Seven dead in drive by California shootings

[newyorkguy]

Btw that's a typical pro-gun rights advocate position, to label in advance as dishonest anyone who disagrees. That's standard tactics right out of the NRA/opencarry.org playbook. To pretend differently seems rather...silly.

Actually, I honestly didn't know that. Then again, I've never read the 'NRA/opencarry.org playbook'. Have you got a copy that you can spare???

What would I be doing with an NRA/opencarry.org playbook? If I got a hold of one "they'd" probably have to terminate me!

Btw any particular reason you failed to answer my question?

Is your position pro-gun rights by any chance?

 

[Checkmite]

The incident where Elliot called the police because one of his roommates had "stolen" two candles from him probably shows the mental illness of both him and the roommate.

Hey, theft is theft. It's either wrong or it isn't.

 

[William Parcher]

I didn't say it wasn't theft per se. I meant that it may show the insanity of both parties.

 

[Checkmite]

I don't understand. Somebody stealing candles from him demonstrates his insanity?

 

[Stout]

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...-killings-what-they-were-misogynist-extremism

That sucked

This one's better

 

[ABC10]

LA Times



Not diagnosed with Asperger.
Not obsessed with war games.
Has no friends and is super shy and withdrawn.
Totally unlike himself in the video.

Says a family friend.

Seems far more delusional, sick of mind than the limited sociability of Asperger.
Have no idea how he overcame 3 people killing them with a knife.
Ran over some with his car.
Clearly, the gun is not the main culprit but the mind of this sick guy.

 

[Dissolution]

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...-killings-what-they-were-misogynist-extremism

The first comment totally nails that article.
Using Elliot Rodger as a good example of the PUA/MRA community (one of which I've yet to see any evidence that he was even interested in), is like blaming all Muslims for terrorist attacks performed in the name of Islam.
The guy was clearly mentally ill and his behaviour is completely atypical.
If it hadn't been his virginity, then it would've been something else. He was irrationally angry about everything.

He raged very specifically about humanity and his first victims were male.
There's no doubt that he was a misogynist, but he was also a racist, a fascist and a misanthrope.
He hated everyone.

 

[William Parcher]

I don't understand. Somebody stealing candles from him demonstrates his insanity?

Calling the police and having your roommate arrested for two candles. Basically the guy moved them from one part of the apartment to another and when they were found by the cop they were laying on the roommate's bed.

You took them.
No I didn't.
Yes you did.
No I didn't.
I'm calling the cops.

That is a Seinfeld episode not an indication that Mr. Asperger is all cool.

 

[quadraginta]

Hey, theft is theft. It's either wrong or it isn't.

You don't see any room for graduations of how serious the theft is?

A five year old swiping a cookie out of the jar is the same as a teenager swiping one of mom's cigarettes is the same as a B&E is the same as robbing a bank?

Do you think all thefts deserve the same punishment?

Do you think that a death sentence is the appropriate punishment?

 

[marplots]

In any case I think it might be fair to say that if this crime was committed using only a firearm as a murder weapon then this thread would most likely be dedicated to the unjustified, emotionally driven and irrational vilification of firearm owners.

However, because the alleged perp supposedly knifed three people to death (and IIRC also used his car as a weapon) then it would be foolish to use this incident to stage an 'anti-gun' rant.

Could someone explain this to me? When knives are brought up in defense of gun violence, I can't help but map it to something like, "Why should we try to eradicate small pox and polio since influenza is killing people?"

I don't understand.

 

[jhunter1163]

Not as mod:

There are plenty of posters on both sides of the gun debate. It's one of the hottest, if not the hottest, hot-button issues here. The Mod Team takes no position on either side; to quote the great Tricky, we don't moderate ideas, we moderate behavior.

 

[quadraginta]

I don't understand. Somebody stealing candles from him demonstrates his insanity?

Killing them for it certainly points in that direction.

 

[Checkmite]

That sucked

This one's better

She is wrong that his memoir didn't contain language of entitlement to sex. It was loaded with it. He did often mention that "women found him unworthy of sex", but the context makes it obvious he did not personally support that assessment, but rather was critical of it and felt that the women who made it were flawed. He says so explicitly.

 

[Checkmite]

Killing them for it certainly points in that direction.

I was under the impression that he got a different set of roommates between that incident and his killing spree. In any case, in the document he indicates that his current roommates only have to be killed to "get them out of the way"; he doesn't express any particular hatred toward them as toward the college kids he wants to massacre. He even states he planned to stab them in their sleep, which almost seems (relatively) merciful in comparison to the way he wanted to kill the rest of his intended victims.

 

[deadrose]

So did anyone besides me notice he was fascist & racist?

 

[Autolite]

Could someone explain this to me? When knives are brought up in defense of gun violence, I can't help but map it to something like, "Why should we try to eradicate small pox and polio since influenza is killing people?"

I don't understand.

Because gun control is as effective at preventing violent crime as eating "Life Savers" (Reg.TM) would be as a way of eradicating small pox and polio.

Understand now???

 

[Stout]

She is wrong that his memoir didn't contain language of entitlement to sex. It was loaded with it. He did often mention that "women found him unworthy of sex", but the context makes it obvious he did not personally support that assessment, but rather was critical of it and felt that the women who made it were flawed. He says so explicitly.

Agreed, the point being, of course that there was a heck of a lot more going on in this kid's head than misogyny.

 

[Baylor]

So did anyone besides me notice he was fascist & racist?

Really? No way!

 

[William Parcher]

Aspergers can rob you of humor and compassion and simply being cool. Your roommate takes your two candles and puts them on top if his bed. Instead of laughing your ass off when he denies taking them you call the police. Then you have another chance to not press charges when the cops give you your candles back but instead you proceed.

Then later a guy named Checkmite wonders what's wrong with that whole thing.

 

[marplots]

Could someone explain this to me? When knives are brought up in defense of gun violence, I can't help but map it to something like, "Why should we try to eradicate small pox and polio since influenza is killing people?"

I don't understand.

Because gun control is as effective at preventing violent crime as eating "Life Savers" (Reg.TM) would be as a way of eradicating small pox and polio.

Understand now???

No. Because gun control isn't supposed to prevent violent crime. It's supposed to prevent violent gun crime, a subset of a larger problem. What you are proposing is something like, "Eradicating small pox doesn't cure all disease."

Duh.

But if that's the way gun supporters look at the issue, I guess that's why they keep bringing it up. I see my mistake was in thinking it a considered, rational, coherent objection.