ZEITGEIST, The Movie

[arockincanada]

4. Moses is not believed to have been alive at all. The story of the Exodus doesn't fit any scholarly account of history available.

Not that I'm trying to say that it's true or not, but you should see "The Exodus Decoded" (I think I saw it on The Discovery Channel), a very interesting watch.

 

[Grimlorn]

I just watched this movie and I have to say I'm very curious about this movie and some of the things it talks about.

Someone said everything from beginning to end is false, however, they are wrong. Some of the things in this movie are true. Atleast I know for a fact.

It talks about the Patriot act and the illegal laws that were passed in it. Nothing about this was untrue. I've also read, last month, that the Supreme Court ruled that it was illegal for Bush to detain any US citizens he considers enemy combatants without any charges or proof.

I also think I remember reading another article saying that there was another ruling that was for all other people besides citizens of the US saying basically the same thing.

I also don't see how he faked a video of a guy on MSNBC market watch talking about the Amero? I'm not sure if I've heard anything about this or not. I might have but I don't know if its true. So I'd like to know whats going on with this.

Back when I was in college in May the teacher was talking about them trying to pass a law for a National ID card with a strip on it with all our information on it. So they can just swipe your card and get anything they want on you. This movie was made in June I guess and its talking about the same thing. He actually sets a date for May of 2008 we will start being required to have these for ID.

I don't know if the date is maybe wrong but I find it odd that I would hear about this stuff from different sources.

The 9/11 stuff was new to me. I have to admit that I had no idea there was a 3rd building not hit by anything but apparently collasped anyways? WTF was that. Is it true that the support beams or whatever looked like they were cut at an angle? I mean they did make and pass the Patriot Act within like 28 hours? or maybe it was 2 days, but they passed it quick even though it removed a lot of liberties. I forgot to mention that they also have lots of different people who apparently worked in these buildings and were there on 9/11 and heard an explosion come from the bottom of the building right before the airplane hit the top. Also I think some resuce workers said they heard a bomb or explosion before the building collapsed.

It talks about the guy who lead the 9/11 commission being biased which I've read before and know that people were trying to petition him to resign so I know this is true. Maybe not him being biased but him being linked to the Bush administration and people trying to get him to resign. Is it true that the 9/11 commission had to unanimously agree with what was put in the report or it was dropped from it?

I've read different things on the centralized bank theory. It seems like people here disagree with the conspiracy of it? So I'm guessing the main bankers back in the early 1900s had nothing to do with the 1907 panic or 1920 panic or 1929? The reason I ask is because apparently a best friend of a Rothchild (sp?) that lives today came out and said he talked about this stuff with 9/11 and going into Iraq and Afghanistan, and there eventually being a chip with our money and information on it, and if anyone protests or rebels they will just turn it off. (in the movie)

I don't know if this is true. It could be pretty fake but it atleast sounds like enough to look into. Is that guy a credible source or is he some crazy guy that just asked for a picture with the guy and made the stuff up?

I know the religion aspect looks like crap to some people but its only on for 30 minutes, and it doesn't really relate religion to the 9/11 thing. It just kind of relates 9/11 to the world bank conspiracy and the wars.

I am a little curious but this would take some study about the religion part. Is it true that there were other supposed special gods or sons of gods or divine people born on Dec, 25 by a virgin? Or atleast when the same stars lined up? Or is this lies?

Anyways I know this is long I hope some of you can answer some of these questions I have if you can. You don't have to answer all of them, but if you could site sources as opposed to some guy that just wrote "the facts" on his web page, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[Grimlorn]

I hate to bump this, but I'd like to get some info from people on the subjects.

 

[Gorgonian]

The 9/11 stuff was new to me. I have to admit that I had no idea there was a 3rd building not hit by anything but apparently collasped anyways? WTF was that. Is it true that the support beams or whatever looked like they were cut at an angle? I mean they did make and pass the Patriot Act within like 28 hours? or maybe it was 2 days, but they passed it quick even though it removed a lot of liberties. I forgot to mention that they also have lots of different people who apparently worked in these buildings and were there on 9/11 and heard an explosion come from the bottom of the building right before the airplane hit the top. Also I think some resuce workers said they heard a bomb or explosion before the building collapsed.

The third building you are speaking of was WTC 7. The nearer of the two big WTC buildings collapsed into it, severely damaging it and starting a fire that was allowed to burn for many hours (because the sprinkler system was inoperative and the building itself was growing more and more unstable throughout the day) which eventually led to its collapse. The collapse of this building was widely believed to be probable all afternoon.

For a source on almost any 9/11 things you would like to know about, see the sticky post at the top of this sub-forum titled "Gravysites."

As for the rest of your stuff, I either don't know enough about it to comment or am just not interested enough to look into it. Maybe someone else can help you on that stuff.

 

[Grimlorn]

Thanks for the link. It looks like I have a lot of reading to sift through.

Hopefully someone else can help with the other questions I ask about?

 

[Tokyo Psyblog]

Indoctrination vs. education

You know this discussion has been stated in someone's blog (do a google search for Zeitgeist Movie The Great Realization) as being "where a generally well-educated crowd picks apart at it a bit."

Hardly well-educated to me. Most of you have discredited it after seeing only 6 minutes of it...

My advice to you so called well-educated crowd is that maybe you should educate yourself by watching the film entirely before passing such self-righteous judgement on it.

I also found this forum by way of the same blog, and frankly was greatly disappointed when I got here. "I don't need to watch it because all the reviews say it's bad." ??? Gimme a break!

Judging by some of the juvenile comments in this thread, I have to believe that many posters have watched the wrong movie, or been spoon-fed what to say.

Fear of finding out that you've been lied to must be more frightening than I imagined. This is what separates the indoctrinated from the educated.

Cheers! Tokyo Psyblog

 

[Par]

"I don't need to watch it because all the reviews say it's bad." ??? Gimme a break!

Go and watch a load of holocaust denial and creationism documentaries then; or have you been “spoon-fed what to say”?

 

[maccy]

I also found this forum by way of the same blog, and frankly was greatly disappointed when I got here. "I don't need to watch it because all the reviews say it's bad." ??? Gimme a break!

Judging by some of the juvenile comments in this thread, I have to believe that many posters have watched the wrong movie, or been spoon-fed what to say.

Fear of finding out that you've been lied to must be more frightening than I imagined. This is what separates the indoctrinated from the educated.

Cheers! Tokyo Psyblog

Welcome to the forum, Tokyo Psyblog. I suggest you educate us by picking the single most important piece of evidence from the movie and starting a thread about it. If, as you say, we've been "spoon-fed", it shouldn't be too difficult to convince us.

 

[Tokyo Psyblog]

Sure, please share...

Go and watch a load of holocaust denial and creationism documentaries then; or have you been “spoon-fed what to say”?

Send me some links to these movies. As a journalist, filmmaker and an atheist, it should be interesting. I'm not afraid to look at what's in your spoon.

 

[Viper Daimao]

I'm not afraid to look at what's in your spoon.

Of course not. It's just that when you get the same spoonful for the 30th time only this time with really annoying music playing in the background, well you lose interest.

But please, find a bit or claim from the movie you found interesting and start a thread about it. That's much easier to digest than to say "Here watch this 2 hour movie and tell me what's wrong with it. That's a herculean task, though I'm sure it's been done somewhere by someone, the same way loose change has been picked apart scene by scene showing the lies, half truths, selective quotations and deceitful editing.

 

[Par]

Send me some links to these movies. As a journalist, filmmaker and an atheist, it should be interesting. I'm not afraid to look at what's in your spoon.

OK, well here are some on varying subjects to be going on with:

• The Truth about the Theory of Evolution Parts 1-4
• Ten reasons WHY AIDS IS A HOAX
• Who Infiltrated America? Jesuits? Zionists? Illuminati? NWO? Aliens?
• Close Encouters: Proof of Alien Contact

Let me know when you've watched and evaluated those, and I'll find some more for you.

 

[Tokyo Psyblog]

"Here watch this 2 hour movie and tell me what's wrong with it. That's a herculean task...

Yeah... I never said that. In fact, I never said what I thought of this movie.

What I said was that I came to this forum on the premise that it offered insightful comments from an "educated" group -- and was disappointed to find very little.

 

[Viper Daimao]

Yeah... I never said that. In fact, I never said what I thought of this movie.

What I said was that I came to this forum on the premise that it offered insightful comments from an "educated" group -- and was disappointed to find very little.

Then honestly, you haven't looked very hard. I know you didn't say that, but it's kinda how the thread was started. I simply stated why this thread received the responses it did, and a better way to get what you are looking for. Look, grimlorn and possibly you are new to this movie yes? And at least grimlorn is obviously new to this whole 9/11 conspiracy nonsense. That's fine, nothing wrong with that, but many of us here have been researching this stuff for years. I simply say that so that you realize how repetitive this becomes and how jaded many posters here are.

So I ask you to look around. Come up with a question and search for it on here, or start a new thread and ask it. The tags at the bottom of the forum index are a good place to start. Find a bunch of WTC7 or Pentagon threads, read about Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin.

Also I found this thread that may interest you.

 

[Grimlorn]

Well is there any real information about RFID chips. Do they put them in passports now. What do they do,etc?

I'm also curious about this national ID card thing. Is it really going to happen in May of 2008 where we are required to have one? I remember talking about this in college before this movie was created. I just thought the teacher was being stupid but apparently there may be something to it.

Also is there anything going on with the Amero? Is that actually a form of currency thats going to be released?

I just started reading that thread Viper, and its pretty much crap going back and forth between people. One guy is trying to tell everyone that the religion part is fake and stuff while 1 or 2 people are arguing with him that it isn't. While none of them are really providing any facts to it.

 

[Viper Daimao]

I don't have all the exact answers on some of that stuff, but why don't you try searching for yourself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_national_identity_card
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71910&highlight=amero

 

[Tokyo Psyblog]

Keep 'em coming!

OK, well here are some on varying subjects to be going on with:

• The Truth about the Theory of Evolution Parts 1-4
• Ten reasons WHY AIDS IS A HOAX
• Who Infiltrated America? Jesuits? Zionists? Illuminati? NWO? Aliens?
• Close Encouters: Proof of Alien Contact

Let me know when you've watched and evaluated those, and I'll find some more for you.

* Truth about the Theory of Evolution Parts 1-4 -- Flawed from the outset. Melodramatic scare movie that plays on fundamentalist delusions that the Genesis fable of creation is real, and that any science that contradicts it can't be true and must be evil. Linking/blaming the atrocities of Hitler (a raving Christian, and yes there is plenty of photo evidence of this online) on the writings of a 19th century scientist is disturbingly funny. The misconception of racial superiority was written into the bible long before Darwin.
* Ten reasons WHY AIDS IS A HOAX -- Most people, I'm sure, can't get past the title, which should have been "Ten reasons WHY AIDS IS A FRAUD." However, the premise is consistent with efforts to expose the cancer treatment industry as a massive money-making fraud.

I'll grab the other two tomorrow, but send me the holocaust one you mentioned.

For Grimlorn: Well is there any real information about RFID chips. Do they put them in passports now. What do they do,etc?
There was an excellent story in the Los Angeles Times on July 22 about RFID implants. The article has been moved to their online archives, but you should be able to find it. Yes, RFID implants are real. How these implants are being, or can be used is a topic that should be getting more discussion.
BTW -- the quip you were sent about WTC7 by poster Gorgonian is a myth. Even the CNN video of WTC7's destruction shows all the classic physical signs of a controlled demolition.

For Viper Daimao: This clown Conspiracy Clothes that you provided the link for is obviously another delusional nut case -- "The bible has been 100% accurate in its writing history in advance, this is how has validated itself. Challenge this claim..." Really? Why sure! Circular logic at its best! This is the same person who claimed there would be an alien encounter on July 4, which there wasn't.

Cheers! Psyblog

 

[Gravy]

BTW -- the quip you were sent about WTC7 by poster Gorgonian is a myth. Even the CNN video of WTC7's destruction shows all the classic physical signs of a controlled demolition.

Hello, Tokyo. This statement is false. There are no signs in the videos, and no other evidence, and no logical reason to believe, that WTC 7 collapsed due to anything but damage and fire, as is true with the towers. There's plenty more information about WTC 7 in the link in my signature. Please get informed. Silly unsupported claims will earn you nothing but derision here.

 

[Viper Daimao]

For Viper Daimao: This clown Conspiracy Clothes that you provided the link for is obviously another delusional nut case -- "The bible has been 100% accurate in its writing history in advance, this is how has validated itself. Challenge this claim..." Really? Why sure! Circular logic at its best! This is the same person who claimed there would be an alien encounter on July 4, which there wasn't.

You're correct, the bible is not 100% accurate as far I know. I was merely trying to help with searching for info on the zietigest movie. It appears you need to do a lot of the same for wtc7 if you think it was a controlled demo.

 

[beachnut]

Yeah... I never said that. In fact, I never said what I thought of this movie.

What I said was that I came to this forum on the premise that it offered insightful comments from an "educated" group -- and was disappointed to find very little.

Okay, it is tripe, very bad. Like junk. What do you want? Go ahead, do the perfect review and tell us all the facts and good stuff. When can we expect an educated review of the film?

 

[beachnut]

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BTW -- the quip you were sent about WTC7 by poster Gorgonian is a myth. Even the CNN video of WTC7's destruction shows all the classic physical signs of a controlled demolition.

Cheers! Psyblog

No, WTC7 show the signs of a bad CD. Did you really watch it? Gee, the top section failed first, well before the rest fell. Plus the building burned all day long. I have never seen in the history of high rise buildings a building burning all day before pushing the button. You see, fire would burn up and cook off the charges. Darn, that makes WTC7 the least like any CD ever in the history of the world. Forget the review of the movie, your ability to make rational conclusions may be flawed.