I've not ben here for a while, and when i was here, i mainly discussed with David Jay Jordan, if anyone remembers him, that crazy Christian guy who was banned. Anyway, i'm not presenting these arguments as true, or arguing for them. I'm simply providing a few of the main points of the video, like was asked earlier in this thread...
ZEITGEIST, The Movie
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If u have only watched 6 mins of the film don't bother participating with the thread. The reason alot of people who see the film dislike is because it forces them to think in a different way. These questions are for the people who are against the film.Y are so many of religious leaders like jesus and buddha born on the 25th? How did world trade centre 7 come down? Y did america go to war with iraq?
If u have only watched 6 mins of the film don't bother participating with the thread. The reason alot of people who see the film dislike is because it forces them to think in a different way. These questions are for the people who are against the film.Y are so many of religious leaders like jesus and buddha born on the 25th? How did world trade centre 7 come down? Y did america go to war with iraq?
Hokulele
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Hey pandamonk, I remember you from the DJJ threads (mostly over in R&P). The claims in that video really are a blob of claims made in many other videos, that have been discussed ad nauseum in this sub-forum. The easiest way I found to show people just how these types of videos work is to have them watch any conspiracy video (most of them promote the same claims), then the equivalent response video.
For example, someone my husband knows is really into all of the CT stuff, and told my husband to watch a particular video, I think it was 9/11 Mysteries (insert banging head on desk smiley here). I told my husband that he should watch Screw 9/11 Mysteries immediately after, and then decide what he thinks about the whole thing (I think those are the names of the videos, this was a while ago). Since then, he knows what types of tricks and false claims are made in this genre, so he pretty much ignores all of them.
And yes, my husband will never take my word on something being bunk, he has to go find out for himself. *Sigh*
That's exactly something like what my girlfriend would say about me, haha. Although, she is worse
. I tell her something, and she doesn't even bother to go and look for herself. She just out and out denies it.Also, the video is not just CT. It also has a whole section amount religion and astrology. I don't believe every part of that either, but it is quite interesting. It's a new slant, for me anyway, on looking at judeo-christian god/religions.
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If u have only watched 6 mins of the film don't bother participating with the thread. The reason alot of people who see the film dislike is because it forces them to think in a different way. These questions are for the people who are against the film.Y are so many of religious leaders like jesus and buddha born on the 25th? How did world trade centre 7 come down? Y did america go to war with iraq?
1. Because they were not really born on those days, but the 25th likely has some significance within the religion's patriarchy...never gave it much thought, and dont really care.
2. WTC7 came down via a combination of severe damage to its south side from falling debris, and large scale, untreated fires, which burned for 7 hours.
3. America went to war with Iraq under the pretence (later found to be do to faulty intelligence) that the ruling party and their military were holding WMDs. The real reasons may or may not be related to the strategic importance of Iraq for the USA, within the middle east.
TAM
Hokulele
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That's exactly something like what my girlfriend would say about me, haha. Although, she is worse
Oh, I would never contradict my husband.
* Snork *
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i went and had a look at that website,what a joke it doesn't answer many questions and the ones it does answer are ridicilous. it tries to wash away the conspiracy theories about the pentagon. it never explains y the video footage of the "plane" hitting the building has not been released,the reason they didn't try answer this is because it's true!
Hokulele
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Minor nitpick, most Buddhist holidays are determined by a lunar calendar (much like many Jewish and Muslim ones). If Vesak (Buddha Day) happens to fall on the 25th of May in any given year, it is by coincidence, not design.
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What specific questions do you have that you have not had answered?
Which answers to which questions are ridiculous?
The only video footage of a plane hitting the pentagon has indeed released. If you have reason to believe there are videos that show the impact better that have not been released, please provide your evidence for this belief.
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Hello, Gunner. Welcome to the forums.If u have only watched 6 mins of the film don't bother participating with the thread. The reason alot of people who see the film dislike is because it forces them to think in a different way. These questions are for the people who are against the film.Y are so many of religious leaders like jesus and buddha born on the 25th? How did world trade centre 7 come down? Y did america go to war with iraq?
The reason people dislike this video and ones like it is that they are filled to the brim with 100% pure horsecrap. This is a forum for critical thinkers. We dislike lies, incompetence, shoddy research, and attempts to spread ignorance.
A friendly note: most people here are well into their adult years. Using abbreviations like Y and U are likely to make people think that you're a kid who has some growing up to do.
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What do you believe struck the Pentagon?
no doubt, and it is not a nitpick, as my statement was a purely speculative guess...
Cheers
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Hi all...
Just wanted to get my $0.02 cents in on Zeitgeist: The Movie.
I wrote a detailed review of the first 1/3 of the film in a private blog. I spent the time doing the legwork and researching some of the religious topics in Part I of the film and learned quite a bit.
All of the new facts that I learned were from where the movie was wrong, not right.
Without doing any research, it's obvious to anyone who has any astronomy training that facts are right out the window here. They make mistakes that would make a first year student blush. Sirius aligns with the stars of Orion's belt only on the winter solstice? The constellations are NOT fixed relative to one another?
Maybe there is some truth to the movie but it's the rare fact that holds up. If you can't trust someone to check the facts on their basic astronomy why would you unquestioningly accept any of their "facts" on 9/11 or the world bank? Plus, most of these "facts" are thrown at you so fast you have to pause the movie after every few sentences just to check the validity of what you've just heard. The "truthiness" factor here is through the roof.
The film is designed for people who already buy into the message and are unlikely to check their sources. That's what makes this kind of disinformation so dangerous. The film can look legitimate at first glance and I guess that's enough for most. I'm shocked anyone could take this garbage seriously, let alone base their philosophies on it. I love the irony in that the quote they use to introduce the movie encourages viewers not to accept the truth from authority, and then the film has to twist facts and make up arguments to try to convince it's viewers.
If you watched this movie and it "changed your life" please PLEASE go and do the research yourself and then decide whether or not the message of the film is accurate. Don't just sit back and let them dump this crap into your brain.
Just wanted to get my $0.02 cents in on Zeitgeist: The Movie.
I wrote a detailed review of the first 1/3 of the film in a private blog. I spent the time doing the legwork and researching some of the religious topics in Part I of the film and learned quite a bit.
All of the new facts that I learned were from where the movie was wrong, not right.
Without doing any research, it's obvious to anyone who has any astronomy training that facts are right out the window here. They make mistakes that would make a first year student blush. Sirius aligns with the stars of Orion's belt only on the winter solstice? The constellations are NOT fixed relative to one another?
Maybe there is some truth to the movie but it's the rare fact that holds up. If you can't trust someone to check the facts on their basic astronomy why would you unquestioningly accept any of their "facts" on 9/11 or the world bank? Plus, most of these "facts" are thrown at you so fast you have to pause the movie after every few sentences just to check the validity of what you've just heard. The "truthiness" factor here is through the roof.
The film is designed for people who already buy into the message and are unlikely to check their sources. That's what makes this kind of disinformation so dangerous. The film can look legitimate at first glance and I guess that's enough for most. I'm shocked anyone could take this garbage seriously, let alone base their philosophies on it. I love the irony in that the quote they use to introduce the movie encourages viewers not to accept the truth from authority, and then the film has to twist facts and make up arguments to try to convince it's viewers.
If you watched this movie and it "changed your life" please PLEASE go and do the research yourself and then decide whether or not the message of the film is accurate. Don't just sit back and let them dump this crap into your brain.
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I'm pretty sure that's the definition of "hard core" right there.
Hokulele
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Welcome Agent : Orange! Thanks for showing people how simple research should be done on these types of films. Just curious, what made you decide to watch that film?
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Hey, nice to meet you...
Two of my friends that are very into CT recommended it to me. They've tried to get me to watch these types of things more than once, and to be honest I haven't been able to really debate them regarding 9/11 CTs nor have I really tried. I generally have better things to do.
I watched this one because it seemed like CT that was not specifically aimed at 9/11 (how wrong I was!) and had some stuff that falls within my area of study, namely astronomy.
As I said, the information in the film is valuable for doing your own research on and finding out how much of the film is BS. I remain unconvinced, as should everyone else who sees the film and checks the facts. What I can't stand about it is that my friends still say that "There is still useful information in there" and that "some of it is still true". How could anyone possibly say that after glaring errors have been found? Why would anyone just accept these things in the face of the terrible distortions of fact in the film?
It makes me really angry that this is propagating around the internet!
I thought this too, however, i think what they meant was that these stars aline with our sun, ie they point towards where the sun will rise on the 25th. This is a mistake, i think.
This is the correct astrological event(which can be tested with YourSky): "The virgin[Virgo] ascends at the first hour on December 25 ready to give birth. The sun is born at the crack of dawn[daylight hours start to increase from this time]", then "At four o’clock in the evening, on December 25, Sirius rises above the horizon in Jerusalem. This was the first such event in the Age of Pisces[new age]. The three stars on the belt of Orion point down towards Sirius[the brightest star]" as they always do, but sirius is usually below the horizon at this time.
You can read more about it here.
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