Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Strozzi]

I have a different position on this.
First off, there are perfectly reasonable non religious people to consider murder abhorrent. Biggest one is probably empathy. We can feel what it is like to be in another person's position.

That said, I want to get into this case. I have read police discussions about burglary cases where the burglar eats food from the home, uses the toilet (some have been known to do that on the bed with a person sleeping on the bed.) Such individuals often graduated to more heinous crimes with to common ones being rape and murder.

That is what I am worried about with Rudy. He will be released and six months to a year later he will rape and murder another woman.

Rudy can cause serious damage to Perugia's police leadership, prosecutors, and the local judges who heard aspects of the case if he tells the truth about what happened that night and how his attorney signalled him not to correct Mignini's scenario. For that reason, the police leadership, Mignini, Comodi, and others have an interest in Rudy being rehabilitated and psychological stable. He is in an education program. Rudy will be placed in a structured and supportive work and living situation when he is released. He will be monitored. He will be instructeon not to discuss the crime with anyone and not to talk to journalists.

If successful, his rehab in prison will change him so that he is no longer a threat to society.

 

[Samson]

Rudy can cause serious damage to Perugia's police leadership, prosecutors, and the local judges who heard aspects of the case if he tells the truth about what happened that night and how his attorney signalled him not to correct Mignini's scenario. For that reason, the police leadership, Mignini, Comodi, and others have an interest in Rudy being rehabilitated and psychological stable. He is in an education program. Rudy will be placed in a structured and supportive work and living situation when he is released. He will be monitored. He will be instructeon not to discuss the crime with anyone and not to talk to journalists.

If successful, his rehab in prison will change him so that he is no longer a threat to society.

I fail to see how he can be construed as unthreatening to society if Raffaele languishes in jail for a crime Rudy committed. I am not suggesting you support his release per se, but this would be the most obviously grave injustice in the history of Western judicial process. I must protest at a Rudy at large contemporaneously with a Raffaele in captivity.
Only Stephanie and Lyle Kercher will be fine with this, because he was legally and judicially merely sexually aroused as Raffaele knifed their sister.





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[Desert Fox]

Rudy can cause serious damage to Perugia's police leadership, prosecutors, and the local judges who heard aspects of the case if he tells the truth about what happened that night and how his attorney signalled him not to correct Mignini's scenario. For that reason, the police leadership, Mignini, Comodi, and others have an interest in Rudy being rehabilitated and psychological stable. He is in an education program. Rudy will be placed in a structured and supportive work and living situation when he is released. He will be monitored. He will be instructeon not to discuss the crime with anyone and not to talk to journalists.

If successful, his rehab in prison will change him so that he is no longer a threat to society.

How can the rehab be successful if the actual cause of his activity is not addressed? Rudy is still admitting no guilt so how can psychologists address this issues which may have caused him to rape and murder her in the first place.

 

[Dan O.]

If they have advanced the state of behavioral science to the point of being able to identify criminals just by watching how they behave then surely they will be able to identify Rudy's psychological problems by the way he walks. All they need is to find the right corrective shoes and Rudy will be another perfect member of society.

 

[Grinder]

hammer discus javelin cricket handball netball baseball softball bowls gridiron shotput basketball.

Come on Grinder, you called me and I had a fair hand. I won.

The throwing action is the best analogy, and from Denver's article

His basketball trainer Roberto Segolini said Rudy was friends with everyone and never missed a training session. Where he could prove his worth and show success to his new high-status family, Rudy thrived.

Do you know Denver?

You won nothing. There is no shot in the game of basketball that resembles a shot put, period. Why didn't you use a 2 year old throwing a baseball with two hands to prove that it was a baseball move?

You were making a point that Rudi could use his basketball training with the shot put move and that is false.

Btw, Tesla, the Denver article using two of the most distrusted of all the authors makes it that Rudi didn't have rent problems, was still cared for by his adopted mother and had ongoing work opportunities.

 

[Bill Williams]

Do you know Denver?

You won nothing. There is no shot in the game of basketball that resembles a shot put, period. Why didn't you use a 2 year old throwing a baseball with two hands to prove that it was a baseball move?

You were making a point that Rudi could use his basketball training with the shot put move and that is false.

Btw, Tesla, the Denver article using two of the most distrusted of all the authors makes it that Rudi didn't have rent problems, was still cared for by his adopted mother and had ongoing work opportunities.

Distrusted by whom? For what reason?

Sometimes there needs to be a Grinder to respond to Grinder.

 

[jhunter1163]

Do you know Denver?

You won nothing. There is no shot in the game of basketball that resembles a shot put, period. Why didn't you use a 2 year old throwing a baseball with two hands to prove that it was a baseball move?

You were making a point that Rudi could use his basketball training with the shot put move and that is false.

Btw, Tesla, the Denver article using two of the most distrusted of all the authors makes it that Rudi didn't have rent problems, was still cared for by his adopted mother and had ongoing work opportunities.

George McGinnis was quite successful using a one-handed jumper that looked very much like a shot-putter's throw. To be fair, though, he was the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Desert Fox]

Do you know Denver?

You won nothing. There is no shot in the game of basketball that resembles a shot put, period. Why didn't you use a 2 year old throwing a baseball with two hands to prove that it was a baseball move?

You were making a point that Rudi could use his basketball training with the shot put move and that is false.

Btw, Tesla, the Denver article using two of the most distrusted of all the authors makes it that Rudi didn't have rent problems, was still cared for by his adopted mother and had ongoing work opportunities.

He is a reasonably athletic person. . . .Throwing a rock through an upper window seems something within his area of ability.

 

[Grinder]

George McGinnis was quite successful using a one-handed jumper that looked very much like a shot-putter's throw. To be fair, though, he was the exception rather than the rule.

I don't see anything that a shot put shot anything like the video posted of the YT stunt. Here, here or here

To be fair he does have a piston motion that is unusual.

 

[Grinder]

Distrusted by whom? For what reason?

Sometimes there needs to be a Grinder to respond to Grinder.

I know Grinder. Grinder is a friend of mine. You are no Grinder.

The PIP distrust Paul Russell, Graham Johnson and Luciano Garofano while the PGP feel the same way about Nina.

 

[jhunter1163]

I don't see anything that a shot put shot anything like the video posted of the YT stunt. Here, here or here

To be fair he does have a piston motion that is unusual.

It's not exactly like a shotputter, but more than most, and as I said it's the exception rather than the rule. Anyone claiming that a shotputter's motion is anything like a typical basketball shot doesn't have much familiarity with either basketball or field events.

 

[Grinder]

He is a reasonably athletic person. . . .Throwing a rock through an upper window seems something within his area of ability.

Dear god - Of course he can throw a rock from the parking area through the window - it's only 15 feet or less and the rock was around 10 lbs. I could throw it that far. I will test this on Anglo's place

The contention was that Rudi could use his shot put style learned in basketball which is bs.

 

[Grinder]

It's not exactly like a shotputter, but more than most, and as I said it's the exception rather than the rule. Anyone claiming that a shotputter's motion is anything like a typical basketball shot doesn't have much familiarity with either basketball or field events.

Absolutely. Thanks for the reference as I'd either never noticed the shot or had forgotten.

Did you ever see Elgin Baylor play? He was something else and maybe the least appreciated super star.

 

[jhunter1163]

Absolutely. Thanks for the reference as I'd either never noticed the shot or had forgotten.

Did you ever see Elgin Baylor play? He was something else and maybe the least appreciated super star.

I never saw Baylor play; I started watching a little later, mid- to late-70's, the era of Kareem and Dr. J. At the risk of sounding like an old fuddy-duddy, I think the players of that era would wipe the floor with the players of today; the decline in fundamentals over the last 30 years is shocking. I remember the Nuggets of the mid-80s averaging something like 120 points a game for a season; that's an offensive output you might see 10 times per year per team today.

ETA: The 1981-82 Nuggets were never held under 100 points in any game during the entire season. Obviously a record that will never be broken; it will never even be approached, IMO.

 

[acbytesla]

He is a reasonably athletic person. . . .Throwing a rock through an upper window seems something within his area of ability.

I'm really not sure why he would have to throw the rock up. From the parking lot it is an easy underhanded toss.

 

[acbytesla]

Do you know Denver?

You won nothing. There is no shot in the game of basketball that resembles a shot put, period. Why didn't you use a 2 year old throwing a baseball with two hands to prove that it was a baseball move?

You were making a point that Rudi could use his basketball training with the shot put move and that is false.

Btw, Tesla, the Denver article using two of the most distrusted of all the authors makes it that Rudi didn't have rent problems, was still cared for by his adopted mother and had ongoing work opportunities.

You know Grinder, I don't think he was as desperate in terms of "oh my god" he was about to get thrown out of his apartment as others have said. While I do believe his rent was due and maybe he didn't want to go back and tell his adoptive parents that he didn't have the rent. I'm not sure his motivation was desperation as it was want and envy and the thrill of it.

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm really not sure why he would have to throw the rock up. From the parking lot it is an easy underhanded toss.

I may not be clear where everything is. . . .Just trying to make clear that even if thrown upwards would not be a major problem for somebody fairly athletic.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

McGinnis's jumper

George McGinnis was quite successful using a one-handed jumper that looked very much like a shot-putter's throw. To be fair, though, he was the exception rather than the rule.

That was a very sweet shot.

 

[xinonix]

Rudy was friends with the guys who lived in the 1st floor apartment. He watched an automobile race on their tv. Rudy would have noticed the girl's coming in and out of that house and he would have asked his friends about them, all the Italians went somewhere that holiday week end he would have seen Amanda waiting tables at le Chic so he would have expected Amanda would not be home that night.
It seems to me that he would not expect that there would be anything worth stealing in the girls apartment.
Rudy lived in the neighborhood, burglars usually go somewhere else to steal. It is highly unlikely he was there to do a burglary. There must be some reason why someone wanted Meridith dead and they paid Rudy a great deal of money. Rudy was caught in Germany, which is on the other side of Switzerland he may have put the money in a Swiss bank.

OK, that doesn't prove Rudy was paid to kill Meridith. But it seems like Mignini and the Perugia police must have had something to hide.
So what we Americans should do is keep trying to figure out why Rudy killed Meridith and how the police were involved until they leave Amanda and her boyfriend alone. While we may never know what really happened they don't know that we won't know so they might leave Amanda alone.

 

[Grinder]

OTOH the sloppy CSI and lab work is provably wrong and the machine was operated improperly. And the manufacturer may have designed it with a flaw in its calibration mechanism...How else can one explain Stefanoni's results? Huh Grinder?


Sue the Qubit people too. The kit manufacturer sue em.... Sue the rubber glove people for failing to put reminders of the need to be changed after every stinking sample! WTH...sue em all.....muhaaahaaaaaaahaaaa!!!!!! Who cares what the reporters get right or wrong. At some point some serious (not Italian) scientists will come forward...and not just the sock puppets...like Hampikan and, and, and Grinder.

Randy I've made it quite clear that I defer to others on DNA.

I would think a short very elementary description of what is wrong with the two key pieces of evidence (clasp and knife) would be useful. Maybe the defense could use parts of it in their appeal.

It would be great to cover this from collection to testing. I would like to know how Meredith's DNA could have found it's way to the knife without any other DNA being on it. What do the negative control tests tell us. Clearly there is something there that shouldn't be but how does it turn into Meredith's DNA and only hers? Before someone that is reading comprehensively challenged starts bleating about this, I realize that those tests needed to be thrown out that were done at that time. Remember if the presentation is to work in Italy contamination must be explained, at least a little.

What does it mean that Stefanoni stopped using one machine? Did the DNA she found actually match Meredith or did she match alleles she knew Meredith had?

Certainly the quality of the work does not rise to the level of evidence but I would like to see it shown in the most basic language possible.