ZEITGEIST, The Movie

Ext. A RURAL DIRT ROAD - DAY

Several people are gathering around a young man wearing a black T-shirt, a look of eternal angst on his face. Suddenly, as the crowd grows larger, his face changes, as his prey approaches.

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I thought this too, however, i think what they meant was that these stars aline with our sun, ie they point towards where the sun will rise on the 25th. This is a mistake, i think.

This is the correct astrological event(which can be tested with YourSky): "The virgin[Virgo] ascends at the first hour on December 25 ready to give birth. The sun is born at the crack of dawn[daylight hours start to increase from this time]", then "At four o’clock in the evening, on December 25, Sirius rises above the horizon in Jerusalem. This was the first such event in the Age of Pisces[new age]. The three stars on the belt of Orion point down towards Sirius[the brightest star]" as they always do, but sirius is usually below the horizon at this time.

You can read more about it here.

I haven't checked out your link (no time!) but this does strike me as strange.

First thing is that the winter solstice occurs between Dec 21 and Dec 23 of each year, and the daylight hours begin to increase immediately after this, not on the 25th. Also, the consensus among astrologers seems to be the age of Pisces started about 200 years before the birth of Christ, not coincident with it. I'm not sure whether Sirius was visible from Bethlehem during this time period.

I will check your link and get back to you when I'm more educated on the subject!
 
I haven't checked out your link (no time!) but this does strike me as strange.

First thing is that the winter solstice occurs between Dec 21 and Dec 23 of each year, and the daylight hours begin to increase immediately after this, not on the 25th. Also, the consensus among astrologers seems to be the age of Pisces started about 200 years before the birth of Christ, not coincident with it. I'm not sure whether Sirius was visible from Bethlehem during this time period.

I will check your link and get back to you when I'm more educated on the subject!
Well you can check with YourSky, and find that Sirius was visible from Jerusalem at this time.

I actually wrote my post before i really read into it. I'm not really sure if they really meant that it marked a new age or whatever. However there sames to be quite a disagreement even now as to when the ages of pisces began.

I've read some sources which claim that it was 300BC, some that it was around the time of Christ, and some that it was 26AD. I think if we look at it as each age having the same amound of time, 2160 years, then yes, it is probably before. But i've read that Pisces is one of the shortest ages, at 1986 years.

I, however, think those in the ancient times would have looked to the sky instead of their watches/math books. They wouldn't have stuck rigidly to the 2160 year cycle, and really, there is no clearly defined line in the sky. So to some it would have happened before Christ, some at the time, and some after. But Sirius was visible around the time of Jesus from Jerusalem.

I checked out YourSky, first virgo (giving way to the "birth" of the sun at dawn), then sirius:

View toward horizon from 31°46'48"N 35°13'12"E, azimuth 90° (E)
Sat 25 Dec 1 1:00 UTC



View toward horizon from 31°46'48"N 35°13'12"E, azimuth 110°
Sat 25 Dec 1 18:00 UTC

 
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I have a quick question. I looked at the "Debunking Federal Reserve CTs" link (sorry, not allowed to post links as yet), where the professor states that the Fed Board of Governors are "publicly appointed". I then read through the Fed's website that talks about how the Fed and it's components work, and it says that the Board of Governors is appointed by the President. Is this a contradiction, or is "publicly appointed" the same as appointed by the President in the professor's eyes?
I guess from a conspiracy believer's point of view, the BOG's being appointed by the President publicly wouldn't hold much water in the debunking dept.??
 
Hello, JWA. Welcome to the forums. Potential Fed board members are nominated by the President and confirmed by the senate. The Chair and Vice-Chair are then selected by the President from among those approved members. So it's a bit of an incestuous process, and the appointments aren't truly "public" since only people nominated by the Pres can be selected.
 
Being nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate is as public as it gets. In theory, they are our elected representatives.

A private appointment would be something very very different, akin to the CEO selection process of any corporation.
 
God,"Zeitgeist" sounds like a wierd combination of The "Da VInci Code" Hidden Symbols Crap,the usual 9/11 CT crap,and that old Conspiracy theory reliable ,The World Bank. Kind of a something to appeal to every Kook effort.
 
Dear brett,

Thanks for posting this. I went through most of it, skipping the chapter on the Sept. 11 attacks because it was going to go on and on about theories regarding how the event happened, and that is really besides the point. It doesn’t matter how it happened, it happened, and it served the strategic interests of the Anglo-American Imperial faction. So, this part was irrelevant.

Now, it’s never a good sign when a documentary starts off with a hectic montage. Television and movies have quit cuts because they’re not sure of anything, they’re not sure of themselves, except in their own ability to make a mess, to confuse people and create a hard to analyse impression. So this beginning implies hopelessness, and the documentary is indeed an expression of hopelessness. This is a dangerous type of documentary, one that inflames anarchist and similar sentiments. It builds a frustration in the breast that can’t be appeased because there are no truthful principles being expressed in it, only “connect the dots” kind of conspiratorial evidence. And being frustrated, and scared, the person feels hopeless, and they either get angry and fight some kind of substitute, or they get hedonistic and try to forget about it.

The relevant principle here is the principle of cognition, which defines man as man, and allows him to increase his mastery over the universe by discovering, transmitting, and assimilating universal physical principles. The enemy, the Imperialists, and kindred factions, want to suppress all potential for expressing it, in order to generate a worldwide Pax Americana of vastly reduced population in the charge of the Anglo-American Imperialists. Cognition is a threat to their power because it demands and amplifies freedom, high education, high standards of infrastructure, and continual improvement, which empires are not interested in.

The problem with the documentary as a whole, is that it doesn’t recognise power when it sees it, namely Christianity and FDR. Jesus obviously existed, because early Christianity was a political movement against Rome, the original fascist empire, and political movements need leaders. They don’t operate based on committees, they need a powerful leader to rally them and organise a consistent strategy. The strategy of Jesus turned out to be preaching to the people that they were made in the image of the Creator, that they had that creative power within them as a living potential, that they were fundamentally different from animals. A unique threat to the empire, Rome and the Jewish elite of the day had him destroyed, and his willingness to become immortal in terms of ongoing effective principle of action in the universe, at the cost of horrible torture and murder, set the Christian experiment in motion, the experiment without which we would not have seen the Renaissance, the birth of modern science with Nicolaus of Cusa (d.1464), and, ultimately the birth of the United States of America, the abolition of slavery, and the Apollo program. No Christianity, no science and art as we know it.

But, where it really gets turned on its head, is when the narrator accuses the powers that be of “playing both sides” even as he criticizes Franklin D. Roosevelt as being a part of those powers! How can this be? Hitler is shown as a menace to civilisation, very scary, but Roosevelt, who defeated Hitler is shown as being part of the international banking elite and thus just as bad as Hitler! His maneuverings to go to war against fascist Japan are listed as though they were acts of immorality. Fascist Japan! Rape-of-Nanking Japan! Yet America wasn’t supposed to go to war against the Axis, it was supposed to stay neutral and let fascism take the Earth. So, we have an absurdity here that begs addressing.

Roosevelt was a great leader in the tradition of the American System of economy, as an alternative to both Marxism and capitalism (both of British origin), and intrinsically opposed to the fascism that was originally represented by Napoleon I, and was reborn with Adolf Hitler and Bennito Mussolini, all forms of tyranny in express imitation of Imperial Rome. Roosevelt was the American human answer to Hitler’s werewolf. Roosevelt embodied a system capable of expressing and defending humanity qua humanity whereas Hitler created a system capable of maximal evil on both the individual and the economic level.

The true “man behind the curtain” to watch out for isn’t Mr. Wizard, it’s the elderly narrator talking about the way to destroy a nation, which is to either bomb it to ruin or, better, to get the populace to destroy itself. Namely, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.. I notice he was used without being quoted, nor was his picture given. That is a telling omission, because no one has a more optimistic view of the real situation than he does. He works within the American System as well, the Classical Humanist tradition, and operates on the basis of principle, not hectic montages or incoherent denunciations of great American leaders. He’s aware of the move to chip people, but the hidden card no one is looking at here is that the economy is precarious, it’s been punched full of huge holes for the past forty years, and this world empire the Anglo-American Imperalists are working on won’t last very long, if it were even possible to consolidate it, which it might not. The only question is whether we can rescue our heritage from sliding along down into destruction with them.

The final resolution? Instead of developing principles, we have, once again, no principles, just trite hippy nonsense about how we are all "one" and how "love" must conquer "power", in order to know (postcoital?) peace. This is something a Goddess worshipping lunatic from fascist imperial Rome might have said! The film proceeds to talk about how life is "just a ride" and isn't real and how people reincarnate from the Other Side to tell us this, for whatever reason. I mean, talk about coming full circle from debunking hokum religion to promoting hokum religion. People who are serious about civilisation should start with LaRouche, and develop a more appropriately human critical eye about these sorts of documentaries. They contain useful information, especially concerning the banking system and the like, but they embody powerlessness in their very method, because they give people nothing to hang on to except fear.

Cpl Ferro

See also, especially the following, discussing the $100 billion BAE arms trading scandal which is almost not being reported in America:

Lyndon LaRouche Webcast: The World's Biggest Loose End
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/audio_video_files/2007/070621_webcast.shtml
 
Well you can check with YourSky, and find that Sirius was visible from Jerusalem at this time.

I know this is getting sort of OT... But I seem to remember that if you calculate out Haley's Comet, it made a show around 6 BC (or 6 BCE if you want to call it that)

Kinda close enough that maybe 6 BC was really Year 0, and we're acutally in 2013! Wow! Time travel!
 
Certain parts of it, yes... But far more than that... There are so many theories that are fitting in a certain way, as long as you ignore the crap.

I am pretty disappointed of this "truth movement", because it hasn't much to do with truth at all. Problem is, that many of these films and texts make good points but spoil the show with adding some crap to it which disqualifies the entire message.

That's why I opened a new thread, if that was what you are about to ask...
 
zeitgeist

Hi everyone,

Im new to this site. I joined because I saw some intelligent debate and wanted to participate.

I saw this movie not too long ago. It seems many people are captivated by it while some just throw it out as junk. I will agree this movie is put together in such a way that it tends to our senses. I think it is designed to titilate us. I did not have a problem with part one, as I think that the information provided is already pretty well known. Part two was a little drab, but three key parts of it stood out to me as very interesting. The first was the diagonally cut steel beams. That to me is hard evidence of foul play. The second thing that stood out is how all the people in the basement heard and/or were even jolted by explosions before the first plane hit. The third is building 7. I think that one is self explanatory.

Part 3 hits close to home for me, because my dad is part of the tax truth movement and I saw first hand what the fascist SS like IRS did to him. My father broke no laws, but when he marched on Washington with about 2000 other people and demanded answers from our government, he along with numerous other people had all their assests seized and were told they owe the IRS a lot of money. This put them into submission. When they fought back and filed grievences their case was put on the back burner and remains in the lower courts to this day.

For all that think everything is ok in this country, I have bad news for you. This country is on a steep and fast decline. If it is ever proved that 9/11 was an inside job you can bet there will be a revolution. If it is proved, you can bet that almost every conspiracy theory you've ever heard is true.

I would love to debate with anyone that has differing opinions. I consider myself fairly well researched or at least aware of the research being done regarding this subject matter.

Very best,

Anthony
 
For all that think everything is ok in this country, I have bad news for you. This country is on a steep and fast decline. If it is ever proved that 9/11 was an inside job you can bet there will be a revolution. If it is proved, you can bet that almost every conspiracy theory you've ever heard is true.

What if it's not an inside job?
 
What if it's not an inside job?

If it is not an inside job then maybe the neo-cons are right and what we're doing in Iraq and soon to be Iran is justified. However, after reviewing the theories, seeing the evidence and knowing a little bit about human nature, I am leaning towards a conspiracy.
 
Hi everyone,
Hi, warlex. Welcome to the forums.

[...]Part two was a little drab, but three key parts of it stood out to me as very interesting. The first was the diagonally cut steel beams. That to me is hard evidence of foul play.
You've been lied to. That's how steel was often cut during the cleanup operation, and thermite/thermate cuts look nothing like that.

The second thing that stood out is how all the people in the basement heard and/or were even jolted by explosions before the first plane hit.
You've been lied to. They didn't and they weren't.

The third is building 7. I think that one is self explanatory.
I agree.
Eyewitness accounts of WTC 7 fires
Eyewitness accounts of WTC 7 damage
Eyewitness accounts of withdrawal and hold back from WTC 7 due to danger


Part 3 hits close to home for me, because my dad is part of the tax truth movement and I saw first hand what the fascist SS like IRS did to him.
Taxes are real.

I consider myself fairly well researched or at least aware of the research being done regarding this subject matter.
Sorry, you are not even a little bit informed, but this is a great place to get informed.
 
Hi everyone,

Im new to this site. I joined because I saw some intelligent debate and wanted to participate.

I saw this movie not too long ago. It seems many people are captivated by it while some just throw it out as junk. I will agree this movie is put together in such a way that it tends to our senses. I think it is designed to titilate us. I did not have a problem with part one, as I think that the information provided is already pretty well known. Part two was a little drab, but three key parts of it stood out to me as very interesting. The first was the diagonally cut steel beams. That to me is hard evidence of foul play. The second thing that stood out is how all the people in the basement heard and/or were even jolted by explosions before the first plane hit. The third is building 7. I think that one is self explanatory.

Part 3 hits close to home for me, because my dad is part of the tax truth movement and I saw first hand what the fascist SS like IRS did to him. My father broke no laws, but when he marched on Washington with about 2000 other people and demanded answers from our government, he along with numerous other people had all their assests seized and were told they owe the IRS a lot of money. This put them into submission. When they fought back and filed grievences their case was put on the back burner and remains in the lower courts to this day.

For all that think everything is ok in this country, I have bad news for you. This country is on a steep and fast decline. If it is ever proved that 9/11 was an inside job you can bet there will be a revolution. If it is proved, you can bet that almost every conspiracy theory you've ever heard is true.

I would love to debate with anyone that has differing opinions. I consider myself fairly well researched or at least aware of the research being done regarding this subject matter.

Very best,

Anthony

That you're citing the diagonally cut beams as proof of an inside job shows just how little research you've really done. And mind you, that's only the most egregious example of conspiracist disinformation you've uncritically accepted as fact . Most of your other claims are similarly wrong, dreadfully wrong.

PS: Sorry that your dad got caught. Maybe he should pay his taxes next time?
 

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