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YELLOW BAMBOO TEST!!!

baliwesternman said:
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html

I actually can see them quite well. But hey like I said because of cognitive dissonance- you will only believe what you see if it confirms your beliefs.
Do not let fact get in the way of what you believe cause you would lose your consciousness then :-)

See yua Kevin
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHA Baliwesternman. You're such a dums#!t! You provided a link of 3 videos. 1 shows Donavin pointing his hands at some hobos and them falling. 1 is a YB promotional/marketing video. 1 is of some guy wearing a yellow shirt waving his hands around, and other people wearing yellow shirts falling on the sand.

errr...where is this mystical power you were referring to? LOL!

Are you telling me if I fell on the sand on a beach, I'm now invincible?

Please be more immature.

btw. Any tests done in Sydney? I'll be happy to attend. You can tell the YB guys in Indonesia to take a flight here to Sydney, and they can win AUD110,000, which will more than cover for the air ticket.

110,000 - 1000 = 109,000.00 = Profit. WHY NOT APPLY? And that's not even close to the JREF prize.

Final word: GG.
 
Patricio Elicer said:
Yes, because it was done under controlled conditions. Be it an "official" or "unofficial" test, the important aspect is that the Australian skeptic was not knocked down.

As for the other videos, we can only tell for sure that those people fell to the ground, but it's not possible to tell the reason why. You say it's because of YB special powers. I say I don't believe you because the evidence isn't strong enough, there are mundane alternative explanations.
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1. he was NOT an Australian Skeptic and had nothing to do with the aussie skeptic society or whatever they cvall themselves.

2. It is interesting to note that both Kramer and Randi **lied** about the perth yb demo being a test but no one here seems to notice or care that they lie. But thats all part of being in their "cult" is it not?

BWM
 
baliwesternman said:
Actually you are right- Randi and Kramer *were* lying as usual when they claimed a "test" had been done.
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But if it was not a test, then what was it?

Whether or not the guy in the demo belongs to an Australian skeptic org is not nearly as important as the fact that he wasn't knocked down.
 
Hmm.. okay, I'm being a dunce again :p
That news post on PRWeb was back in Feb 2004. This latest video was recorded in 2005. So I'm trying to find out more about the previous yellow bamboo tests that were done.... one of the long-standing members should know a lot about this?

(And yes, of course I'm doing a search on it first ;))
 
Thanks Patricio :)
You missed this one though: Commentary for 17 Oct 2003

I also found the following links:
Relatively recent thread on this news: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39484&highlight=Serengen
Discussing the press: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28067&highlight=Serengen
More discussion about how Randi handled it: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37054&highlight=Serengen

To summarise (for those newbies like me)
Back in 2003, the Yellow Bamboo bunch were tested by Joko Tri. Joko Tri was NOT officially affiliated with Randi. However Randi did offer advice on the protocol to be used. Joko Tri WAS knocked down, however the resulting video showed the protocol was not followed at all, and it is difficult to determine what caused Joko to fall. It may have been a stun gun, or a number of other things. Nevertheless, it did leave things in the open as to whether something paranormal did occur. But certainly no real evidence.

Then again, in 2005, the Yellow Bamboo crowd were tested again. And this time it was a much better video, seems to be affiliated with Randi (in contention?), and a much tighter protocol was followed. They failed dismally. And looked like idiots.

Excuse any inaccuracies, correct them if you wish :)
 
Patricio Elicer said:
But if it was not a test, then what was it?
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sorry it is just an interesting troll - from the way randi and kramer announced it they claimed it was a randi test and the applicant failed, when in fact it had *nothing* whatsoever to do with any randi challenge- that was clear.

The mildly interesting point is that many people just blindly follow and accept as truth *whatever* randi tells them.

In generasl it seems people here pore over every detail looking for faults in others and jump on it but whatever randi spounts they accept as gospel.

They were clearly being economical with the truth when they talked about the perth test.

Pure and simple troll just cause im bored for a few minutes today and wanted to see what I could stir up, right Kevin?

BWM
 
No, people do NOT "blindly follow whatever Randi says". That is a strawman argument and a lie. We follow the evidence, which in this case has shown us that when proper controls are applied to the experiment, Yellow Bamboo fails miserably.
 
baliwesternman said:
In generasl it seems people here pore over every detail looking for faults in others and jump on it
BWM
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Excuse moi my ignorance but seeing YB practioners being knocked over and wrestled down by some giggling surfing guy isn't exactly just "a detail" suggesting that YB is as full of it as any other force field, "projecting my chi" cult. Or is it?

As for the videos where a bunch of YB practioners fall to the ground when they try to attack their teacher. That's not YB stuff causing that. It's clearly an act of divine intervention prayed for by a bystander who, using the secret knowledge of the Qabalah, connects to God so that He raises a force field around the YB guru. tsk tsk tsk...don't you people know anything?
 
Jocce said:
That's not YB stuff causing that. It's clearly an act of divine intervention prayed for by a bystander who, using the secret knowledge of the Qabalah, connects to God so that He raises a force field around the YB guru. tsk tsk tsk...don't you people know anything?
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Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along :D :p
Except it's not God, it's the sumerian goddess Ninmah...
 
baliwesternman said:
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html
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I don't know who those people are. For all I know they are people who have been paid to fall over.

If that's the quality of evidence you have to offer, I can produce video evidence that I can make people fall over by just THINKING about it. That would beat your silly shouting system hands down, wouldn't it?
 
baliwesternman said:
1. he was NOT an Australian Skeptic and had nothing to do with the aussie skeptic society or whatever they cvall themselves.
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Relevance = 0. Even without being a skeptic he was able to observe correctly that you guys are "losers".

2. It is interesting to note that both Kramer and Randi **lied** about the perth yb demo being a test but no one here seems to notice or care that they lie. But thats all part of being in their "cult" is it not?

BWM
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Demo or test, it would seem that KRAMER considered the controls good enough that had YB knocked the person down it would have been a passed prelim for the challenge. The Australian Skeptics did most of the work here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52068&highlight=Yellow+Bamboo

Your complaint is void of content, your accusations hypcritical.
 
Most people who read these forums and/or Randi material in general have pretty much the same opinion of hucksters out to make a buck on other people's gullibility. But these Yellow Bamboo people seem particularly bad. Convincing people that they can actually defend themselves from physical violence with this nonsense is dangerous and irresponsible. Do the fraudsters involved not realize that, or do they just not care?
 
baliwesternman said:
sorry it is just an interesting troll - from the way randi and kramer announced it they claimed it was a randi test and the applicant failed, when in fact it had *nothing* whatsoever to do with any randi challenge- that was clear.
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean by this. In any case, for all I know Randi never claimed it was "his test". Kramer said it was a test conducted by Australian skeptics.
Kramer said:

Soon we began to receive correspondence from Australian Skeptics stating that they had picked up the ball on this one.

The test was conducted last week. The results are as one might expect from such a claim; they failed.
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The mildly interesting point is that many people just blindly follow and accept as truth *whatever* randi tells them.
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This is clearly not the case. It's not blind belief, a test was conducted and YB failed, we all saw it.
They were clearly being economical with the truth when they talked about the perth test.
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Regarding the Perth test, there's only one truth: YB failed.
Pure and simple troll just cause im bored for a few minutes today and wanted to see what I could stir up, right Kevin?
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Kevin? :confused:
 
I don't see why he keeps mentioning Kevin, like he's trying expose someone? pfft.

I don't see YB winning the 1million any time soon.
 
dinosaur_knight said:
...Convincing people that they can actually defend themselves from physical violence with this nonsense is dangerous and irresponsible. Do the fraudsters involved not realize that, or do they just not care?
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It has happened before.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ghost-dance
The ghost dance is chiefly significant because it was a central feature among the Sioux just prior to the massacre of hundreds of Sioux at Wounded Knee, S.Dak., in 1890. The Sioux, wearing shirts called ghost shirts, believed they would be protected from the soldiers' bullets.
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When it became apparent that ghost shirts did not protect from bullets and the expected resurrection did not happen, most former believers quit the Ghost Dance.
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I wonder if the YB people will quit their practice when shown that it does not work.

The Sioux were in a desperate situation, and were willing to try anything.
 
baliwesternman said:
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html

I actually can see them quite well. But hey like I said because of cognitive dissonance- you will only believe what you see if it confirms your beliefs.
Do not let fact get in the way of what you believe cause you would lose your consciousness then :-)

See yua Kevin
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Just a minor point: This is not cognitive dissonance, if anything, it would be confirmation bias. I prefer to think of it as reality.
BTW: the videos are hilarious. Please make more.
Just my two cents.
 
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