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Split Thread WTC7 is a problem for the 9/11 official story

Are you calling all the people that heard very loud sounds before the collapses liars?

The last time you said something like this you were asked to put forward one witness who heard loud noises who supports the CD theory, a single fire fighter, just one. On that occasion you failed to produce such a witness. It became abundantly clear that no such witness exists.It was clear that you simply cherry picked selective statements to fit into your agenda. Rather than accept this you now decide to rehash this in the hope that this has been forgotten and nobody notices. It isn’t and it as been noticed, therefore not only are fabricating lies to fit your agenda, now you are doing so knowing you are fabricating lies.
 
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Derail moved to AAH.

Keep it civil and on-topic from now on please.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode
 
Is that so ? Do you have a link ? Regardless, we know that the top of WTC1 essentailly exploded throwing beams and rubble and even core column segments for long distances, so explosives were used there in one way or another.

There can be little doubt that nanothermite was in the ower columns though given the volume of thermite residue found in the dust. This was used to completely melt many of the the core columns allowing the molten steel to flow down down into the basements where it emained slowly cooling for up to three months. Ten to fifteen thousand tons of it I reckon. How else do you think the rubble remained so hot for so long ?


How many columns were melted?? How many Bill?? Oh, thats right, none. Because as NGC has PROVEN, thermite CANNOT melt steel. Even massive amounts of it. It didn't even scar the column.

Can you please provide some evidence of this 10-15,000 TONS of molton steel?? I was there, never saw any molten steel in mass quantity.

Also, I do nto rememeber which thread it was in, but I explained in great detail WHY the fires burned for so long. Please don't bring that BS to the table AGAIN.
 
You got that proof the GZ investigators were all trained demolition experts and were looking for secondary devices yet?

I spent many weeks there at GZ, helping to extinguish fires, remove debris, and recover bodies and body parts. I know, for a FACT that there were FBI agents, ATF agents, and other govenment agencies looking through those debris. They found things like BUTTONS from shirts, wedding rings, pictures off of desks, and things like that.

I do believe that the ATF is SPECIFICAALLY trained to recognize bombs, considering they are called to investigate just about any bombing. Also, I believe that all FBI agents go through a course on making, disabling, and investigating bombs. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
 
Why does anybody bother with Bill? He/She's a none-factor filled with foolishness.
 
You got that proof the GZ investigators were all trained demolition experts and were looking for secondary devices yet?

I am sorry, I was mistaken, I believed there were ATF agents there, but I think that is incorrect. Here is a linky though.

http://www.wtcgroundzerorelief.org/freshkills.htm

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/groundzerocleanup,freshkillssortingopera

Aabout 1/3 the way down the page is where I get this information.

BTW, for them to specifically look for bombs would be assinine, considering we all watched the "bomb" fly into the building and blow up. That would be like looking for whomever left the sink running in New Orleans.
 
How many columns were melted?? How many Bill?? Oh, thats right, none. Because as NGC has PROVEN, thermite CANNOT melt steel. Even massive amounts of it. It didn't even scar the column.

Can you please provide some evidence of this 10-15,000 TONS of molton steel?? I was there, never saw any molten steel in mass quantity.

Also, I do nto rememeber which thread it was in, but I explained in great detail WHY the fires burned for so long. Please don't bring that BS to the table AGAIN.

But where did you see the molten steel ? I bet it wasn't all the way down in the basement where the bulk of it was ?
 
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Are you calling all the people that heard very loud sounds before the collapses liars?

How long has it been, three years? And you're still arguing that same BS?

LOUD SOUNDS ≠ EXPLOSIVES.

Now shall we please move on? This is so 2006.

You're more intelligent than this (at least I think you are)
 
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Because if the firefighters had been able to save the building, evidence of some complicity might have been easier to find.

Oh, right, I get it. The USG planned for the buildings to collapse into WTC 7, severe watermains underneath 1&2 so that there wouldn't be enough water pressure to fight the fires...... I get it now!! :rolleyes:
 
Oh, right, I get it. The USG planned for the buildings to collapse into WTC 7, severe watermains underneath 1&2 so that there wouldn't be enough water pressure to fight the fires...... I get it now!! :rolleyes:

didnt you know Rube Goldberg was Silverstein's personal assistant?
 
How many columns were melted?? How many Bill?? Oh, thats right, none. Because as NGC has PROVEN, thermite CANNOT melt steel. Even massive amounts of it. It didn't even scar the column.

Can you please provide some evidence of this 10-15,000 TONS of molton steel?? I was there, never saw any molten steel in mass quantity.

Also, I do nto rememeber which thread it was in, but I explained in great detail WHY the fires burned for so long. Please don't bring that BS to the table AGAIN.

I haven't seen the National Geographic Show but if they didn't explore nanothermite in detail that should tell even you debunkers that the fix was in.
 
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I haven't seen the National Geographic Show but if they didn't explore nanothermite in detail that should tell even you debunkers that the fix was in.
Nanothermite has to exist in quantity first. Since it doesn't, there isn't anything to try to experiment with. If it did actually exist and NG was able to get a hold of some, so would have Jones to use for comparison to the red chips. Nanothermite is just another red herring that the TM put out to fool sheeple like you.
 
Nanothermite has to exist in quantity first. Since it doesn't, there isn't anything to try to experiment with. If it did actually exist and NG was able to get a hold of some, so would have Jones to use for comparison to the red chips. Nanothermite is just another red herring that the TM put out to fool sheeple like you.

Did they even mention nanothermite ?
 
Did they even mention nanothermite ?
I haven't watched it yet. The whole nano/super-thermite is only just a cop out. Either way, it all works on the same principal. So, based on what was said, thermite did nothing to the column. There is no reason to believe any of the other versions would have any more success.
 
I haven't seen the National Geographic Show but if they didn't explore nanothermite in detail that should tell even you debunkers that the fix was in.

What do you think this "nanothermite" is capable of that 150 pounds of mere mortal thermite cannot do?
 
I haven't watched it yet. The whole nano/super-thermite is only just a cop out. Either way, it all works on the same principal. So, based on what was said, thermite did nothing to the column. There is no reason to believe any of the other versions would have any more success.

Nanothermite is a whole other beast by comparison to regular thermite. NG know that so if they did not report on it in detail in their documentaary on thermite they are being deliberately misleading. The fix like I said.
 
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Three buildings fell as a result of 2 planes crashing into 2 of them and you think there are no suspicious circumstances? But you are quite prepared to accept the explanation that dislodged fireproofing and lack of water supply for sprinklers is a valid reason for their collapse?


Listen Kid, I know you are kinda new to this whole "real world" thing, so I will try to go slow for you. Please feel free to rebut me if you can, or run away, whatever you choose.

I have been a firefighter for just about 15 years now. I was a NYC firefighter for almost 5 years, including 9/11. I also have a degree in fire science, and teach at the state fire college in Florida. Have been doing so for about 3 years. Now, on to the good stuff.

There were no suspicious circumstances on 9/11. At all. Not one. I knew that we didn't have alot of time to get people out of the high rise after the first plane hit. I knew it would collapse. We just couldn't fight that much fire with the lack of a standpipe system near the impact floors. Plus, the fire retardant that was on the beams is only rated for 1-2 hours. Now, when that plane crashed into the building, there was no doubt that most, if not all, of the fire resistant foam would come off. Hell, you could scrape that stuff off with a pocketknife. So, without the FRF, there was no chance of those buildings collapsing. I know this, because I was freaking THERE.

You still following along?? Good. Pay attention now, it gets kinda complicated, so I will go slow.

Unprotected steel will heat quite quickly. Heck, in the NGC's special, it took only 3:40s for a steel I beam to twist and warp from fire. That fire was nothing more than jet fuel. It was just a matter of time before things started failing. Sprinkler systems don't do **** for HUGE, ACRE SIZED fires that are SUDDENLY started because of a plane crashing into them. They wouldn't have been able to make even a dent in it even if they HAD been working.

Here are some facts for you.

On average, fire sprinklers only flow about 11-30 GPM. Even if you had 100 on each floor, that is ONLY 3,000 Gallons per minute. In comparison, 2 "2" inch lines will flow ~328 GPM EACH. Now, over a floor that size, there would most likely be about 15-20 lines, which equates to 4920 GPM.

So, in conclusion, even if there were the BEST sprinklers that had the MOST flow, and there were 100 of those sprinklers on each floor, it STILL would not have been able to put out that fire. Fire sprinklers in commercial buildings are designed for life safety FIRST, then firefighting SECOND. They are designed to handle small office fires, not huge explosions.
 
Getting back to the topic. Has BS (how appropriate that is) shown us (with actual evidence) why WTC7 is a problem? All I've seen so far is a bunch of same-old that the "truthers" haven't been able to support for 3 years.

BS, time to step up to the plate and do what no other "truther" has even attempted to do, TELL THE FRIGGING TRUTH!
 

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