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Seven dead in drive by California shootings

deadrose said:
So did anyone besides me notice he was fascist & racist?
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I actually didn't notice he was racist. What makes you say this? I mean, he says that girls don't like Asians, but he is half Asian, so this seems to indicate not racism so much on his part as frustration with his perceived racism on the part of other people.
He talks about how much he liked his African-American nanny, etc....what makes you say he's racist?

ETA: Never mind, I remember now. There was an incident where he complained that he was better than some black guy, because the black guy was descended from slaves, whereas HE was half-white.
 
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quadraginta said:
You don't see any room for graduations of how serious the theft is?

A five year old swiping a cookie out of the jar is the same as a teenager swiping one of mom's cigarettes is the same as a B&E is the same as robbing a bank?

Do you think all thefts deserve the same punishment?

Do you think that a death sentence is the appropriate punishment?
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LOL! I missed this post, sorry. It was great, thanks. :biggrin:

Death sentence - heh.
 
Doghouse: Things like this quote on page 84:
How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.
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I can get more if you want, it's just a pain to retype them since I can't copy & paste from it.
 
William Parcher said:
Calling the police and having your roommate arrested for two candles. Basically the guy moved them from one part of the apartment to another and when they were found by the cop they were laying on the roommate's bed.

You took them.
No I didn't.
Yes you did.
No I didn't.
I'm calling the cops.

That is a Seinfeld episode not an indication that Mr. Asperger is all cool.
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Fine; but do you truly see insanity in that scenario?

It just seems like immaturity to me.
 
Checkmite said:
Fine; but do you truly see insanity in that scenario?

It just seems like immaturity to me.
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Yes it was a sign of his insanity for sure. Shooting people could also be explained as immature if you want. Kids do things like that instead of working things out. Just more immaturity, eh?
 
William Parcher said:
Yes it was a sign of his insanity for sure. Shooting people could also be explained as immature if you want. Kids do things like that instead of working things out. Just more immaturity, eh?
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Somebody could end up shooting someone else as a result of an immature thought process, sure. Why do you seem to think this is a ridiculous notion?

The guy didn't shoot anyone for stealing his candles; he just called the police. Police deal with things like theft, after all; on a basic level that's what they're there for.

Now if he'd called the police because his roommates kept wearing green - that would be closer to "insanity".
 
Checkmite said:
Somebody could end up shooting someone else as a result of an immature thought process, sure. Why do you seem to think this is a ridiculous notion?
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Context.


Now if he'd called the police because his roommates kept wearing green - that would be closer to "insanity".
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You have taught me that that is just more immaturity. You only know when something is insane when Checkmite says it is.
 
Stellafane said:
If you stick with this article -- I mean, really stick with it -- what the author says makes a great deal of sense. The author's anger is certainly understandable, and in my opinion may be quite justified.
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Can't say that I agree.
The first sentence doesn't even make sense, as the author seems have missed about 40 years of The Troubles, for a start.
 
Dissolution said:
Can't say that I agree.
The first sentence doesn't even make sense, as the author seems have missed about 40 years of The Troubles, for a start.
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The article does start rather slowly and not particularly strongly, I'll give you that. That's why I recommended sticking with it. But once the author finds her feet -- or perhaps works through a bit of her self-acknowledged rage -- I think she stands on firmer ground.
 
Stellafane said:
The article does start rather slowly and not particularly strongly, I'll give you that. That's why I recommended sticking with it. But once the author finds her feet -- or perhaps works through a bit of her self-acknowledged rage -- I think she stands on firmer ground.
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The "blame an '-ism/ist'" arguments are weak--at best. I'm surprised (well, not anymore) that so few people here call out the fallacies of the argument.

Can we find another suffix to blame our problems on?
 
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Baylor said:
The "blame an '-ism'" arguments are weak--at best. I'm surprised (well, not anymore) that so few people here call out the fallacies of the argument.

Can we find another suffix to blame our problems on?
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Two points: (1) I'm not prepared to dismiss as "weak" all arguments that point to certain "-isms" (assuming I'm using the word the way you intend it) as a contributing factor to a particular problem. Some "-isms" do indeed have profound impacts on behavior and society, racism being a rather obvious case-in-point. And (2), I think it's a bit simplistic to characterize the cited article as a "blame an '-ism'" piece, although I suppose it could be interpreted as such. I believe the author's primary point is that this recent event appears congruent with the tenets of a certain extreme philosophy, and it's therefore entirely justifiable to examine whether or not that philosophy may have played a contributory role in the tragedy.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
There's a story author Lawrence Miles talks about getting a psychiatric evaluation in which he was diagnosed as schizophrenic. Then he mentally reviewed the evaluation and pointed out to the doctor that when he'd been talking about the "big brains" that controlled the world he didn't mean it literally and was instead talking about people such as the Prime Minister and the POTUS in a metaphorical way.
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Is that the Doctor Who author Miles? In which case I think such as diagnosis has some validity.

BenBurch said:
It's not hard to find a hooker if nothing else. Hollywood is full of them.
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He needed ego validation at least as much as sex.

colander said:
Ritalin is a stimulant prescribed for attention deficit disorders to aid focus. Think coffee, but a little stronger.



No.



It's also been used by millions of perfectly non-murderous schoolchildren.
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And is a popular recreational item in suburbia.

Ranb said:
JREF forum is anti-gun to the core and moderated as such. This should be obvious to the most casual observer.

Ranb
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:rolleyes:.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Especially considering the fact that this shooter's family was not American, but was from London, and that he lived there until he was 5.
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So, tell us how spending the first five years of a person's life in London is going to be a grounding in spree killing? Because obviously it happens all the time here, right?
 
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Once again, to make it clear - the reason why people are suggesting extreme misogyny was a driving factor behind this crime is because it's the reason the killer gave.

So many times one of these mass murder events happens, and when it comes to the "why" we're basically stuck with "we'll never really know", only having to settle for ambiguous clues derived from web search histories or posters the guy had taped up in his room, or conflicting witness statements about what the guy said during the rampage or what not.

Here we have a case where the killer helpfully left this tome behind where he lays out, in excruciating, disgusting, microscopic detail, his thought processes leading up to his killing spree. Women are evil, women are animals, they don't deserve rights, they have rejected me and failed to have sex with me and for that they deserve to die, and I will kill as many of them and the men they've chosen instead of me as I can, he says. And in the face of this incredible and highly concise confession, people insist on second-guessing misogyny as his motive. Either it's "he killed a lot of people and so was obviously crazy, thus his motives aren't really that important" or "a couple of sentences in his pages-long screed against women mentioned also hating the men those women had sex with instead of him, so obviously he hated everyone the same and wasn't especially misogynist". It's amazing. Fantastical. Mind-boggling.

Seriously, if some guy were to shoot up an inner-city school and left a note saying "I shall purge this great white country of all the (expletive beginning with the letter N)s, starting with this school", would his bullets hitting a few of the white students make anyone say "well now wait a moment here, let's not jump to the conclusion that racism had anything to do with what this guy did"?
 
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