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Seven dead in drive by California shootings

qayak said:
Or what if he had access to a swimming pool store! There's no telling how many would have died had he thrown swimming pools into a sorority house!
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Please stop and think about what it must be like for someone who has lost a child to drowning to read your post.

There is nothing funny about swimming pool safety.
 
Autolite said:
Remember where you are at WildCat. Knife murders do not support the anti-gun agenda so they don't count on this forum.

It reminds me of an article I read reference the mass stabbing that happened in Calgary Alberta a few weeks ago. Five people were killed and it was a 100% fatality rate using only a knife, yet the writer still managed to assign partial blame on the American NRA.

Go figure...
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It seems pretty obvious that knife murders as a class support gun ownership. It's the one sure way to defeat the anti-gun arguments. This is probably why the NRA supports increasing the number of knife murders - a solid strategy.

I'd even wager that if people would simply quit killing each other with guns and switch to knives, this whole "get rid of guns" thing would disappear. The more knife murders, the better things get for gun owners.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
And this is part of the problem: the idea that if you pay for sex, you're a lesser person.
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That idea is not implicit in the post you quoted.

They guy wanted sex. The primary reason he wanted sex was to be acknowledged. He wanted to be recognized as being worth giving a physical and emotional bond to freely. There are many aspects of his desires (if not the reasoning and self-entitlement!) that I sympathize and recognize. Paying for sex would not have covered this in the least. His motivations for wanting sex simply didn't lead to only the physical act itself.
 
tyr_13 said:
That idea is not implicit in the post you quoted.

They guy wanted sex. The primary reason he wanted sex was to be acknowledged. He wanted to be recognized as being worth giving a physical and emotional bond to freely. There are many aspects of his desires (if not the reasoning and self-entitlement!) that I sympathize and recognize. Paying for sex would not have covered this in the least. His motivations for wanting sex simply didn't lead to only the physical act itself.
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Yes. On the PUAhate message board, I remember he posted that it wasn't just the sex, but the validation that was equally, if not more, important.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
If a woman wants to sell sex, and a man wants to buy, why is this illegal?
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Well, it's kind of veering off topic, but George Carlin put it pretty well when he asked why in the world sex was the only thing on Earth that was legal to give away for free, but illegal to sell.

It makes absolutely no sense for it to be illegal. Any other legal act that human beings are capable of doing, it is legal to charge for performing. But not sex. I believe it's just due to religious sexual hang-ups, and that women and men would be far better off if prostitution were legalized.
 
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Doghouse Reilly said:
Nope, none of it on campus. It's very inaccurate to call it a UCSB shooting, although the area is populated in large part by UCSB students.
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That's correct, but it's a distinction without much of a difference. They directly abut each other. You walk down a dead end street and the other side of the dead end is the campus. There are various UCSB facilities in Isla Vista. I lived there when I first came here and although the same age as many of the students, I was considered an "outsider". The fact that the area is somewhat isolated from other parts of town contributes to the sense of "town/gown" separation.
 
SezMe said:
I'd be happy to try as soon as you tell me what "incels" are.
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I think it stands for "involuntarily celibate". It's what people like the subject of this thread refer to themselves and each other as on their websites.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
I'm of the view that even mentally disturbed people can be very influenced by ideas; I don't subscribe to the view that events like these are deterministic. I think he found an ideology that allowed him to blame other people for his failures and intensified those feelings. He may have found something else had it not been for misogynism, but it's difficult to say.

For an extreme comparison: If he had believed that Jews were to blame for his failures and subscribed to World Jewry youtube channels, even if none of those actually advocated murdering Jews, don't you think it would be fair to say that he was influenced by the antisemitism movement?

You can't really place the blame for the event on anyone but him and possibly a system that failed to care for him properly, but I still think it is important and interesting to show how some movements attracts and reinforces the ideas of disturbed people.
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That's a good post. I think you're on to something. Some ideologies are outright toxic, even if their adherents don't automatically turn into murderers.

SimplyAghast said:
We certainly have limited information at some point. But you really don't think that a guy who goes around on a shooting spree and takes out a half-dozen people and who has three dead bodies in his apartment and who wrote a 100,000-word manifesto and whose parents tried to get him help a few months ago MIGHT have a little more going on in his head than misogyny?

That's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was motivated to kill primarily by hunger.

(And also keep in mind that his statements reflect misandry as well. We seem to be forgetting that he hated men, too.)
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SimplyAghast said:
As I stated before, I am not blaming the rampage on his Asperger's. I am saying that a person who does such a thing CLEARLY HAS SOME MASSIVE MENTAL ISSUES OUTSIDE OF ASPERGER'S. Shouldn't we blame those before we blame misogyny? Or his misandry? Or his all-around disdain for humanity?

Are you saying that homosexuality was a motivating factor for Jeffrey Dahmer?

Are you saying that technophobia was THE PRIMARY REASON that the Unabomber did all of that Unabombing?

I'm just saying that when you look at this event, it's unfair to try and blame "MRAs" or whatever community he was into. He did something indicative of "crazy." Why blame misogyny instead of "crazy?"
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You really, really want to avoid talking about his misogyny, don't you? I wonder why...

Blaming "crazy" is dismissive and counter-productive. It explains nothing and solves nothing. Misogyny is very real and extremely toxic, however, and it can be fought against, even if it'll never completely go away.

Relevant:
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/25/5749480/why-yesallwomen-is-the-most-important-thing-youll-read-today
https://twitter.com/hashtag/YesAllWomen?src=hash

Checkmite said:
I don't think that's fair. The person who made this about misogyny was the killer. How can his views on women be divorced from discussion of the issue when he, himself, described them as his motivation for the killing?
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He wrote a big-ass manifesto about his misogyny, but let's not talk about that because CRAZY YA KNOW, there, done. *wipes hands on pants*

colander said:
Well, I skimmed the manifesto and it's a lot simpler than that. The guy never actually asked anyone out. Instead, he just kind of puttered around town all the time in hopes that his dazzling majesty would cause attractive girls to approach him.
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Yeah, it's kind of amazing how he never really describes an actual rejection to my knowledge. Though I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing because it's quite possibly the best example of tl;dr ever written.

Travis said:
Apparently this is Obama's fault for making everyone think they deserve things. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...e-the-manifesto-of-santa-barbara-mass-slayer/

Check the comments for extra crazy.
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Good gods, no thanks. That's always the mistake I make. Read something awful, then scroll down to the comments, close the browser tab in disgust thinking "why oh why did I scroll down again". I never seem to learn.

Howie Felterbush said:
What really weirded me out, besides the fact that he liked The Phantom Menace, was the strange lottery fixation he went through. What was that all about? Sounded like he got plenty of cash from relatives; he obviously wasn't hurting for money if he could buy Armani gear and drop almost two grand on guns on a whim.
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It's even more hilarious considering how he was so utterly depressed at not winning the lottery. He describes this event as so profoundly shocking... and I didn't see a "in hindsight that was stupid" or "of course it was foolish and silly of me". Nope. Just another devastating event in his poor, wretched spoiled brat life.
 
SezMe said:
That's correct, but it's a distinction without much of a difference. They directly abut each other. You walk down a dead end street and the other side of the dead end is the campus. There are various UCSB facilities in Isla Vista. I lived there when I first came here and although the same age as many of the students, I was considered an "outsider". The fact that the area is somewhat isolated from other parts of town contributes to the sense of "town/gown" separation.
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Yeah, you are right. I lived in Santa Barbara for 5 years and spent a fair bit of time in Isla Vista and agree with your characterization, except I think it's worth noting that there are many, many residents of Isla Vista who are not students at UCSB. A lot of blue-collar Hispanic immigrants live there, for example.
 
Heirloom ivory.

A grade from a professor.

Cribs made before June 28th, 2011.

Lawn Darts.

Oscars (the statue)

ETA: Cross posted. I was busy compiling a definitive list :)
 
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