Top Gear racist remark (again)

[colander]

I haven't re-read the entire thread and don't intend to but I'm not getting the feeling that some respondents are "supporters" of the use of that word by Clarkson or any body else. Where do you see this?

I get the feeling that people are making the point that what has happened since the out-take was unearthed is out of proportion to the "crime" committed.

Clarkson said some things and then people expressed their opinions about the matter. As far as I've heard, nothing else happened. Seems pretty well proportionate to me.

 

[angrysoba]

I haven't re-read the entire thread and don't intend to but I'm not getting the feeling that some respondents are "supporters" of the use of that word by Clarkson or any body else. Where do you see this?

I get the feeling that people are making the point that what has happened since the out-take was unearthed is out of proportion to the "crime" committed. That's just my take of course and I'd genuinely like to know why you get the impression that people are supporting the use of the offending word.

It occurs to me that you might be referring to events outside this forum, is that the case?

No, it is not the case. I have been very clear about what I am talking about and I am surprised you seem to keep missing what I have said.

I keep trying to find out why people think Clarkson did NOT use the n-word when it's blatantly obvious that he did.

At first he blustered about the Mirror going "way too far", then he "beg[ged] forgiveness".

For me this is interesting, from an anthropological point of view.

 

[bluesjnr]

Clarkson said some things and then people expressed their opinions about the matter. As far as I've heard, nothing else happened. Seems pretty well proportionate to me.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I think, if we're looking outside this forum, this is disproportionate and this, as well as this. Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman went into full "lets make mileage out of this" mode, on twitter, writing

"Anybody who uses the n-word in public or private in whatever context has no place in the British Broadcasting Corporation."

Indicating an overly pious, self righteous nature that I'm seeing herein which serves to slow down development of a better, more equal society in spite of what "we" think we're achieving.

That's just my opinion, of course.

 

[bluesjnr]

No, it is not the case. I have been very clear about what I am talking about and I am surprised you seem to keep missing what I have said.

I keep trying to find out why people think Clarkson did NOT use the n-word when it's blatantly obvious that he did.

At first he blustered about the Mirror going "way too far", then he "beg[ged] forgiveness".

For me this is interesting, from an anthropological point of view.

You used the words "supporters of Clarkson's use of the n-word" and I responded to that with a question asking where you have noticed these supporters. I offered that it may have been off the forum.

It's clear to me that you are referring to people who support Clarkson's use of the n-word, if that wasn't the case then perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain what you actually meant when you wrote about "supporters of Clarkson's use of the n-word".

 

[Andy_Ross]

The press somehow find a 2 year old, never broadcast tape & peddle it as racism by Jeremy Clarkson. This promotes people to call for everything up to & including the death penalty to JC, his sacking being the most common reaction required by many. And that would result in what? He would no doubt go to another channel. Who would lose? The BBC, that's who, their top selling programme to the rest of the world would cease & another TV company would benefit, all because JC "may" have used a certain word in an outtake, WTF You don't have to like JC to realise the stupidity of this.
It's rabble rousing by the usual anti BBC crowd in the press who will do anything to see the BBC damaged for their own political or commercial ends.

 

[colander]

You're entitled to your opinion.

I think, if we're looking outside this forum, this is disproportionate and this, as well as this. Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman went into full "lets make mileage out of this" mode, on twitter, writing




Indicating an overly pious, self righteous nature that I'm seeing herein which serves to slow down development of a better, more equal society in spite of what "we" think we're achieving.

That's just my opinion, of course.

Yes, we've all surmised that not only do you have no problem with Britain's national public television network airing a show whose buffoonish hosts regularly toss about vile slurs for "laughs," you honestly can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that there exist people who have reason to arrive at a different opinion.

Good luck with that.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I keep trying to find out why people think Clarkson did NOT use the n-word when it's blatantly obvious that he did.

I've been listening to the link provided earlier in this thread again. And again. And again. The second line of the rhyme appears to be: "hzzzhanuhnuh on his toe".

I am happy to declare that I, like everyone else, know full well what word was intended.
I'm equally happy to say he should never have done it and he deserves the **** storm that's descended upon him.

But I'm confused by your continued insistance that there is something wrong with people if they do not also agree with your claim that the great oaf actually articulated the word in question.

 

[angrysoba]

You used the words "supporters of Clarkson's use of the n-word" and I responded to that with a question asking where you have noticed these supporters. I offered that it may have been off the forum.

It's clear to me that you are referring to people who support Clarkson's use of the n-word, if that wasn't the case then perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain what you actually meant when you wrote about "supporters of Clarkson's use of the n-word".

Oh well, an example of that would be found here:

This is one of the most pretentious threads in this forum. Honestly, who cares if he said something stupid. Go complain about Louis CK or almost any other comedian if you really want to be the white knight protecting society from "edgy" humor. He made a mistake, apologized, who cares.

This was posted on the same page as my point about supporters of the use of the word, because in this case it is clear that using the word is fine.

For the most part though I am bemused by those who refuse to accept he used it.

 

[bluesjnr]

Yes, we've all surmised that not only do you have no problem with Britain's national public television network airing a show whose buffoonish hosts regularly toss about vile slurs for "laughs," you honestly can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that there exist people who have reason to arrive at a different opinion.

Good luck with that.

"We've"? What arrogance, you represent whom?

Meanwhile, in your faux outrage, you continue to misrepresent my position quite deliberately.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Because he didn't. He couldn't have. The joke doesn't work if he did. Unless you think he'd fail comedy, too.

 

[colander]

"We've"? What arrogance, you represent whom?

People who don't particularly admire several pompous old British men who get paid millions annually to cagily sneak racial epithets onto prime time, apparently.

 

[Noztradamus]

People who don't particularly admire several pompous old British men who get paid millions annually to cagily sneak racial epithets onto prime time, apparently.

That's actually the job description?

 

[bluesjnr]

People who don't particularly admire several pompous old British men who get paid millions annually to cagily sneak racial epithets onto prime time, apparently.

Try getting out more.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Old? He's 54. Does that really count as "Old" now?

 

[colander]

Try getting out more.

Of course! Because nothing says well-travelled sophistication quite like naughtily muttering the N-word and making jokes about how lazy Mexicans are.

 

[Sceptic-PK]

Don't care. Racism is funny.

 

[bluesjnr]

Of course! Because nothing says well-travelled sophistication quite like naughtily muttering the N-word and making jokes about how lazy Mexicans are.

I really think you need to take a step back, you're overdoing your indignation and outrage a tad. It's about balance and it's clear you are lacking that with regard to this issue.

 

[Peephole]

Has this been posted already?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You used the words "supporters of Clarkson's use of the n-word" and I responded to that with a question asking where you have noticed these supporters...

Oh well, an example of that would be found here:

...He made a mistake, apologized, who cares.

This was posted on the same page as my point about supporters of the use of the word, because in this case it is clear that using the word is fine.

Well, I admit that you do at least have an impressively uncompromising attitude to this case. I mean, now it seems that anyone who says Clarkson was wrong to do it but accepts his apology is also a supporter of racism.

I know I'm already among the damned, due to my silly insistence that since Clarkson did not actually articulate the n-word it makes no sense to demand everyone agree that he did.

For the most part though I am bemused by those who refuse to accept he used it.

You keep saying this, but since he didn't, it's not a refusal to accept it, it's more an observation that he really, really didn't say the word. And I don't know why you make such a deal of it since saying or not saying the word out loud was not what caused offence.

 

[colander]

Has this been posted already?

Seems this Stewart Lee fellow has mostly got the right of it, although I believe he's made a slight factual error about Richard Hammond, whose mother does actually happen to have been a hamster.