I don't disagree with you, but how many anti-Zionists are holocaust deniers?
I reject your argument about the daily use of the term anti-Zionist on the grounds that even if I called myself anti-Isreal then I would be labelled anti-Semite.
I reserve my right to be critical of the partition of the Palestinian Territories by my country in 1948 and to criticise the actions of the Zionists and subsequent Israeli political actions since.
Put quite simply, it is the last refuge of the scoundrel because it is easier to throw the label about rather than address the issues.
I reject your accusation of sophistry outright.
Bolding Mine. In reverse order of the bolded items.....
Sophistry because you did not investigate the claims being made, nor the person being accused. You got out the soap box and recited.
Do you recall the thread? Had you actually scanned the posts of the people making the comments or the person being commented on? I think not. I thinkyou saw someone using one of your "keywords", and you weighed in with a standard reaction, an argument for the crowd (maybe a small crowd, but a crowd-pleaser nonetheless), which is what Sophistry is all about.
Not arguing the Issue?
If I have reasonably good evidence that I'm arguing with a racist and call him a racist, then get cited for "playing the race card", then it's sophistry. You were calling down someone for referring to a Mr. Killtown (IIRC) an anti-semite, and accusing CT sites of harboring many of the same. This, as we've done a lot of digging, IS FACT. And, if you think you can have a discussion with Killtown on any subject, go right ahead - we tried.
If you
refer to yourself as anti-Israeli, I concur that you'd likely be accused of being anti-Jewish or anti-semitic, if you will. I don't agree with the accusation, and that's what I'm asking again to consider... that we might actually understand the difference between the two approaches.
In the terms and framework of the two threads in question, the only problem I have with you taking your stance on Israel and the Palestine question is that they don't belong in the threads in question, and that you assumed incorrectly that the people you were addressing hadn't done their homework or had no knowledge of the topic you were addressing. I asked that you give us the consideration that we might also understand these issues and know the difference between being against the policies of a country and not hating the people, necessarily.
Please note the thread in which you're posting. The topic posted (and several people have asked to get back on topic and avoid getting into yet another Palestrael/Israelestine* flame war) is on the validity or disproof of the common accusation that Zionism is a movement dedicated to world domination. Also, IIRC, the topic in the thread where you posted your "last refuge" statement was the link between 9/11 CT and Anti-Zionism. Neither is a discussion of Israel's right to exist, the Balfour Declaration, or the partition of Palestine and founding of Israel.
*There's a political forum where you will find lots of new friends if you want to drag this one out again. Just open a thread called, "My gov't shouldn't have given Palestine to the Israelis"......
I typed "911" into Google and got 104,000,000 hits. So what?
Address the issues.
No, William,
you address the issues. You're after a political discussion, and we're discussing delusional conspiracists.
I'm truly sorry if you've been accused of being a conspiracist, as from what I've seen you don't seem to be, but the discussions in this particular sub-forum are on debunking various conspiracies, whether Elders of the Protocols.... Anti-Mason.... JFK.... Sinking of the Maine... etc.....
ETA: bold/underlined above.... Ooops! My Bad! Just saw some of Wm's other posts... So... a CTer after all. Ah, well... one does try to give one the benefit of the doubt.
