Your thoughts on Astral Projection.

[Sasha]

Amy, I get the impression that you had these dream occurrences before you had ever heard of astral projection and that, after googling in some pertinent search words, you came across a website where others had shared similar experiences and had an exciting explanation for them. The idea of astral projection is exotic and exciting and I understand how you might want to be associated with this magical idea or think of yourself as having special abilities. However, many of us here have had just the same experiences but have drawn the more logical conclusion that they're just weird, funny, or sometimes even unsettling, dreams. Nothing supernatural about them, in fact they're quite common.

I wonder, if you had happened upon this website before you found the other, would you have considered your dreams in a more rational manner?

 

[Belz...]

I could care less if I left my physical body or not. I'm just telling you guys (again and again) what happened to me accidentally nearly four years ago. I know that astral projection must be real... how could I not know? Everything I read on that website has happened to me. I'd be a fool not to believe it.

Sorry, but by that logic, you should also believe in Feng Shui, or whatever it's called, UFOs, distant healing, reflexology and homeopathy.

Unfortunately (or, actually, fortunately) it doesn't work that way.

Fact is, "that website" may tell you things that correspond to your experience, but it doesn't mean that their CLAIM (that it is astral projection instead of a dream) is true.

If you guys' astral project some day you'll know what I'm talking about. You skeptic guys seem pretty scared of spiritual/non-physical things...

Why would we be scared at the prospect of new, fascinating physics ? That just seems like yet another rationalisation by a believer : "If they don't believe it, it MUST be because they're affraid of the truth."

Newsflash, girl: We are skeptics BECAUSE we seek the truth. Believers do not have that problem.

 

[steenkh]

If everyone here would go to Google and type in Spiritual AU, and then click on the website, and go to the FREE ARTICALS - astral projection section, it talks about everything I've done by accident. Click on 'what is the astral realm...' and it'll talk about the melting hands phenomena, etheric matter, converting a lucid dream into an astral projection, etc.

OK, I have been at the site you mention, and I can assure you that it is a complete load of bollocks! For instance, in that article, it starts by explaining what is the astral dimension:

The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all thought.

What is a dimension? How do they know how close it is to the physical dimension? How do they know whether it permeates the world like yada, yada, yada? All words, no proof, or even arguments.

Just like the article on Angels. It explains:

Angels are beings of light

Really? How do they know? I thought that they were made of a mysterious material that would melt if you looked at it?

All of these articles are just made up. Pure fantasies of how these people would like the world to be, not what it really is.

Wake up!

 

[AmyWilson]

Thank you so much for posting the website, steenkh!

According to the website, our dreams take place in the astral dimension, which is why time is slower in that dimension, etc.

That astral projection artical is NOT made up. I've done it by accident. All of it is exactly what I've done before.

Astral projection is probably natural (not paranormal), people just don't understand it yet... remember people used to believe the Earth was flat.

 

[JLam]

Amy,
Why do you think that you've got it all figured out, and that very smart scientists -- who do nothing but study sleep patterns -- don't know what they're talking about.

According to the website, our dreams take place in the astral dimension, which is why time is slower in that dimension, etc.

Please define "dimension" and cite the evidence you have that the astral dimension is the closest to the physical dimension. How does this website know that dreams take place in the astral dimension? How do they know the astral dimension exists?

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I could care less if I left my physical body or not. I'm just telling you guys (again and again) what happened to me accidentally nearly four years ago. I know that astral projection must be real... how could I not know? Everything I read on that website has happened to me. I'd be a fool not to believe it.

All that tells you is that your experiences fit the descriptions given at the site. It does not tell you that their explanations for the experiences are in any way correct.

~~ Paul

 

[I less than three logic]

Uh... Wait untill Interesting Ian finds this thread...

I seem to be seeing this more frequently, it is becoming a popular warning.

 

[AmyWilson]

Amy,
Why do you think that you've got it all figured out, and that very smart scientists -- who do nothing but study sleep patterns -- don't know what they're talking about.

Please define "dimension" and cite the evidence you have that the astral dimension is the closest to the physical dimension. How does this website know that dreams take place in the astral dimension? How do they know the astral dimension exists?

I don't think I've got it all figured out. I just find it fascinating knowing astral projection is real and not many people knowing that it's real.

I think scientists are very smart people, but LIMITED to studying only physical things.

The astral dimension, too - looks fluid and changeable, exactly like the website says. I recall a few other experiences (which I didn't tell anyone here about because I might get beat up even more), where my bedroom walls looked fluid and melty. I sleep on my back every night, so astral projecting might be earier for me. A dimension is supposedly a higher realm sitting on top us at a higher frequency... like another TV channel.

It either looks like I'm insane and should be hanged for my beliefs, or we're all astral/etheric angels from Heaven. Perhapes we are multidimensional beings.







*covers head*

 

[Ducky]

Dear Amy,

Your last post is a text book example of post-hoc reasoning, argument from incredulity, willed ignorance, and a gross misuse of physics to explain something you have imagined.

Have a nice day.

-Ducky.

 

[AmyWilson]

Dear Amy,

Your last post is a text book example of post-hoc reasoning, willed ignorance, and a gross misuse of physics to explain something you have imagined.

Have a nice day.

I'm telling everyone here flat-out facts.

It may sound dumb, wrong, or odd, but I'm still saying facts.

 

[Ducky]

I'm telling everyone here flat-out facts.

It may sound dumb, wrong, or odd, but I'm still saying facts.

No you are not telling everyone here facts, though you believe you are. You are actually using all of the logical fallacies I have listed above to explain why you believe something in your imagination is fact.

Have a nice day.

-Ducky.

 

[Belz...]

According to the website, our dreams take place in the astral dimension, which is why time is slower in that dimension, etc.

Huh ? Time flows just as fast when you're dreaming. Whatever would make you think otherwise ?

That astral projection artical is NOT made up. I've done it by accident. All of it is exactly what I've done before.

Give me five minutes and I can make up a woo explanation for ANYTHING. Just because the explanation fits the facts does not make it true.

Astral projection is probably natural (not paranormal), people just don't understand it yet... remember people used to believe the Earth was flat.

Yeah. Then they god EVIDENCE (ooh, that word again!) that it wasn't true.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Newsflash, girl: We are skeptics BECAUSE we seek the truth. Believers do not have that problem.

Very well said. We are tired from obtuse fantasies, We are true seekers, not woos. stay with us, you might learn something.

 

[AmyWilson]

Huh ? Time flows just as fast when you're dreaming. Whatever would make you think otherwise ?

Are you nuts? When we're dreaming it feels like an hour can go by... then when we wake up in the morning sometimes only two minutes went by on the physical clock.

You know it's true. You're just searching for a reason to disprove anything now.

 

[Belz...]

Okay, please try to pay attention, here.

I don't think I've got it all figured out. I just find it fascinating knowing astral projection is real and not many people knowing that it's real.

- How do you know it's real ?
- How can you TELL that it's not just a dream ?
- Why would whatever was written on that web site of yours indicate that it WASN'T a dream ?
- Will you make the experiment proposed to you on this thread ?

I think scientists are very smart people, but LIMITED to studying only physical things.

So ? There are easy ways, as described here, to verify if astral projection exists, and they're all practical. If no other explanation existed, scientists may be more inclined to believe that it is true.

The astral dimension, too - looks fluid and changeable, exactly like the website says.

Spinning wheels sometimes appear to spin backwards. Be careful about appearances or what people claim about them.

I recall a few other experiences (which I didn't tell anyone here about because I might get beat up even more), where my bedroom walls looked fluid and melty. I sleep on my back every night, so astral projecting might be earier for me. A dimension is supposedly a higher realm sitting on top us at a higher frequency... like another TV channel.

But isn't that also a quality of dreams ? That things melt or distort or whatnot ? Again, how can you tell the difference. You seem more interested in confirming your beliefs than learning the truth about these occurances.

It either looks like I'm insane and should be hanged for my beliefs, or we're all astral/etheric angels from Heaven. Perhapes we are multidimensional beings.

We are. Four-dimensional.

 

[Ducky]

Are you nuts? When we're dreaming it feels like an hour can go by... then when we wake up in the morning sometimes only two minutes went by on the physical clock.

You know it's true.

I see you are not here to listen, just to argue. Perhaps you and kurious_kathy can start your own forum.

Perhaps if you actually READ what we post, and not react with your knee-jerk apologetics for your beliefs, you might learn something.

 

[SirPhilip]

It either looks like I'm insane and should be hanged for my beliefs, or we're all astral/etheric angels from Heaven. Perhapes we are multidimensional beings.

Perhaps; most likely we're bags of mostly water, other chemicals, and maybe a mysterious attribute that allows for the ability to evaluate nature at a level that can't be directly observed.

 

[Belz...]

Are you nuts? When we're dreaming it feels like an hour can go by... then when we wake up in the morning sometimes only two minutes went by on the physical clock.

Funny. I thought you would have claimed the opposite: That you have the impression that the night goes by much faster when you sleep.

But it's all an illusion, and if you manage to stay focused on elapsed time while you're sleeping, you'll see that there is no "time dilation" or "contraction".

 

[Belz...]

and maybe a mysterious attribute that allows for the ability to evaluate nature at a level that can't be directly observed.

Maybe not.

 

[SirPhilip]

I'd like your opinions on Astral Projection. Thanks.

Hi Amy. A lot of us often experience this form of sleep disturbance. Many of these lucid states can be brilliantly real, sharp, and colorful - and in some cases, meaningful events. However, they are what they are, lucid dreams. So far, nobody is known to have actually extracted real information or data from them. If you feel that there is more to it than that, however, you have your work cut out for you seperating sense from nonsense from them.