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WTC Dust said:
Just asking, has any troll dropped by JREF for a while and then put a public seminar on the JREF calender to more fully expose their data to JREF scrutiny? I'm guessing it might be a first.
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No, but there has been at least one who has put a public seminar on the JREF calendar to claim to fully expose their data while simultaneously admitting they have no data, because no data is available, but it's OK because they are right and if you're right you don't need the scientific method because that's how science works, silly.
 
WTC Dust said:
My question to you is "how long would it have taken these concrete floors you speak of to fall twelve feet?"

Since the lower floor isn't going to fall before the upper floor hits it (under a collapse scenario), then how long will it take for the second floor plus the first floor that fell to fall down to the third floor in the sequence?

Etc. going all the way down adds up to more than a minute.
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I'm guessing calculus wasn't a prerequisite to get your PhD.

I'll add that to the list of things you apparently know nothing about.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Let's take a look at this claim, then shall we.

the standard definition for the word "Foam" is a collection of bubbles. or, if you will, a framework of solid material surrounding gas-filled voids (bubbles).

What is the gas in the bubbles in your heterogeneous foam?
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Since the foam has had time to come to equilibrium with the atmosphere, the bubbles are filled with air. Like a sponge. There's nothing but air in the holes.
 
Sabrina said:
So how do you account for the hundreds of eyewitnesses, both at the WTC I'm pretty sure they'll tell you they saw a PLANE hit the towers.
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You haven't read my posts very carefully, if you're asking that question.

I've interviewed enough people who have said they saw (what they thought was) a plane in the sky with their own eyes and not on TV to deny this testimony.

It was a fake plane.
 
dtugg said:
Did you cheat off of the students who actually understood physics?
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I've often suspected that people who accuse me of lying are themselves liars, and people who accuse me of cheating are themselves cheaters.

You've called me a liar on many issues, each of which has been shown to be the truth. Can't you get the picture of what's going on here?
 
carlitos said:
We've had a guy predict that he would blind James Randi on a certain date, cause the grass on World Cup fields to die on a certain date, etc.

Someone else warned that "God will destroy SF and LA with fire and brimstone from heaven" on Yom Kippur, 2009.

Lots of woo woo types make predictions here and expose themselves to public ridicule. Really, the attention-whoring thing isn't unique.
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I wouldn't be subjecting my thoughts to your scrutiny if it weren't important. You're not going to find internet posts from me on those subjects.
 
leftysergeant said:
Since the lower floor isn't going to fall before the upper floor hits it (under a collapse scenario), then how long will it take for the second floor plus the first floor that fell to fall down to the third floor in the sequence?

Etc. going all the way down adds up to more than a minute.
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Impossible. Whacky old Judy herself says that it only takes 9 seconds for a billiard ball to get from the failure zone to the sidewalk.

At most, the collapses toook 2.5 times that. Had the floors each come to a stop lasting more than half a second before collapsing, they would have eventually arrested collapse.




Well, freaking DUH![/QUOTE]


You don't know Dr. Wood's results very well. She said that a billiard ball would fall the entire height of the WTC in the time it took for the destruction to happen, without any resistance from the steel beams. Not from the damaged zone.

You have to ask yourself, why didn't the steel beams provide significant resistance to the fall? It's because the steel was dissolved on the way down (and upwards, to the tops of the buildings).
 
alienentity said:
People can recognize cause and effect. You're in denial of this direct example.

The reason you need to do this is that your theory requires that a vague, hypothetical scenario (your electricity-beam-thingamajiggie) is the most direct causal relationship.


No it does not. It requires any mechanism at all that can generate metallic foam.


But you're wrong. That's all. You'll probably never admit it, but who cares? There are many fools in the world who believe silly things. You're just another in the vast crowd.:)



This is an asinine question. You're again on the road to another call to perfection fallacy. There is ample direct evidence, not worth discussing. You're wasting everybody's time with dumb questions like that.

Then don't read my posts, and don't tune into my seminar. Wouldn't want to waste any more of your time.
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alienentity said:
Do you have any idea how stupid that claim is? I don't think so. It's just sad if you actually believe what you write.

It's so messed up it's not worth countering. It's a truly worthless statement.

That's the best you got, ain't it? :eek: You're a truly awful scientist, I'm afraid. Really, really bad.
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Or really, really good. I was always the best in science going through school.
 
The Almond said:
More to the point: In 2004, the University Ridge apartment complex burned down in Clemson. That was a 3 story wood framed apartment complex of about 50 units. The fire department in Clemson spent 3 days pouring water on the smoldering ruins, in February, for a fire that was entirely above ground. Thankfully, no one was harmed in the fire.

In conclusion: Fire hot! Fire make burn! Fire burn long time! Make water go on fire!
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3 days is reasonable. 300 days is not.
 
triforcharity said:
Show me a plane flown at extremely high speed into a building on purpose.

And yes, there is a difference between know WTC dust samples and yours. The others are not contaminated, and have been under the care, custody, and control of someone since very recently after 9/11.
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Since the dust was in most cases, scooped up from the ground, how was it not contaminated? The dust I collected never touched the ground!
 
triforcharity said:
Yes, and they are things like mold, mildew, rotting corpses, burning flesh, organics, different fuels, including diesel, gasoline, kerosene, and hydrocarbons. NOTHING was suprising to the firefighters. NOTHING.

Why do you not understand this?
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If you say that NOTHING was surprising to the fire fighters, then why did they all proceed up the stairwells into the buildings? Why do you have fire fighters acting all gobsmacked on the Naudet videos?

The fire fighters were surprised by what went down. Many of them paid with their lives. Do you really think the fire commander would send his troops upstairs expecting the buildings would go away like that? That is a stretch. I think of fire fighters as good people, not deliberate murderers.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Here's something that might be of interest to you, WTC Dust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash

Check out the chemical composition, and note that it is highly heterogeneous, appearing "foamy" in the electron micrograph shown.
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That fly ash is exactly opposite in character to the dust I found. You can make a comparison of fly ash and one of my dust samples in Data Slide #3.
 

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WTC Dust said:
3 days is reasonable. 300 days is not.
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Go google swamp fires, or landfill fires, or even underground coal fires.

The fires burned for 99 days.

Your delusions are confusing dust from a massive construction site, for something else.

What, I don't know.
 
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