Top Gear racist remark (again)

[s_pepys]

heres stewart lee talking about context. this was prime time sat night bbc 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2QkQMr554

 

[eirik]

Oh well, an example of that would be found here:



This was posted on the same page as my point about supporters of the use of the word, because in this case it is clear that using the word is fine.

For the most part though I am bemused by those who refuse to accept he used it.

I think you're better than this. I said explicitly that Clarkson said something stupid. That means I don't support it. It just seems to me that since it never aired, it was because they acknowledged it was hurtful. Then he apologized when the clip surfaced.

I just don't see the big deal all things considered I guess. People say stupid things all the time.

 

[The Don]

If we want to get upset about Jeremy Clarkson's racist views then why not get upset about his comments about people in the U.S. (which genuinely upsets Mrs. Don), Germany, France, Switzerland, Wales, Scotland and so on.

Of course in these cases he is (allegedly) presenting national stereotypes for comedic effect.

I do agree that this is an anti-BBC witch hunt by the usual suspects who stand to gain financially if the BBC was to change.

 

[KatieG]

If we want to get upset about Jeremy Clarkson's racist views then why not get upset about his comments about people in the U.S. (which genuinely upsets Mrs. Don), Germany, France, Switzerland, Wales, Scotland and so on.

Of course in these cases he is (allegedly) presenting national stereotypes for comedic effect.

I do agree that this is an anti-BBC witch hunt by the usual suspects who stand to gain financially if the BBC was to change.

I'd be happy skippy if Jeremy wasn't on Top Gear. I very much dislike the "character" he portrays on the show. So there is that...

Why is there a witch hunt against the BBC? Why are they so picked on so many people?

 

[BNRT]

You're entitled to your opinion.

I think, if we're looking outside this forum, this is disproportionate and this, as well as this. Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman went into full "lets make mileage out of this" mode, on twitter, writing

"Anybody who uses the n-word in public or private in whatever context has no place in the British Broadcasting Corporation."

Indicating an overly pious, self righteous nature that I'm seeing herein which serves to slow down development of a better, more equal society in spite of what "we" think we're achieving.

That's just my opinion, of course.

Just because of this thread, I used the n-word repeatedly, out loud, in the privacy of my own home. Am I a racist yet?

 

[Belz...]

From the U.S. here, and have heard it.

I think the first time was when I saw Pulp Fiction.

"...He'd be damned if any slopes were gonna put their greasy yellow hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something..."

I don't even get what "slope" is supposed to refer to. In fact, I don't get "yellow". I've seen a lot of asians, and I wouldn't refer their skin tone as anywhere near that.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

It's almost as if racism isn't rational

 

[The Don]

I'd be happy skippy if Jeremy wasn't on Top Gear. I very much dislike the "character" he portrays on the show. So there is that...

Why is there a witch hunt against the BBC? Why are they so picked on so many people?

The BBC is funded by the licence fee (a mandatory fee paid by people in the UK to access TV and radio even if they never watch the BBC) to the tune of £3.5bn. Out of this they do have to fund regional programming, the World Service and help to subsidise the commercial stations but essentially the BBC has a humongous pot of money from which to make loads of high quality programmes and make them free (and ad free) at the point of access. They can also afford excellent news gathering, websites and things like iPlayer which was a game changer. The fee is £145.50 a year which is about as much as my father pays for 3 months access to satellite, IMO it's excellent value.

Media barons like Murdoch want the BBC dismantled because it's hard to compete against. The brand value and programming is excellent and because there are no ad breaks you get 60 minutes of content in every hour, not 45 as on commercial stations. Without the BBC they could charge ever higher prices for a mediocre service.

Right wing politicians want the BBC banned because they see it as a hotbed of leftist propaganda (although as a leftist I think that the BBC is centrist or even right wing). The BBC (unlike most of the rest of the UK media) is not right leaning and so tends to disagree with their policies. The BBC also tends not to bend to political will. The BBC is usually critical of the current government and so since 1979 will have been critical of right wing governments for 22 of the last 35 years. The BBC is also effectively a nationalised industry and orthodoxy would have it that it would be better off in the private sector.

 

[colander]

Just because of this thread, I used the n-word repeatedly, out loud, in the privacy of my own home. Am I a racist yet?

such bravery

many outrageous

wow

 

[Klimax]

such bravery

many outrageous

wow

Adapting meme doesn't valid argument make. And so does "outrage" against "injustice".

Such outrage
Much justice
wow

You know what makes most harm to opposition of various problems? Such over the top rhetoric that frankly is stupid and overreaching while missing things. And possibly fake too.

Easiest way to be dismissed along side of your chosen cause...

 

[colander]

Adapting meme doesn't valid argument make.

Thanks for the input, but I'm not sure what kind of "valid argument" you think it makes sense to deploy against a poster whose sole contribution to the debate is a story about how he courageously said the N-word a bunch of times in his house. Alone. In Holland.

 

[Rat]

Thanks for the input, but I'm not sure what kind of "valid argument" you think it makes sense to deploy against a poster whose sole contribution to the debate is a story about how he courageously said the N-word a bunch of times in his house. Alone. In Holland.

How do you know he's in Holland?

 

[Metullus]

Thanks for the input, but I'm not sure what kind of "valid argument" you think it makes sense to deploy against a poster whose sole contribution to the debate is a story about how he courageously said the N-word a bunch of times in his house. Alone. In Holland.

I do not read were it was that he suggested that what he did was particularly courageous. Perhaps you can show what I missed?

I would hazard to guess that he was suggesting that it is just barely possible that the mere uttering of the word in question does not, of necessity, a racist make.

 

[Rat]

The BBC is usually critical of the current government and so since 1979 will have been critical of right wing governments for 22 of the last 35 years.

Which of the last 35 years had a left-wing government? Perhaps that's another thread.

 

[jimbob]

How do you know he's in Holland?

As I work for a Dutch company, I know that the Netherlands is not Holland...

 

[Metullus]

As I work for a Dutch company, I know that the Netherlands is not Holland...

As I work for a Dutch wife, I know this as well...

 

[jimbob]

May I recommend saying that you think that the word "Dutch" is a corruption of "Deutch" and that there is little difference between the two...

 

[Metullus]

May I recommend saying that you think that the word "Dutch" is a corruption of "Deutch" and that there is little difference between the two...

Where do you want me to send what she will cut off of me?

 

[bluesjnr]

Just because of this thread, I used the n-word repeatedly, out loud, in the privacy of my own home. Am I a racist yet?

I couldn't say but I can say that Harriet Harman will want you nowhere near the British Broadcasting Service.

 

[BNRT]

I do not read were it was that he suggested that what he did was particularly courageous. Perhaps you can show what I missed?

I would hazard to guess that he was suggesting that it is just barely possible that the mere uttering of the word in question does not, of necessity, a racist make.

You're right. I may not have put it in the best words, but I think just saying the n-word does not make someone a racist. I do not think I ever used the n-word before,but just saying it to prove a point (or make a joke) does not necessarily mean that someone is suddenly racist.

ETA:

I couldn't say but I can say that Harriet Harman will want you nowhere near the British Broadcasting Service.

Which, I agree with you (if that is your opinion) is an overreaction.