he was being truthful about having ESP, which does not at all support your claim of telepathy.

Now, if you are right and he DOES have ESP, I still don't think you can assume you know how it works. It seems unreasonable to believe human brains are emitting readable electromagnetic waves, and cwb is separate them out and translate them. More likely he sends the ghost of alien bigfoot to geolocate his targets, and then punches through space time into that person's brain.
 
Wait a few pages, or less, and those two posts will be held as serious evidence for telepathy.

The posters will return to strongly deny it all and how they were joking. J O K I N G. Funny. Ha ha. You know? Sarcasm.

It will boon them nothing. They are now forever part of Michel's cognitive bias and have ceased to be independent agents in their own rights.

So sorry. If it helps, I think we're all characters in his personal A-Team channel. I like to think I get a bit-part with Murdock.
 
Daylightstar said:
I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.
As per usual, he has externally expressed thoughts and private thoughts.
The private thoughts, which to me are as clear as the externally expressed thoughts make it crystal clear that his whole schtick about his mother is almost entirely untrue, apart from the urging to take medication.

Michel H, I can literally hear the cognitive dissonance grind in your mind.
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The Moog said:
I believe every single word of this post.

I too am hearing Michel H's thoughts, currently he is hungry and considering ordering a Pizza with extra Pineapple.
Or perhaps these are my thoughts...
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Thank you, Daylightstar and The Moog, I have long been suspecting there is an odd and very exceptional telepathic phenomenon which allow you to know some of my thoughts, even if you are in very remote places (for me). Unfortunately, it seems that most people strongly dislike the idea of conceding and admitting this thing "seriously" and consistently. And then, there is always the temptation of creating one's own imaginary skeptical paradise, Disneyland or dream world, in which everything seems prettier and more reassuring. Try to take people out of their skeptical dream world, and back to reality, and things can turn fairly nasty.

Your posts did not seem very reliable, though (not high credibility). But I think I was precisely eating when The Moog wrote: currently he is hungry. What I said about my mother was true, but I admit that it is not usual for her to ask "Do you have the impression that people are all crazy?" (she said that in 1995, in a restaurant).

To all: read again this post, that Loss Leader wrote about 6 days ago:
Loss Leader said:
For the record, I was lying about having any indication of knowing what number you were thinking of. I lied because I thought it was funny. I lied to make you look foolish. I saw no number in my mind and did not even guess a number. I just hit a key.

All of my responses to any of your tests have been lies.

If I were you, I would discard all my responses as not being credible.

Now, the question is: If a moderator of a paranormal forum has no credibility, let alone special credibility, how can any person's credibility be assessed?
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After reading that post, don't you think there may be truth to what my mother said in 1995?
Now, there is no effect without cause, right? What is the cause, which may lead people to behave in a strange way , with contradictions, in my telepathy threads and elsewhere. I assume, in view of all the evidence, that the reason is that I am really "telepathic".
 
Donn said:
Wait a few pages, or less, and those two posts will be held as serious evidence for telepathy.

The posters will return to strongly deny it all and how they were joking. J O K I N G. Funny. Ha ha. You know? Sarcasm.

It will boon them nothing. They are now forever part of Michel's cognitive bias and have ceased to be independent agents in their own rights.

So sorry. If it helps, I think we're all characters in his personal A-Team channel. I like to think I get a bit-part with Murdock.
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You were not completely wrong, Donn.
For those of you who may have some difficulty understanding the cultural allusion to the A-Team and Murdock, read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howling_Mad_Murdock
(this is an international forum, right?)
 
Michel H said:
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Now, there is no effect without cause, right? What is the cause, which may lead people to behave in a strange way , with contradictions, in my telepathy threads and elsewhere.
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People just love a good train wreck.

Here more than anywhere.



Michel H said:
I assume, in view of all the evidence, that the reason is that I am really "telepathic".
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This assumption has nothing to do with the evidence, all of which indicates that there's no such thing as telepathy.
 
Donn said:
Michel,
What can anyone say that would satisfy you that your thoughts are not being detected by them?
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This is the central question here; and Michel's answer
Michel H said:
I believe that the evidence (observed every day) in favor of my telepathy hypothesis is enormous, and there is probably very little you can do to change my conviction. Trying to convince me that telepathy doesn't exist would be somewhat like trying to convince somebody who is trying to swim in a lake that water does not exist and is just an illusion. Do not think that stupid and dishonest verbal violence coming from the "skeptical microcosm" is going to impress me a lot. It has been pointed out recently on this forum that the initials of "International Skeptics" are the same as those of "Islamic State", this gives you an idea (although it is not a proof) about the (sometimes) poor intellectual and ethical level of discussions here.
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is pretty revealing. Aside from the issue of possible (!) mental illness, there's also the issue of Michel claiming to be a scientist- and yet apparently not understanding the basic scientific principle of falsifiability. In science, the proponent of a theory must first define how it could be shown wrong before he can even test whether it's right. If Scientist X wants to test Theory Y, he must first set limits- "result A would tend to confirm the theory, but Result B would definitively disprove it." Michel posits a theory- "I am telepathic"- and appears to think only Result A is pertinent, disregarding the need for any defined Result B. The only limits Michel has set are burdens of "credibility" that he's placed on everybody else, with no burden for himself except to sustain his own conviction. You cannot, in science, tell others to "convince me my theory is wrong!" without having ever defined, for them or yourself, what would.

(And the "International Skeptics are as bad as the Islam State because your initials are the same!" thing is just childish)
 
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