Your thoughts on Astral Projection.

Plastic said:
Now wtf was that...because there were times where what I heard was actually going on (IE the GF watching tv and when id come to she was watching that same program) but this seemed totally real. Also I havn't been sleep paralyzed in months...I hope it stays that way.
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You sure you heard your girlfriend watching TV, or simply dreamed that you did? After all, it seems like you knew beforehand that she might be there.

The other possibility is that you simply mixed real sounds (of the TV) into your dreams.

There are no hard and fast rules about how dreams work.

~~ Paul
 
Well you're right maybe I didn't "REALLY" here her.
Although I can say, I don't dream that often, and when I do I ALWAYS know I'm dreaming. And the sense of "touch" never exhist in my dreams. But in these states, the few times it kept happening, I could like feel myself trying my absolute hardest to open my eyes, I even remember if I pushed hard enough I could wiggle my fingers...but that took A LOT of effort. Part of what I told my gf. If you see my fingers wiggling, shake me!
 
AmyWilson said:
Here is one of my astral projection events everyone, please don't bash me until you've read it... :)

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I wish I could astral project for James Randi, but I can't never get relaxed or meditated enough to astral project on purpose. :) It's odd knowing that astral projection is real, and people not believing it. It's like knowing the birds outside are real and people saying they're not. All my astral projections have been by accident. Seeing through your closed eyelides when waking up or physical paralyses is also said by some to be the projection taking place.

It's true.
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Amy, the only way you'll be convinced that AP is a load of rot, is to convince yourself. Here's a suggested test.

Take a book, preferably one with few words per page (perhaps a child's story book), make sure it is not one you are familiar with.

Place it on top of a wardrobe or somewhere out of your regular line of sight.

Now, with eyes closed, open the book randomly and prop it open, perhaps with a paperweight.

Next time you go "Astral Projecting" make sure you float over to the book and read the pages and try to remember the content.

Now this is the important bit.

When you wake up, IMMEDIATELY write down what you remember of the pages' content you saw in your dream. AFTER you've done that, then and only then, go and check the book and note down what is on the pages.

Put the book back and repeat.

Repeat it, oh, I don't know, 10 times? And see if any of your dream memory matches reality. If you're REALLY Astral projecting, you should be spot on with matching the OBE and "reality".

Remember - don't cheat, be honest with yourself, because the only person you'll convince is yourself.......
and only you will know that you've cheated, too....
 
Plastictowel:

I'd say it was hypnopompic/hypnogogic (sp?) hallucinations.

This happens either right as you're about to sleep, or as you're waking (one word for each). BAsically, the body wakes, but the mind is still dreaming. Paralysis is common, as well as awareness of your surroundings, but the mind adds in images, sounds, and whatever else to what is actually around you.

From your description it's even more likely. These types of hallucinations are more common when you're getting less quality sleep, such as short naps instead of a full night. I've had two in my life. One, when I was younger. There was a Godzilla movie on TV late one night. My parents had agreed to let me watch it, and were going to wake me up when it came on (I was maybe 8?). Anyway, when Dad cam to wake me up, what I saw were three identical men in tuxedos and top hats, holding canes, shaking my leg. Needless to say I declined to wake up :).

The second time was a simple sleep paralysis episode. I woke up, completely unable to move. Mentally I was freaking out. I saw a dark-robed skeleton at the foot of my bed reaching for me (classic 'death' image) and that woke me up and snapped me out of it. I'd never felt so afraid in all my life. Absolutley horrifying, utter and total, completely irrational fear. THis was also a time when my sleep schedule was off..I was up late at night, and often was awakend by heat and light before I had gotten a enough sleep.
 
ChristineR said:
Well, the first thing I'd ask is "Is this a purely mental phenomenon?" That is, could it be all in your head, whether you call it a dream, a lucid dream, an astral projection, or just a hallucination? And so far it appears the answer is yes, it is purely mental. The obvious way to prove it isn't purely mental is to go into another room or somewhere and observe something you couldn't imagine/dream/hallucinate.

Even if it is a purely mental thing, it's still somehow different from normal dreaming and worth talking about. Amy, if we haven't scared you away yet, could you expound on your thoughts? Do you think you could observe something in another room while projecting?
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AmyWilson said:
When I bought the internet years later, probably four years later, I read on Spiritual.com.au (World's Most Popular Spiritual Destination) that when you project the astral body close to the physical world, the astral body is made out of etheric matter... and if you try to look at your hands or arms, for example, they'll melt very quickly like ice under a blow torch. Ethereal matter is supposedly what angels are made out of, too.
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Ask how they know what the astral body is made of! How can they determine that anything is made out of etheric matter, let alone astral bodies, when they cannot even show that etheric matter exist?

And how can they know what angels are made of when they cannot even prove that angels exist! Is it because angels are made of etheric matter that we never see them because they melt away? :p

It's odd knowing that astral projection is real, and people not believing it. It's like knowing the birds outside are real and people saying they're not.
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Can you seriously distinguish between realistic dreams and reality? Just how do you think a realistic dream would differ from reality?
 
Theres been a couple of times when I've been on the border of waking or dropping off and I've been aware that I'm dreaming. I'm able to consciously move my eyes and 'pan around' in the dream. It's a great experience!!!...but I've never put it down to an actual out of body experience. I just know (well, explain it to myself) that it's just my dreaming mind taking a bit of precedence over my 'fully alert and caffinated' mind.

The frustrating thing is that as soon as I become aware that I'm doing it, I focus on the fact, which wakes me up a little more and the ability vanishes...the dream scene just fades into the blackness of the back of my eyelids and then I realise that the bedside alarm will be going off at some point soon....

Amy, no one is telling you to just stop believing what you believe (I think thats the exact opposite of what the forum is about) ...but please just be willing to at least ENTERTAIN the fact that they are just dreams, and then carry out some of the experiments suggested on this thread to prove it to yourself either way. You have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose
 
The hypnagogic/hypnopompic states have been known for some time. At one time, it was called "Old Hag Syndrome":
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa112000a.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hag_Syndrome

But it's more commonly known now (as others have pointed out) as simply "sleep paralysis". A few more links:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9810
http://skepdic.com/sleepparalysis.html
http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050709/bob9.asp

Amy,

It seems odd that you first attribute your experience to lucid dreaming, and then dismiss that. Why? Do you WANT it to be astral projection? Is lucid dreaming too mundane an explanation? Just curious. Personally, I'd rather know the truth, and not try to perpetuate a fantasy. But that's just me.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!
 
bruto said:
Amy, I think you have let silly people lead you into substituting silly ideas for good ones. You thought at first you were having a lucid dream, and it sounds as if that's exactly what you had.

Of course you can believe anything you want, but it is more sensible and economical to beleive what is most likely. You were asleep, and when you sleep you dream.
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Hi. :)

Astral projection includes lucid dreaming... with the exception that astral projection is said to take place OUTSIDE the dream, letting you walk astrally around your house.

If everyone here would go to Google and type in Spiritual AU, and then click on the website, and go to the FREE ARTICALS - astral projection section, it talks about everything I've done by accident. Click on 'what is the astral realm...' and it'll talk about the melting hands phenomena, etheric matter, converting a lucid dream into an astral projection, etc.

Please at least look at the above website... :) it explains it a lot better then I can, read about what I did, then come back and tell me if you think any different.
 
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AmyWilson said:
If everyone here would go to Google and type in Spiritual AU, and then click on the website, and go to the FREE ARTICALS - astral projection section, it talks about everything I've done by accident. Click on 'what is the astral realm...' and it'll talk about the melting hands phenomena, etheric matter, converting a lucid dream into an astral projection, etc.

Please at least look at the above website... :) it explains it a lot better then I can, read about what I did, then come back and tell me if you think any different.
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No.
 
Amy, we have heard all these stories before. Do you really want people to come back from that website and give you a blow by blow of what is wrong with what the site says? To give you more explanations like the ones already provided here? And if we did would it change your belief at all? I doubt that.

You need to do as has been suggested and test the AP out. Only when you have tested yourself will you really begin to understand what has been happening to you.

You need to have a mind open to other possibilities, even if those possibilities are more mundane and make you feel less special.
 
Dear Amy

We have been there, I can tell you that I loved to think about the possibility of leaving the body. As I grew (in my understanding) I learned that it is not possible, and that the "explanations" that those kind of people give are just wishful thinking. In the best possible case, and nothing more.

I understand your enthusiasm about the possibility, and I can tell you that you can still enjoy the experiences as much as I enjoy mine. You know it, you have Lucid Dreams, thats it.
 
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I could care less if I left my physical body or not. I'm just telling you guys (again and again) what happened to me accidentally nearly four years ago. I know that astral projection must be real... how could I not know? Everything I read on that website has happened to me. I'd be a fool not to believe it.

If you guys' astral project some day you'll know what I'm talking about. You skeptic guys seem pretty scared of spiritual/non-physical things...
 
AmyWilson said:
I could care less if I left my physical body or not. I'm just telling you guys (again and again) what happened to me accidentally nearly four years ago. I know that astral projection must be real... how could I not know? Everything I read on that website has happened to me. I'd be a fool not to believe it.

If you guys' astral project some day you'll know what I'm talking about. You skeptic guys seem pretty scared of spiritual/non-physical things...
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Not scared. Skeptical. Of things without evidence.
 
AmyWilson said:
I could care less if I left my physical body or not. I'm just telling you guys (again and again) what happened to me accidentally nearly four years ago. I know that astral projection must be real... how could I not know? Everything I read on that website has happened to me. I'd be a fool not to believe it.

If you guys' astral project some day you'll know what I'm talking about. You skeptic guys seem pretty scared of spiritual/non-physical things...
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You can believe any wooish nonsense you like, nobody here really cares all that much what you believe. You came here to tell us what you would like to think happened to you and a few people have, very patiently, explained the reality of it. It's not a case of skeptics being scared of people's fantasies, it's more a case of you being scared, or unwilling, to accept more rational if mundane explanations for your experiences. Scientists have studied sleep and associated disorders, they know quite a bit about it, if you choose to ignore that and prefer a fantasy explanation that makes you feel good, fine, but don't expect us to believe you just because you want us to.
 
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