UK establishment child abuse cover-up inquiry

Shocking evidence emerging of organised child abuse at highest levels of British society

Westminster 'Paedophile Ring': 'Powerful Elite' Of MPs And Ministers Abused Children, Peter McKelvie Says


He said the victims, who were "almost exclusively boys", were abused over "many, many years" and were moved around like "a lump of meat".

McKelvie, whose allegations led initially to a 2012 police inquiry, said the ring carried out "the worst form" of abuse.

He said: "I would say we are looking at upwards of 20 (people) and a much larger number of people who have known about it and done nothing about it, who were in a position to do something about it."

He added: "I believe that there is strong evidence, and an awful lot of information that can be converted into evidence if it is investigated properly, that there's been an extremely powerful elite among the highest levels of the political classes for as long as I have been alive - I'm 65 now.

"There's been sufficient reason to investigate it over and over again, certainly for the last 30 years, and there has always been the block and the cover-up and the collusion to prevent that happening.

"For the first time I have got a belief that survivors will come forward and justice will be served for a lot of survivors, but unfortunately it has been left so late that a lot of the abusers are now dead."

McKelvie added: "We are looking at the Lords, we are looking at the Commons, we are looking at the judiciary, we are looking at all institutions where there will be a small percentage of paedophiles and a slightly larger percentage of people who have known about it but have felt that in terms of their own self-interest and self-preservation and for political party reasons it's been safer for them to cover it up rather than deal with it."
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At the moment it seems that there are shocking allegations of organised child abuse at the highest levels of British society.

It is possible that some or all of the allegations are true but until they are investigated and a conviction or guilty plea is gained then they're just allegations. According to an old-school hack I know, it's been "common knowledge" among the press corps for decades that certain senior politicians and/or civil servants like boys and they like them young but the allegations have never been tested.

Undoubtedly there is a lot of paedophilia out there and the victims suffer in silence but I also get the feeling that British society is working itself up into the same kind of frenzy that ended up with all the satanic abuse allegations in the '90s. Right now it seems that any and all allegations are taken at face value and we're willing to believe anything.
 
While I understand what you're saying, I don't think "it didn't happen unless and until there's a conviction" is a tenable position. The idea that one should not discuss this sort of allegation in advance of a guilty verdict is ridiculous.

It's also worth considering that these allegations are in an entirely different category to most of the stuff that has been alleged about celebrities in recent years. While that did involve some hard-core abuse, a lot of the muck being thrown consisted of inappropriate and unwelcome groping of young adults, often above the age of consent, and star-struck juvenile groupies being taken advantage of - illegally, but not necessarily without their consent.

The things we're hearing now aren't about dirty old men with wandering hands, they're about children being passed around "like pieces of meat".

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
While I understand what you're saying, I don't think "it didn't happen unless and until there's a conviction" is a tenable position. The idea that one should not discuss this sort of allegation in advance of a guilty verdict is ridiculous.
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I wasn't suggesting that we don't discuss these things but the OP states quite clearly that evidence is emerging whereas AFAIK at this stage only allegations have emerged. The actual evidence is apparently somewhere in the files of the Righton enquiry which are held by the West Mercia police.

All I wanted to clarify is that at the moment, the only things emerging are allegations, the evidence will I presume follow in due course.
 
Rolfe said:
While I understand what you're saying, I don't think "it didn't happen unless and until there's a conviction" is a tenable position. The idea that one should not discuss this sort of allegation in advance of a guilty verdict is ridiculous.

It's also worth considering that these allegations are in an entirely different category to most of the stuff that has been alleged about celebrities in recent years. While that did involve some hard-core abuse, a lot of the muck being thrown consisted of inappropriate and unwelcome groping of young adults, often above the age of consent, and star-struck juvenile groupies being taken advantage of - illegally, but not necessarily without their consent.

The things we're hearing now aren't about dirty old men with wandering hands, they're about children being passed around "like pieces of meat".
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These are very different allegations to the Yewtree ones, and there have been whispering of them for a long time, but there always seemed to be an element of circular thinking at play. The "powerful" would be able to cover up sexual abuse of children, therefore they were able to abuse such children with impunity, or perhaps even carried out that abuse because they could.

However, given that we are talking about a time when being gay was an intolerable security risk for politicians and civil servants, it strikes me as unlikely that, a) MI5 would not work out what was going on, and b) would tolerate such a risk, even on purely pragmatic grounds.

There is also an element of homophobia/hypocrisy in that a fair amount of the previous allegations seemed to involve gay "powerful" men with younger men who, yes, were below the age of consent for homsexual acts at the time, but not for heterosexual ones. Knacker, of course, has long been institutionally homophobic, to the extent of the Met helping the Isle of Man police to argue the case that homosexual acts should not be made legal within the same terms as they were already legal within the Met's own jurisdiction.
 
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JihadJane said:
Police cover-up of sexual abuse in Leon Brittan's former constituency:

Former Whitby MP Interviewed by Police
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Some of that blog entry may be factually true, some of it may be a distortion of the truth and some of it may be a complete lie.

The entry in question throws all kinds of stuff at the wall and hopes that it will stick in a Gish Gallop through various alleged sex offences in North Yorkshire and attempts to link them to the former Home Secretary.
 
Information Analyst said:
These are very different allegations to the Yewtree ones, and there have been whispering of them for a long time, but there always seemed to be an element of circular thinking at play. The "powerful" would be able to cover up sexual abuse of children, therefore they were able to abuse such children with impunity, or perhaps even carried out that abuse because they could.

However, given that we are talking about a time when being gay was an intolerable security risk for politicians and civil servants, it strikes me as unlikely that, a) MI5 would not work out what was going on, and b) would tolerate such a risk, even on purely pragmatic grounds.
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...raising the question of blackmail by our own security services, or those of other countries?
 
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...raising the question of blackmail by our own security services, or those of other countries?
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I don't know about security services; but I imagine that for someone lacking scruples, knowledge that a particular politician was secretly homosexual or a pederast could be put to various uses. After all, that was the whole reason such things were considered security risks to begin with.
 
The "always known about" makes me remember a friend at Durham university in the 1980s who told me that apparently the Conservative student group had been aware of the sexual preferences of a guest speaker (senior Tory at the time) and was looking for "15 year old rent boys" . At the time this seemed nothing but silly under graduate malicious gossip. But the tory mentioned is one whose name has come up a lot over the last few weeks. I'm trying to contact my old friend to see if he will speak to someone about this.
 
Soapy Sam said:
...raising the question of blackmail by our own security services, or those of other countries?
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This. In the UK there was a quite viscous rivalry between MI5/DI5/SS and MI6/DI6/SIS dating back decades. One agency would have been happy to use such material against the other.

Darat said:
The "always known about" makes me remember a friend at Durham university in the 1980s who told me that apparently the Conservative student group had been aware of the sexual preferences of a guest speaker (senior Tory at the time) and was looking for "15 year old rent boys" . At the time this seemed nothing but silly under graduate malicious gossip. But the tory mentioned is one whose name has come up a lot over the last few weeks. I'm trying to contact my old friend to see if he will speak to someone about this.
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Well, stories about Cyril Smith were circulating for decades.
 
Checkmite said:
I don't know about security services; but I imagine that for someone lacking scruples, knowledge that a particular politician was secretly homosexual or a pederast could be put to various uses. After all, that was the whole reason such things were considered security risks to begin with.
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Which is the precise reason that MI5 wouldn't let it happen. Obviously individuals working in isolation are a different matter, but talk of organised networks is the stuff of conspiracy theories.
 
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Which is the precise reason that MI5 wouldn't let it happen. Obviously individuals working in isolation are a different matter, but talk of organised networks is the stuff of conspiracy theories.
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On top of that the KGB would have LOVED something like this. Could you imagine Gorbachev telling Reagan at a conference (where thatcher is present):

"Reagan, you know the British government? I don't think they're as trustworthy as you think"

*hands Reagan a dossier*
 
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