YELLOW BAMBOO TEST!!!

[mbuehner]

These guys are missing out on a huge revenue stream. Skeptics would pony up big bucks to whack these hucksters with a pole. Heck, id fly to Australia on my own dime just to smack these shmos around for a while. Maybe the new age healing people can get involved too, sounds like a great stress reliever: "Smacking around wanna-be ninjas cured my high blood pressure!" Its all about keying into the chi of the universe. And the universe hates dueschebags.

 

[Powa]

mbuehner, you don't seem to post much. Six posts in four years? 1.5 posts per year?

 

[baliwesternman]

Heck, id fly to Australia on my own dime just to smack these shmos around for a while.

This is GREAT! We would like to invite you to the demo that Peter Delly of Perth has chickened out on.

We would like to scheduel it for the last week in May 2005. Please let us know if you are serious or just a liar like randi and kramer?

BWM

 

[Kimpatsu]

This is GREAT! We would like to invite you to the demo that Peter Delly of Perth has chickened out on.

We would like to scheduel it for the last week in May 2005. Please let us know if you are serious or just a liar like randi and kramer?

BWM

Are you applying for the $1 million? If so, you must follow the challenge protocol.

 

[princhester]

I'm not going to Perth any time soon, baliwesternman, but any time you want to get knocked over in Brisbane, let me know. I'dl love to watch, and maybe even participate (gettin' old, and haven't tackled anyone for 20 years )

 

[baliwesternman]

A test has been conducted. The applicant failed.

You probably all know the Yellow Bamboo Baloney.

Here is the link to the test. I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/


(Edited by Darat to correct URL.)

He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

 

[thatguywhojuggles]

Re: Re: YELLOW BAMBOO TEST!!!

He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

Regardless, it is still a complete failure of YB. What have you to say about that?

 

[Kimpatsu]

Re: Re: YELLOW BAMBOO TEST!!!

He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

Where is the lie? A test WAS conducted; nowhere does Kramer claim that Randi did the testing.
Such obvious attempts at obfuscation can only mean one thing: you can't bear to look at the truth of YB's failure.

 

[baliwesternman]

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Regardless, it is still a complete failure of YB. What have you to say about that?

Glad you asked, in a bit of a rush, but here is my opinion:


A) **Every** other YB demo video has teh attacker running at the defender and they trying to hit them as hard as they can.

It would make sense that the test should be performed the way it was on every other video.

NOT saying the outcome would have been different but it would have made sense to do the perth demo exactly the way every other demo was done-

B) Now there are many videos showing yb defender being successful including the randi one in bali with joko tri-

FWIW- it seems randi only accepts as proper a test if yb fails- IE in perth they did not follow the randi protocol but he accepted those results but claimed his own representative joko tri
did not follow the protocol- you can bet if joko had won his challenmge that randi would have accepted it.

Instead in the randi bali challenge- cause randi needs to lie to avoid paying the money he claimed yb used a taser or stun gun- most people here just blindly accepted his explanation without really thinking it through:

1. Randi has a journalist there sitting only 2-3 meters fromt he action- surely he would have seen it if a gunb or taser was used.

2. If a taser was used you would have seent eh wires- the journao would have

3. If a stun gun was used then there would have had to be contact- there was no contact.

randis journalist was there- the taser or stun gun theory just dont hold water


but back to the main event- the perth yb test-

1. I think it would have been better if the perth attackers had followed the agreed protocol.


2. So at the very least I would like to see the perth test re done and the attackers follow the protocol- it is not understandable why they did not follow the agreed protocol.

3. No on the other hand CLEARLY the yb guy was not able to defend hiumself agaisnt grappling techniques so for the moment
we consider that yb is NOT to be taught as a defensive martial art.


OTOH- I would liek to see:

a) Perth test redone following the agreed protocol- I mean if randi can say a test is invalid if YB dont follow the protocol why cannot yb say a test is invalid if the attackers dont follow the protocol- what is good for one party should be good for the other.


b) Once that is done a above I woudl liek to see the same grappling attack done ont he founder of yb- just to be sure.


I am not saying I think it would turn out one way or the other I am saying if randi can require protocol to be followed or the test is disallowed it should be the same rule for yb defender as well.

anway see ya when i have mroe time kev

BWM-

PS_ Hey Kev when ya going to crosspost? I got loess than one month to organise the bali demo with peter delly

 

[Patricio Elicer]

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A) **Every** other YB demo video has teh attacker running at the defender and they trying to hit them as hard as they can.

It would make sense that the test should be performed the way it was on every other video.

But this is precisely the case of the Perth demo. The attacker ran to the defender attempting to hit him, ... and in fact the defender was hit. The other videos show the attackers falling before making contact with the defender. Why didn't the Perth attacker fall?

B) Now there are many videos showing yb defender being successful including the randi one in bali with joko tri-

FWIW- it seems randi only accepts as proper a test if yb fails- IE in perth they did not follow the randi protocol but he accepted those results but claimed his own representative joko tri
did not follow the protocol- you can bet if joko had won his challenmge that randi would have accepted it.

Instead in the randi bali challenge- cause randi needs to lie to avoid paying the money he claimed yb used a taser or stun gun- most people here just blindly accepted his explanation without really thinking it through:

1. Randi has a journalist there sitting only 2-3 meters fromt he action- surely he would have seen it if a gunb or taser was used.

2. If a taser was used you would have seent eh wires- the journao would have

3. If a stun gun was used then there would have had to be contact- there was no contact.

randis journalist was there- the taser or stun gun theory just dont hold water

Who is that journalist? Is he really a JREF representative?. Was he expressely appointed by Randi as part of the protocol?. In any case, the answer is simple. We couldn't see a damn thing in that (in)famous video because it was shot at night and in close up. How can someone decide for him/her self, regardless of any witness testimony, when it's not possible to see the action properly?. Why didn't YB carry out the demo in daylight as previously agreed?. Why do you expect us to believe in this dark and blurry video?. Pretty reasonable questions, huh?

 

[princhester]

Baliwesternman, in what way was the protocol not followed in Perth?

I don't take any notice of the other videos because they either don't show anything (they're taken at night) or they only involve YB people, who are hardly independant.

Why do you describe the journalist in Bali as "Randi's journalist" when he wasn't?

 

[baliwesternman]

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But this is precisely the case of the Perth demo. The attacker ran to the defender attempting to hit him, ... and in fact the defender was hit. The other videos show the attackers falling before making contact with the defender. Why didn't the Perth attacker fall?Who is that journalist? Is he really a JREF representative?. Was he expressely appointed by Randi as part of the protocol?. In any case, the answer is simple. We couldn't see a damn thing in that (in)famous video because it was shot at night and in close up. How can someone decide for him/her self, regardless of any witness testimony, when it's not possible to see the action properly?. Why didn't YB carry out the demo in daylight as previously agreed?. Why do you expect us to believe in this dark and blurry video?. Pretty reasonable questions, huh?

Okay they are pretty reasonable-

first of all I am NOT trying to suggest that the yb would work if they were to test as I suggest and I am NOT trying to promote yb as a form of self defense and taking your questions in turn

1. The perth attacker attempted to wrestle the person to the ground and put them in a jui jitsu hold they did not try to run at the defener and hit as hard as he could which is what every other attack demo video I have ever seen shows.


2. As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request. My point was the journo was not organised by the yb people but by randis representative himself.


3. As to why the video was taken in dark conditions- Joko Tri was late NOT yb so randis rep was late.


However- I would still like to see the demos for my own edification. Dont really mater one way or the otehr really now does it?

BWM

 

[baliwesternman]

Baliwesternman, in what way was the protocol not followed in Perth?

I don't take any notice of the other videos because they either don't show anything (they're taken at night) or they only involve YB people, who are hardly independant.

Why do you describe the journalist in Bali as "Randi's journalist" when he wasn't?

As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request. My point was the journo was not organised by the yb people but by randis representative himself.


As to why the video was taken in dark conditions- Joko Tri was late NOT yb so randis rep was late.


Hey but the big news is that a guy who trains YB is entered into a fighting contest this weekend in florida watch this space............

ha ha ha

 

[Zep]

BWM, would you please tell us the location and date of this "fight" in Florida the YB proponent is entering. We would like to obtain first-hand results of how he goes for you.

 

[princhester]

As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request.

What's your source for this? It doesn't accord with what I recall.

The perth attacker attempted to wrestle the person to the ground and put them in a jui jitsu hold they did not try to run at the defener and hit as hard as he could which is what every other attack demo video I have ever seen shows

Firstly, the YB guy was supposed to knock the attacker down using his amazing powers before the attacker got to him. He failed to do so. That the attacker then wrestled the YB guy rather than hitting him hardly seems relevant. The YB guy had already failed by then.

Secondly, you've watched the video. You've seen the discussions between the attacker and the YB guys about the protocol. What the attacker was going to do, and what was going to constitute a pass or fail were discussed at length. It was made quite clear that the attacker was going to force the YB guy to the ground and get a lock on him and that was going to be a fail. At no time did the YB guy say that that was an inappropriate protocol because the attacker had to "hit as hard as he could".

In other words, what you are engaging in is classic woo woo crap, in which a protocol is agreed, the protocol is followed, the woo woo fails, then the woo woo comes up with after-the-fact, never-before-heard whinges dreamed up to explain away their failure.

 

[Zep]

Hey BWM! Watch this video, please. The YB proponent was run at, attacked, and HIT SOLIDLY, not just grappled and held. I would tend to say that it was sincerely intended and not just a passing accident, wouldn't you?

OK, what's your next pathetic excuse...

 

[princhester]

Oh, Zep I don't know whether to think of that as priceless or just tragic.

 

[Kiless]

Oh, Zep I don't know whether to think of that as priceless or just tragic.

****in' funny, if you ask me. Love her indignant gestures at the end.

 

[CFLarsen]

This is what we need, when we battle superstition.

Video, audio, pictures.

"Stuperstition"?

 

[princhester]

Is anyone able to pick up what language they are speaking and what they are saying at the end? It sounds maybe German or one of the Scandinavian languages.