Your thoughts on Astral Projection.

I once astral projected. The picture wasn't as clear as if I had used astral plasma HD, but it was watchable.

Thing is, astral plasma HD screens are so expensive...
 
Amy, I don't mean to pry, but do you happen to take an antidepressant? Many antidepressants, such as Zoloft, are known to cause very realistic dreams.

Even if you don't, please realize that scientists have studied sleep for a long time and have an explanation for how it works, as well as chemical explanations for the experiences you describe. It's OK if you don't believe us (in fact, I encourage you to be skeptical about everything you read), so I recommend taking a look at some encyclopedias and respected science resources. For instance, here's a site at Stanford's website that describes sleep paralysis: http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html.

The important lesson here is twofold- don't trust what you're reading without considering the source, and always try finding a scientific explanation for phenomena before you consider pseudoscience and ridiculous ideas. There is nothing scientifically impossible about dreaming that you're walking around your room and that your hand is set on fire.
 
I used to do Astral Projection, but my bulb burned out.
 
Hi Amy. Welcome to the site. I hope you don't take peoples skepticism here as "bashing".

From your experience...

About four years ago, when falling back into deep sleep in bed, I rose up (almost by accident) and started walking around my room. I thought I was simply lucid dreaming (a very real lucid dream - no dream qualities about it) ... I'd walk toward my desk while lucid, walk around my room, look at my bedroom walls, etc, then while standing next to my desk I looked down at my hand and watched my hand melt. This event has happened to me by accident more then once.


You say you thought it was a lucid dream.
Well, what made you decide that it wasn't a lucid dream? Because that's exactly what it sounds like to me.

I would like you to at least consider the possibility that after you found the website which presented Astral Projection as an established fact, that you reframed your experiences under that world-view.

Just consider the possibility. I mean, it may be true that you have astral projected. (I can't prove you didn't.) But you should at least consider the possibility that you didn't, and look for a possible or even better, a more likely explanation, and not just the first website that seemed to describe your experience.
 
Admiral said:
Even if you don't, please realize that scientists have studied sleep for a long time and have an explanation for how it works, as well as chemical explanations for the experiences you describe. It's OK if you don't believe us (in fact, I encourage you to be skeptical about everything you read), so I recommend taking a look at some encyclopedias and respected science resources. For instance, here's a site at Stanford's website that describes sleep paralysis:

The important lesson here is twofold- don't trust what you're reading without considering the source, and always try finding a scientific explanation for phenomena before you consider pseudoscience and ridiculous ideas. There is nothing scientifically impossible about dreaming that you're walking around your room and that your hand is set on fire.
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That's really good advice.
 
AmyWilson said:
There's an unbridgeable difference between dreaming (jumbled memory images in your mind) and walking around your bedroom wide-awake for about 40 seconds and then walking toward your desk wide-awake and watching your hand melt.

Everything Spiritual.com.au talked about on the Astral Projection subject I've done by accident. It's not like I wanted to astral project in the first place.

:jaw-dropp
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You might want to consider the possibility that people tend to report similar experiences because their brains tend to be wired in the same way, and because the stored information activated during dreams tends to be similar for people of a similar culture.
 
AmyWilson said:
Here is one of my astral projection events everyone, please don't bash me until you've read it... :)

About four years ago, when falling back into deep sleep in bed, I rose up (almost by accident) and started walking around my room. I thought I was simply lucid dreaming (a very real lucid dream - no dream qualities about it) ... I'd walk toward my desk while lucid, walk around my room, look at my bedroom walls, etc, then while standing next to my desk I looked down at my hand and watched my hand melt. This event has happened to me by accident more then once.

When I bought the internet years later, probably four years later, I read on Spiritual.com.au (World's Most Popular Spiritual Destination) that when you project the astral body close to the physical world, the astral body is made out of etheric matter... and if you try to look at your hands or arms, for example, they'll melt very quickly like ice under a blow torch. Ethereal matter is supposedly what angels are made out of, too.

I wish I could astral project for James Randi, but I can't never get relaxed or meditated enough to astral project on purpose. :) It's odd knowing that astral projection is real, and people not believing it. It's like knowing the birds outside are real and people saying they're not. All my astral projections have been by accident. Seeing through your closed eyelides when waking up or physical paralyses is also said by some to be the projection taking place.

It's true.
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How could you tell that it's not just a dream ? I've had some pretty messed up ones.
 
From my standpoint:
Astral projecting is a travel in your own imagination.
It is a dream/fantasy.
Deeper than most perhaps, but most definately NOT a different realm and most definately NOT a disconnection from your body.

And that's comming from a witch....
 
AmyWilson said:
Here is one of my astral projection events everyone, please don't bash me until you've read it... :)
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You said it right the first time. Its called Lucid Dream. These can be VERY vivid, often the sensorial quality in them is amazing, easily compared with what we experience in the real world.

Still, a dream is a dream, it vanishes when you wake up. Oh and the hands experiences, I have done it often, the sensation is amazing. I love to be a fairly good lucid dreamer.
 
Amy said:
There's an unbridgeable difference between dreaming (jumbled memory images in your mind) and walking around your bedroom wide-awake for about 40 seconds and then walking toward your desk wide-awake and watching your hand melt.
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My son can do amazing things while he's asleep. He can get up, navigate to our bedroom, tell us about an event of the day (in a rather muddled manner), answer questions, and go back to bed. He is clearly asleep the entire time. I walked into his room a few days ago to find his DVD player still running. He was snoring. I fumbled around trying to turn the thing off. He said "Come on, Dad," reached over, and turned it off. A second later he was snoring.

By the way, notice that your hand did not, in fact, melt. This gives you an indication that your mind is playing tricks on you.

Welcome!

~~ Paul
 
I had an odd dream years ago that I still can't quite figure out. I'll condense it:

I am terrified of spiders, so to wake and find one on my headboard (moving very strangely now I think of it) caused me to exit my nest sharply and run into the hallway of the flat. At this time I was living with my mother so the fact that I screamed at the top of my lungs FOUR TIMES (another oddness) really should have woken her. For some reason I didn't go and get her to help with disposal of said spid, and I just went and sat in the front room until she got up.
That night, we searched my room top to bottom for the offending creature with no luck. I was satisfied in the end that it was not there and dared to sleep in there the next night.

What I imagine must have happened is: I was dreaming the initial incident, sleepwalked into the hall and the screaming in my mind woke me, after which I walked awake into the front room.
It still strikes me as very strange though, as I can't recall a moment of waking other than the time in bed. My mother is such a light sleeper that there is no way that she would have not heard me screaming.
 
Well, the first thing I'd ask is "Is this a purely mental phenomenon?" That is, could it be all in your head, whether you call it a dream, a lucid dream, an astral projection, or just a hallucination? And so far it appears the answer is yes, it is purely mental. The obvious way to prove it isn't purely mental is to go into another room or somewhere and observe something you couldn't imagine/dream/hallucinate.

Even if it is a purely mental thing, it's still somehow different from normal dreaming and worth talking about. Amy, if we haven't scared you away yet, could you expound on your thoughts? Do you think you could observe something in another room while projecting?
 
Amy, I think you have let silly people lead you into substituting silly ideas for good ones. You thought at first you were having a lucid dream, and it sounds as if that's exactly what you had. There's no reason to believe, unless someone tells you, that dreams must be jumbled and nonsensical. Some of us have extremely realistic dreams, which are very convincing, and often more realistic than a dream that something physically unlikely like a dissolving hand has occurred. Just because some spiritual site on the internet says your astral body will dissolve when you look at it does not mean that there even is such a thing. I can find sites on the internet that suggest your mother is a man eating space lizard, but I doubt it is true, don't you?

Of course you can believe anything you want, but it is more sensible and economical to beleive what is most likely. You were asleep, and when you sleep you dream. You thought your hand dissolved. You woke up, and it had not. The explanation at the top of the list is that you dreamt it. It is known that everybody dreams. To believe that this event was a dream requires no adjustment of any known truths, laws or principles of science or common sense. Somewhere way way down at the bottom of the list of possibilities is a complicated construct of supernatural events, physics-defying principles and theories about things not provable to exist which adds up to astral projection.
 
I;ve got a question about these dreams...I'm not sure this was sleep paralysis or what..I haven't researched these topics. However for about 2 weeks I wasn't getting enough sleep and would take naps during the day. I lived with my mom at this time. (This was less than a year ago) and constantly during these naps I'd feel like I had woken up but I couldn't open my eyes or move, I'd try as hard as I could and nothing. I'd think I was awake because I could hear my girlfriend in the room with me (which she was) watching tv (which she always was when I finally managed to get up). I told her what kept happening and that if she ever thinks I'm in this state to please shake me and get me out of it because I hated it. Awful experience. Anyway like I said this kept happening, than one time...and this must of been some totally insane dream....I woke up in my paralyzed state and I heard my Mom come in and talk to my GF. She started to tell her crazy things like "His Dad used to beat me, and molest him" (These things are simply not true at all, believe me) and talking about other spousal abuse he had committed...etc. I couldn't move and I kept trying to shout at her. Than when I finally fully came to I asked my GF all about it (she is always truthful with me, always) she had no idea what I was talking about. Neither did my Mom.

Now wtf was that...because there were times where what I heard was actually going on (IE the GF watching tv and when id come to she was watching that same program) but this seemed totally real. Also I havn't been sleep paralyzed in months...I hope it stays that way.
 
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