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Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Desert Fox said:
This is part of the problem. . . .
Assume that Rudy is just a normal burglar. Even if she sees him and can identify him, maybe he gets a few months in jail?
The fact that he did not do that but instead went after her, ripped her clothes off, and raped her indicates a very dangerous personality.
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But here is part of that problem DF. Rudy lives in the neighborhood. Rudy's hangout is the Piazza basketball court and the guys that live in the cottage are sure to find out. Rudy would be persona non grata at his hangouts if this story gets out. That is the danger of burglarizing from people you know.
 
acbytesla said:
But here is part of that problem DF. Rudy lives in the neighborhood. Rudy's hangout is the Piazza basketball court and the guys that live in the cottage are sure to find out. Rudy would be persona non grata at his hangouts if this story gets out. That is the danger of burglarizing from people you know.
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A "pro" would not go after a place in their neighborhood.
Shows he was not a pro in any real sense.
I think he had done a number burglaries though.
I also do not think he was working with anybody when he did this.

The thing is that I consider it pretty likely he a ticking time bomb with issues.
Eventually, he was going to rape and murder a woman.
Maybe, I am wrong and he will not be a danger when he is released.
Even so, I think a high level of concern is warranted.
 
Rudy may have been both a burglar and a fence.
I wouldn't say he was a proffessional burglar though, if he was, he would have broken into a house that had something of value inside it.
Now he wasn't a real fence, he worked for the police.
He was given cash by the police which he used to buy things that other thieves had stolen. This way he got to know who the local burglars were. As part of the deal the police must have not arrested anyone until some time had passed since Rudy told them about a particular thief and they had other reasons to arrest that perp.
Rudy was highly qualified for this job because he was someone who nobody would suspect was working for the police.
The night Meredith was killed he was working as an assassin.
I suppose I can't prove any of this stuff, but 2 innocent people were framed for murder so that Rudy could get his sentence reduced, so we know that somebody owed him a big favor for something.
 
xinonix said:
Rudy may have been both a burglar and a fence.
I wouldn't say he was a proffessional burglar though, if he was, he would have broken into a house that had something of value inside it.
Now he wasn't a real fence, he worked for the police.
He was given cash by the police which he used to buy things that other thieves had stolen. This way he got to know who the local burglars were. As part of the deal the police must have not arrested anyone until some time had passed since Rudy told them about a particular thief and they had other reasons to arrest that perp.
Rudy was highly qualified for this job because he was someone who nobody would suspect was working for the police.
The night Meredith was killed he was working as an assassin.
I suppose I can't prove any of this stuff, but 2 innocent people were framed for murder so that Rudy could get his sentence reduced, so we know that somebody owed him a big favor for something.
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I have to ask straight up, what is so special about Meredith that she needed to be assassinated? She seems to be your average girl, maybe that drank and smoked a bit more pot than she should.
 
acbytesla said:
But here is part of that problem DF. Rudy lives in the neighborhood. Rudy's hangout is the Piazza basketball court and the guys that live in the cottage are sure to find out. Rudy would be persona non grata at his hangouts if this story gets out. That is the danger of burglarizing from people you know.
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You're amazing (not in the good way). You argued that when CT allegedly threw Rudi out of two bars after recognizing him as a man that had broken into his house at night (does that make Rudi a pro it's so confusing) and pulled a knife but he'd be a person non grata in this case. Come on Tesla after a couple of weeks no one would care...like you said about Domus.
 
Grinder said:
You're amazing (not in the good way). You argued that when CT allegedly threw Rudi out of two bars after recognizing him as a man that had broken into his house at night (does that make Rudi a pro it's so confusing) and pulled a knife but he'd be a person non grata in this case. Come on Tesla after a couple of weeks no one would care...like you said about Domus.
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I am amazing aren't I? I think there is a difference between a bar and having all your friends know that you're a burglar. Meredith knows Rudy by NAME. CT only knows him by sight.
 
"I have to ask straight up, what is so special about Meredith that she needed to be assassinated?"

That is a question that we need to find an answer to.
I read about how she was killed by Rudy because he was in the house to commit a burglary and when Meridith came home he killed her so that she would not be a witness to his crime.
I just can't believe someone would kill Meredith for that reason.
Maybe that is because I am a Christian so I believe human life is sacred, but we also must consider that Rudy has committed other burglaries and was not punished, I don't think he would commit a murder to avoid being caught for burglary.
What he could have done is used toilet paper to wrap up his head like he was a mummy and ran while holding his knife and Meridith would have just let him pass, and then he could have run away and Meridith would not see his face.
According to the autopsy it appears he did something like what the marines call a "sentry removal". To kill a sentry without making any noise that would alert the guys he was guarding, you make a sneak attack and slash the sentry's throat. If done right the victim is disabled as soon as he knows he is attacked, and cannot scream.
Rudy had those computers so he could have googled murder and learned about this technique. He was not able to practice it so he did a sloppy job and a bone got in the way of his knife and he had to make 3 cuts. Therefore he had already decided he was gonna kill Meridith, and that is why he was there.
 
xinonix said:

That is a question that we need to find an answer to.
I read about how she was killed by Rudy because he was in the house to commit a burglary and when Meridith came home he killed her so that she would not be a witness to his crime.
I just can't believe someone would kill Meredith for that reason.
Maybe that is because I am a Christian so I believe human life is sacred, but we also must consider that Rudy has committed other burglaries and was not punished, I don't think he would commit a murder to avoid being caught for burglary.
What he could have done is used toilet paper to wrap up his head like he was a mummy and ran while holding his knife and Meridith would have just let him pass, and then he could have run away and Meridith would not see his face.
According to the autopsy it appears he did something like what the marines call a "sentry removal". To kill a sentry without making any noise that would alert the guys he was guarding, you make a sneak attack and slash the sentry's throat. If done right the victim is disabled as soon as he knows he is attacked, and cannot scream.
Rudy had those computers so he could have googled murder and learned about this technique. He was not able to practice it so he did a sloppy job and a bone got in the way of his knife and he had to make 3 cuts. Therefore he had already decided he was gonna kill Meridith, and that is why he was there.
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I have a different position on this.
First off, there are perfectly reasonable non religious people to consider murder abhorrent. Biggest one is probably empathy. We can feel what it is like to be in another person's position.

That said, I want to get into this case. I have read police discussions about burglary cases where the burglar eats food from the home, uses the toilet (some have been known to do that on the bed with a person sleeping on the bed.) Such individuals often graduated to more heinous crimes with to common ones being rape and murder.

That is what I am worried about with Rudy. He will be released and six months to a year later he will rape and murder another woman.
 
xinonix said:
"I have to ask straight up, what is so special about Meredith that she needed to be assassinated?"

That is a question that we need to find an answer to.
I read about how she was killed by Rudy because he was in the house to commit a burglary and when Meridith came home he killed her so that she would not be a witness to his crime.
I just can't believe someone would kill Meredith for that reason.
Maybe that is because I am a Christian so I believe human life is sacred, but we also must consider that Rudy has committed other burglaries and was not punished, I don't think he would commit a murder to avoid being caught for burglary.
What he could have done is used toilet paper to wrap up his head like he was a mummy and ran while holding his knife and Meridith would have just let him pass, and then he could have run away and Meridith would not see his face.According to the autopsy it appears he did something like what the marines call a "sentry removal". To kill a sentry without making any noise that would alert the guys he was guarding, you make a sneak attack and slash the sentry's throat. If done right the victim is disabled as soon as he knows he is attacked, and cannot scream.
Rudy had those computers so he could have googled murder and learned about this technique. He was not able to practice it so he did a sloppy job and a bone got in the way of his knife and he had to make 3 cuts. Therefore he had already decided he was gonna kill Meridith, and that is why he was there.
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I bet he wishes he would have thought of that (maybe there was not enough TP I noticed some girls kept a roll on their nightstands...or you know what else...he could have used that wrapping paper that Stefanoni used to wrap that mop....wait a darn minute....is this you there Stefanoni?

I personally think MK discovered him sitting on the toilet and yelled and screamed and ran back to her room...he killed her to silence her...he didn't have time to think and do something logical...no reason to assassinate the girl though...unless you know something we don't! I bet she was trying to find/use her phone.
 
RandyN said:
I personally think MK discovered him sitting on the toilet and yelled and screamed and ran back to her room...he killed her to silence her...he didn't have time to think and do something logical...no reason to assassinate the girl though...unless you know something we don't! I bet she was trying to find/use her phone.
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Don't know if you are right and I think most likely we will never know.
Still, it is pretty reasonable although it at least points to a violent tendency and a willingness to kill. His unwillingness even now to admit he committed the crime and blame innocents does indicate he is a sociopathic personality.
 
xinonix said:
"I have to ask straight up, what is so special about Meredith that she needed to be assassinated?"

That is a question that we need to find an answer to.
I read about how she was killed by Rudy because he was in the house to commit a burglary and when Meridith came home he killed her so that she would not be a witness to his crime.
I just can't believe someone would kill Meredith for that reason.
Maybe that is because I am a Christian so I believe human life is sacred, but we also must consider that Rudy has committed other burglaries and was not punished, I don't think he would commit a murder to avoid being caught for burglary.
What he could have done is used toilet paper to wrap up his head like he was a mummy and ran while holding his knife and Meridith would have just let him pass, and then he could have run away and Meridith would not see his face.
According to the autopsy it appears he did something like what the marines call a "sentry removal". To kill a sentry without making any noise that would alert the guys he was guarding, you make a sneak attack and slash the sentry's throat. If done right the victim is disabled as soon as he knows he is attacked, and cannot scream.
Rudy had those computers so he could have googled murder and learned about this technique. He was not able to practice it so he did a sloppy job and a bone got in the way of his knife and he had to make 3 cuts. Therefore he had already decided he was gonna kill Meridith, and that is why he was there.
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I don't think you're ever going to get that answer xinonix. It would be nice but I'm not expecting it.

I'm not a Christian, in fact, I'm an agnostic/atheist and I believe human life is sacred as well.

Rudy might have been able to do a lot of things and still get out. Maybe he had that need to assert himself as a man? Impossible to really know without Rudy owning up to what he did and telling the world.
 
acbytesla said:
So you admit there is no proof that he was a fence?
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Rudy was no fence...but he may have used one to climb up to the second story window...ask DanO's mom.


Just imagine that your freedom and life are in jeopardy and meanwhile we yack about fences. Or luminol still.

As if these are relevant matters in this case. But they are not!

OTOH the sloppy CSI and lab work is provably wrong and the machine was operated improperly. And the manufacturer may have designed it with a flaw in its calibration mechanism...How else can one explain Stefanoni's results? Huh Grinder?

Maybe Kermit is bored and could make you up a hopping (get it) power point presentation that no one will pay any attention to either ...like his other ones.

Sue someone and get the matter into a court not in Italy because nothing related to this case is getting a fair trial in Italy. After 6 years any dolt should be able to figure that one out.

The ECOHR is another crippled snail IMHO. Knox and Sollecito will be eligible for pension before the matter is settled.

Get the lab records and start suing. This is not a frivolous lawsuit...there are several opportunities here just like in good ole USA...someone hurt in an accident at work ...even when the employer is clearly negligent is not able to sue the employer...thanks to workers comp laws...so what happens? The Anglos of the world go after anyone and everyone else...the subs, the ladder manufacturer, the electrical cord manufacturer...etc.

Sue emmm...make um answer how it is possible to twist knobs on their machines so as to give false results. Dont they understand that corrupt countries like Italy will use their machines to get fake results and then convict innocent persons? Sure they know...or is there a big red warning label about running zero picogram ( 0 ton) sized samples? There should be cuz they do that in Italy regularly apparently.

Sue the Qubit people too. The kit manufacturer sue em.... Sue the rubber glove people for failing to put reminders of the need to be changed after every stinking sample! WTH...sue em all.....muhaaahaaaaaaahaaaa!!!!!! Who cares what the reporters get right or wrong. At some point some serious (not Italian) scientists will come forward...and not just the sock puppets...like Hampikan and, and, and Grinder.

WhereTH are the real scientists lined up laughing their behinds off at the Italian methods? This should be happening. The machine manufacturer should already be defending themselves but they are not... and why not? CUZ no one is suing them that's why!

SUE I SAY!!!! WHO cares what that shakes out in Italy...they need to be fixed DNA lab wise anyway...that is as apparent as the meaning of the luminol traces. Yes sue the luminol people too. WTH....


ETA....Bill I have yet to lose an argument to you so why would I be mad? You argue like Massei.
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xinonix said:
Rudy may have been both a burglar and a fence.
I wouldn't say he was a proffessional burglar though, if he was, he would have broken into a house that had something of value inside it.
Now he wasn't a real fence, he worked for the police.
He was given cash by the police which he used to buy things that other thieves had stolen. This way he got to know who the local burglars were. As part of the deal the police must have not arrested anyone until some time had passed since Rudy told them about a particular thief and they had other reasons to arrest that perp.
Rudy was highly qualified for this job because he was someone who nobody would suspect was working for the police.
The night Meredith was killed he was working as an assassin.
I suppose I can't prove any of this stuff, but 2 innocent people were framed for murder so that Rudy could get his sentence reduced, so we know that somebody owed him a big favor for something.
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This seems like a pretty far out theory. There's no evidence of any reason why anyone would want Meredith assassinated, no evidence that any such person had inside knowledge of when Meredith would be at home alone in order to assassinate her, and Rudy's behaviour in the house before she arrived makes even less sense in the context of premeditated murder - a burglar with certain inclinations might mess about with the food in the fridge and take a dump but someone planning to kill would have to be extremely dumb to do that. He didn't even wear gloves while carrying out the attack.

It seems to me that this theory doesn't explain anything that isn't adequately explained already by a delusional prosecutor and corrupt and incompetent police, and it has all sorts of additional problems which need to be explained away.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
This seems like a pretty far out theory. There's no evidence of any reason why anyone would want Meredith assassinated, no evidence that any such person had inside knowledge of when Meredith would be at home alone in order to assassinate her, and Rudy's behaviour in the house before she arrived makes even less sense in the context of premeditated murder - a burglar with certain inclinations might mess about with the food in the fridge and take a dump but someone planning to kill would have to be extremely dumb to do that. He didn't even wear gloves while carrying out the attack.

It seems to me that this theory doesn't explain anything that isn't adequately explained already by a delusional prosecutor and corrupt and incompetent police, and it has all sorts of additional problems which need to be explained away.
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Not if you figure the assassin staged the scene to look like someone staged the scene to look like he did it.
 
Grinder said:
Gee there was only one guy on the court because it wasn't a basketball shot but a stunt. Rudi never used a shot put move on the court - I guarantee it.
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Come on Grinder, you called me and I had a fair hand. I won.

The throwing action is the best analogy, and from Denver's article

His basketball trainer Roberto Segolini said Rudy was friends with everyone and never missed a training session. Where he could prove his worth and show success to his new high-status family, Rudy thrived.
 
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