Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[Donn]

How was the Pizza? Although I have to say pineapple on pizza is pretty sick... you could do with getting some help with that problem.

It works like this:
If he did have pineapple, it's a hit.
If not, pineapple is a fruit, tomato is also a fruit. He certainly had some form of tomato on that pizza — a fruit by Jove! So it's a hit!

Heads he wins, tails you lose.

Don't joke with the Sarcasm Singularity.

 

[Michel H]

How was the Pizza? Although I have to say pineapple on pizza is pretty sick... you could do with getting some help with that problem.

It was not pizza, it was sardines with broccoli, so you weren't right on this

 

[Donn]

Ninjaed. But Michel, your taste in pizza is horrendous. Could that broccoli and sardines thing be a .. joke? :O

In which case, do you accept The Moog as joking about being able to read your thoughts?

'Cos he was, you know.

 

[Michel H]

Ninjaed. But Michel, your taste in pizza is horrendous. Could that broccoli and sardines thing be a .. joke? :O

In which case, do you accept The Moog as joking about being able to read your thoughts?

'Cos he was, you know.

That's what you say, but I did not read him saying such a thing.

 

[Giordano]

This is the central question here; and Michel's answer

is pretty revealing. Aside from the issue of possible (!) mental illness, there's also the issue of Michel claiming to be a scientist- and yet apparently not understanding the basic scientific principle of falsifiability. In science, the proponent of a theory must first define how it could be shown wrong before he can even test whether it's right. If Scientist X wants to test Theory Y, he must first set limits- "result A would tend to confirm the theory, but Result B would definitively disprove it." Michel posits a theory- "I am telepathic"- and appears to think only Result A is pertinent, disregarding the need for any defined Result B. The only limits Michel has set are burdens of "credibility" that he's placed on everybody else, with no burden for himself except to sustain his own conviction. You cannot, in science, tell others to "convince me my theory is wrong!" without having ever defined, for them or yourself, what would.

(And the "International Skeptics are as bad as the Islam State because your initials are the same!" thing is just childish)

I've dealt with others who have, let's say strongly held beliefs, and I found that these beliefs easily trump training and logic. In some cases these people have a part of their brain that questions the logic, but other parts of their brain convince them that the beliefs are real. You cannot point out to an anorexic that they are too skinny, they honesty, if inaccurately, see a fat person in the mirror.

 

[The Moog]

That's what you say, but I did not read him saying such a thing.

Donn is hearing my thoughts
No other explanation.

 

[TheSapient]

That's what you say, but I did not read him saying such a thing.

Michel,

We see a pattern here where everyone else detects sarcasm in certain posts where you do not. Indeed, you take the posts literally even when the authors explain the posts were not meant to be taken literally.

I'm going to ask you to consider how this looks to people who are not you. You claim that you have daily experiences that you take as evidence of your telepathy. The only examples we here can evaluate are the results of your tests and the posts you point to as evidence. Given that, to a person, we think you are misreading those posts (and you have done so poorly on your tests), how can we believe you ability to evaluate evidence outside of this forum is any better?

 

[turingtest]

I've dealt with others who have, let's say strongly held beliefs, and I found that these beliefs easily trump training and logic. In some cases these people have a part of their brain that questions the logic, but other parts of their brain convince them that the beliefs are real. You cannot point out to an anorexic that they are too skinny, they honesty, if inaccurately, see a fat person in the mirror.

All very true. I'm just hoping Michel, if he reads these posts, takes the main point- you can't claim to be doing science based only on its trappings while ignoring its foundation.

 

[Giordano]

I knew a PHD who had zero sense of humor and could not recognize sarcasm at all. Otherwise, she had no other quirks. But it always was a big mistake for her to believe and act on people's statements when they were only trying to be funny or sarcastic.

My point is whatever you mental state otherwise, Michel H, many of the posts to your ESP challenges were meant to be funny or sarcastic and it would be unwise for you to believe them and act on them as if they were serious. Almost everyone else here understood the non-serious nature of these posts when we first read them, and often the original posters have come back to further clarify this. These posts cannpot be used as evidence for ESP in any way (even when distorted as is often the case in your "tests"). High intelligence does not mean that you would be necessarily able to detect humor or sarcasm. It is not an insult.

 

[Daylightstar]

... you to know some of my thoughts, ...

No Michel H, not some of your thoughts:

... All of them.
...

... What I said about my mother was true, but I admit that it is not usual for her to ask "Do you have the impression that people are all crazy?" (she said that in 1995, in a restaurant). ...

No Michel H, she did not say that. Only the urging to take medication is true.

... Michel H's ... his whole schtick about his mother is almost entirely untrue, apart from the urging to take medication.
...

It doesn't really matter to me whether you disagree with your mother's intentions, but you might as well admit to that poor relationship you've been talking to a psychiatrist about.

Come clean.

 

[dlorde]

I have an impression you are a little bit splitting hairs here.
Calwaterbear said "I do indeed have ESP" and then he gave the correct number. What do you think he did? Did he fly over the ocean (assuming he was in the US) and enter into my apartment to view the correct number on my paper using "clairvoyance"? Or did my brain emit electromagnetic waves, which were perhaps reflected on the ionosphere, that his brain was able to interpret correctly? What is more likely, in your opinion?

You supposedly have a PhD in physics - have you tried working out the strength of the electromagnetic waves produced by your brain (hint: EEGs use scalp electrodes and only detect a very weak signal through the skull)?

Now calculate the energy required to broadcast a signal from a brain-shaped aerial strong enough not be swamped by the EM noise from your fridge, TV, computer, mains supply, street lights, media broadcasts, atmospheric discharges, etc.

Or a signal strong enough to be detected after bouncing off the ionosphere. How hot is your brain? how many calories do you eat a day?

A physicist should know this stuff.

 

[Michel H]

You supposedly have a PhD in physics - have you tried working out the strength of the electromagnetic waves produced by your brain (hint: EEGs use scalp electrodes and only detect a very weak signal through the skull)?

Now calculate the energy required to broadcast a signal from a brain-shaped aerial strong enough not be swamped by the EM noise from your fridge, TV, computer, mains supply, street lights, media broadcasts, atmospheric discharges, etc.

Or a signal strong enough to be detected after bouncing off the ionosphere. How hot is your brain? how many calories do you eat a day?

A physicist should know this stuff.

Yes, I have actually studied the physical aspect.

The power of the brain is approximately 20 Watt (see hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml).
On the other hand, with 5 W (radiated) power, ham radio operators can make voice contact with "the other side of the world" (see ham1, ham2). It is possible to make telegraphic contact with the other side of the world (using for example the Morse code) with only 500 mW (ham2). According to wikipedia, the current record for a "QRP" connection (this means "low power amateur radio connection") is 1 microWatt for 1,650 miles on 10 meter (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QRP_operation#Philosophy).

The human brain has gamma oscillations of frequencies up to 200 Hz, see High-frequency gamma oscillations and human brain mapping with electrocorticography. There are probably other, much higher frequencies of electromagnetic waves, which occur when electromagnetic pulses created by cerebral activity and neuronal action potentials bounce back and forth between the "walls of the brain", in this way you create a simple high frequency oscillator, which then may get modulated by the gamma waves.

It is possible that our neurons are like extra-ordinarily sensitive transistors, which "trigger" when a well defined voltage threshold is reached (this triggers the action potential) and can amplify. And since there are so many of them (about one hundred billion), you presumably end up with an extraordinarily biological device for detecting electromagnetic waves in your skull, which will detect primarily waves of the "right wavelengths" for creating a sustained oscillation, which are waves creating by other brains. It is possible that my own gamma waves have something special in the message they convey (perhaps because I am more altruistic than most), which would explain why they are understood better than the average. It is also possible that my "special" telepathic waves get understood and re-emitted by other brains after a long journey, and thereby amplified.

 

[Pixel42]

I think you must be confusing gamma waves (neural oscillations) with gamma rays (high frequency electromagnetic radiation). If your brain was producing or receiving gamma rays you'd be dead, as they're lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#Health_effects

 

[Donn]

Last time I looked, a transmitter required a rather large antenna. Do you have a ten foot pole with branching metal rods, or a perhaps a dish, protruding from your head?


ETA:
Another deja-vu moment. This line of thought has gone to AAH before!

 

[Michel H]

... you to know some of my thoughts, ...

No Michel H, not some of your thoughts:

... All of them.
...

...

What do you think about this post of Daylightstar, members of this forum?
He first said:

I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.
...

and then, after reading my reaction, he came back, not to say that he was not serious and had lied in his previous post, but to insist he could actually perceive "all my thoughts".
Is this the strong and clear testimony in favor of my telepathy hypothesis that you needed in order to take it seriously? Do you feel you have seen the light in a starlike fashion now?
Of course, he did not really prove he could hear all my thoughts. But I believe these kinds of testimonies are interesting nevertheless.

 

[Michel H]

I think you must be confusing gamma waves (neural oscillations) with gamma rays (high frequency electromagnetic radiation). If your brain was producing or receiving gamma rays you'd be dead, as they're lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#Health_effects

No, I am not claiming my brain is producing gamma rays, gamma rays are produced by nuclei, not by neurons, I was talking about the (gamma) neural oscillations. It seems to me it is reasonable to expect that there should be some high frequency standing waves within the brain from pulses of electromagnetic waves bouncing off the its boundaries (of the brain). I expect the wave length of the standing waves to be of the order of the size of the brain, namely about 10 centimeters. On the other hand,
Gamma rays typically have frequencies above 10 exahertz (or >1019 Hz), and therefore have energies above 100 keV and wavelengths less than 10 picometers (10-12 meter), which is less than the diameter of an atom.


Wikipedia says this about cavity resonators:
A cavity resonator is a hollow closed conductor such as a metal box or a cavity within a metal block, containing electromagnetic waves (radio waves) reflecting back and forth between the cavity's walls. When a source of radio waves at one of the cavity's resonant frequencies is applied, the oppositely-moving waves form standing waves, and the cavity stores electromagnetic energy.
Since the cavity's lowest resonant frequency, the fundamental frequency, is that at which the width of the cavity is equal to a half-wavelength (λ/2), cavity resonators are only used at microwave frequencies and above, where wavelengths are short enough that the cavity is conveniently small in size.
(link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonator#Cavity_resonators)
Because the complex permittivity undergoes a discontinuity when you move from the brain to the skull, and to the air outside the skull, I expect the brain should be a (lossy, because of the electric conductivity inside the brain) dielectric cavity.

 

[Pixel42]

What do you think about this post of Daylightstar, members of this forum?

I think it needs to be read in the context of these previous posts by Daylightstar:

Well, yes. You have presented an irrational belief (and a possible pathology*; being telepathic and a notion of persecution*) and you spend all your time attempting to rationalize it with another irrational idea (the need for credibility ratings)

As has been pointed out, the question is meaningless.
It's your attempt to generate opinions on credibility as if your credibility rating irrationality has any merit.
Which it doesn't have.

You will not receive numbers from me.

Things are not necessarily like what you think you're experiencing. Sometimes people simply lack a degree of mental health.
Even though they appear to function normally in one way, at the same time they utterly malfunction in another way.
Often, this is not observable by themselves.

 

[TheSapient]

No, I am not claiming my brain is producing gamma rays, gamma rays are produced by nuclei, not by neurons, I was talking about the (gamma) neural oscillations. It seems to me it is reasonable to expect that there should be some high frequency standing waves within the brain from pulses of electromagnetic waves bouncing off the its boundaries (of the brain). I expect the wave length of the standing waves to be of the order of the size of the brain, namely about 10 centimeters. On the other hand,
Gamma rays typically have frequencies above 10 exahertz (or >1019 Hz), and therefore have energies above 100 keV and wavelengths less than 10 picometers (10-12 meter), which is less than the diameter of an atom.


Wikipedia says this about cavity resonators:
A cavity resonator is a hollow closed conductor such as a metal box or a cavity within a metal block, containing electromagnetic waves (radio waves) reflecting back and forth between the cavity's walls. When a source of radio waves at one of the cavity's resonant frequencies is applied, the oppositely-moving waves form standing waves, and the cavity stores electromagnetic energy.
Since the cavity's lowest resonant frequency, the fundamental frequency, is that at which the width of the cavity is equal to a half-wavelength (λ/2), cavity resonators are only used at microwave frequencies and above, where wavelengths are short enough that the cavity is conveniently small in size.
(link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonator#Cavity_resonators)
Because the complex permittivity undergoes a discontinuity when you move from the brain to the skull, and to the air outside the skull, I expect the brain should be a (lossy, because of the electric conductivity inside the brain) dielectric cavity.

Why are you doing these silly, poorly designed tests. It would be a trivial matter to measure the output of your brain at these frequencies and the signal strength at other people's heads.

 

[turingtest]

It's probably only a matter of time before the word "quantum" makes an appearance here.

 

[Michel H]

Why are you doing these silly, poorly designed tests. It would be a trivial matter to measure the output of your brain at these frequencies and the signal strength at other people's heads.

I think it would be doable, but not necessarily easy. It's always easy when it's up to others to do it. Did you see the light?