WTC dust

[Oystein]

What I see as very suspicious is the amount of dust.

What was the amount of dust?

Also, the very short pile of debris at Ground Zero. Almost nothing was visible above a ten foot fence from ground level on Day 3 after the attacks. They say all that steel got shipped to China, but there wasn't a convincingly large pile of steel at Ground Zero. I've never seen anything resembling direct evidence that steel was shipped to China, only stories.

How large would you expect the debris pile to be? If you think large amounts of materal are missing, where do you think it went?

Instead, you had all this dust every place. Dust appeared at ground level before either of the Twin Towers went poof.

Dust has a way of being quite pervasive.
Where is your proof that dust appeared before 9:58, when the first tower went poof? Did that proof factor in the debris that rained down from the damaged and burning towers?

You can see it on Rick Seigel's video and many other images. Both buildings standing, yet whitish dust rising from ground level.

What do you think this whitish dust is? Where did it originate? How did get to the ground, and why is it rising?

No concrete floors bashing into each other could cause this to happen.

Says who, and why?

The lobby of my building was filled with dust before either building fell. Explain this, concrete-dusters!

Which is "your" building?

 

[Oystein]

Space beams isn't Dr. Wood's theory, and it isn't mine. Do a google search on your own for evidence of iron found in the dust. It's more satisfying to learn on your own, and that stuff isn't my research anyway.

Dr. Wood's theory hasn't been debunked. I'm waiting, guys. If you debunk it successfully, I promise to dump it ASAP, but not before.

What IS Mrs. Wood's theory? So far you only told us what it is not.
What is it??

TexasJack didn't say her theory was space beams. He asked you to reference any theory or any evidence by properly citing a document that contains the theory or the proof. So we know what you want to have debunked.
If you can't cite a source, we must suspect you don't have a source, and that means you neither have a theory nor evidence.
If there is no such theory or evidence, the thread is pointless

 

[Pardalis]

Or are you still not impressed and working on this idea that I must be a fraud because I'm not saying what everyone else is saying.

What exactly are you saying?

 

[Pardalis]

Very good question. I'm waiting it out on this one. Dr. Wood says that an "energy weapon" is the likely cause. I prefer to think of it as a "Tesla weapon" or an "electrical weapon", but I could very well be wrong on this.

If it was an electrical weapon, wouldn't it have interfered with the thousands of cameras filming the event, and the millions of electrical devices around Manhattan?

(BTW, what is an electrical weapon?)

It certainly wasn't gravity, as the "collapse" model expects you to believe.

It must have played some part in it, don't you think?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Wait. So you're saying that there was a 10' fence erected around GZ 3 days after the collapses? I call BS on that. The fencing was put up at least a few weeks after the collapses, before that crowd control was ordinary waist high pedestrian fencing used for parades and whatnot that were manned 24/7.

Then there's your complete lack of knowledge regarding basic trigonometry. Even if there were a fence that magically appeared 3 days after the collapses, assuming you were exceptionally tall and had an eye height of 6' and that the fence was 100' away from GZ and you were 20' away from the fence you wouldn't be able to see a 60' tall anything. So again I call BS.

Next. If you took all of the gypsum drywall used in the towers just to wrap the cores (ignoring all of the other uses such as interior partitions and any used on the inside of the perimeter columns) and stacked them in sheets you would have a stack of 4x8 sheets that would be at least twice as tall as the towers themselves... per tower. Crush them into dust and poof, plenty of dust.

Finally, if you think that anything other than jet airplanes traveling at a high velocity with thousands of gallons of jet fuel onboard being purposely flown into the buildings didn't do it but that somehow steel was turned into dust while people who were still inside the building survived then you need some serious medical help and possibly a jacket with really long sleeves.

 

[leftysergeant]

Dustified steel? Whenv whacky old Jones collected his supposed thermite samples, he did it by passing a magnet over some dust. ALL he got was paint chips.

Little, if any dust there was iron.

As for "Tesla weapons," you need to show some sort of tangible proof before I stop laughing at you. I am not even sure that Tesla knew what he was diddling with. Certainly, I have never read of his making a beam projector that did not produce some impressive kights.

Didn't happem in the towers.. Clear a spot for the fresh load of FAIL.

 

[BigAl]

What I see as very suspicious is the amount of dust. Also, the very short pile of debris at Ground Zero. Almost nothing was visible above a ten foot fence from ground level on Day 3 after the attacks. They say all that steel got shipped to China, but there wasn't a convincingly large pile of steel at Ground Zero. I've never seen anything resembling direct evidence that steel was shipped to China, only stories.

The "nothing was visible over a ten foot fence from ground level on Day 3" claim is complete fiction. Even if it were true it's irrelevant.

I walked past WTC every day to get home via the Staten Island ferry. I always walked as close to the pile as allowed. There was no such fence for weeks.

 

[triforcharity]

Being from New York doesn't mean you've examined the WTC dust. Has anyone, other than me?

I did. I spent months at GZ.

What is your point?

 

[triforcharity]

I've never seen any direct evidence that the steel was shipped off to be recycled, only hearsay evidence.

Look at the hole on 9/12, and there isn't actually that much steel. The pile at Ground Zero was shorter than two stories high. I saw this with my own eyes on 9/14/01. The "pile" at Ground Zero was not visible above a ten foot fence from ground level, although a few taller pieces were sticking up.

What was visible was the fumes, and I say the fumes and the dust were different forms of the same thing: the WTC buildings and contents.

Really? Not much steel?

OOPS!! Just two photos, and both show many many man pieces of steel.

Here is a picture of GZ about 9/16-17.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg

Zoomable, BTW, butmay take a few minutes to load, depending on your connection. It's huge.

Lastly, I am sure that some parts of the pile were short. However, the LIDAR images found here, show otherwise.

Look at the scale on the right. Notice something cool?

BTW, were thee buildings in the way of yu seeing the rest of the complex? Remember, 16 acres.

 

[triforcharity]

OK. I tend to believe all the peer reviewed papers that mention the iron that was found in the dust and I'm not talking about Steven Jones' ridiculous non-peer reviewed travesty of a paper, either.

They found iron in the dust. Steel is 98% iron. Where's the question?

You should read all this info, and try to understand it.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/

 

[triforcharity]

When you say they've "seen" the dust, what exactly do you mean?
They saw it in the hands of another person? They touched it with their own hands? They studied it using various technology? I'm interested.

What have you studied it with?

electron scanning microscope?

how about chemical makeup analysis?

Show us your paper, I personally would love to see it.

 

[Thunder]

Being from New York doesn't mean you've examined the WTC dust. Has anyone, other than me?

I breathed in that crap since 9-15-01.

And I went down there to assist in the recovery effort, breathing in much more at a higher concentration.

I lived in the Lower East Side at the time.


...and btw, how EXACTLY did you study/examine this dust? what instruments did you use? what process did you use to handle the dust as to minimize contamination?

 

[WTC Dust]

If you have proof that a device exists which can turn a couple hundred thousand tons of steel to dust in seconds, go ahead and post it. If not, there is no reason for any sane person to believe it exists.

Actually, yeah there is. Too many people are walking around thinking an airplane crash destroyed all those buildings (and hate Arabs because of it). Almost everyone else thinks that not only did a plane crash into the WTC, but additionally, explosives were used to finish the job.

Both of these ideas are incorrect, and they lead to false perps.

 

[WTC Dust]

You see The Sphere in your first picture? The pile wasn't taller than that. My point proven by your evidence. Love it.

 

[Thunder]

Almost everyone else thinks that not only did a plane crash into the WTC, but additionally, explosives were used to finish the job.

please clarrify.

who is "almost everyone"?

I have lived in NYC all my life. I have friends and relatives in the NYPD (one is now a Captain). I have friends in the FDNY. I have many co-workers who are engineers and architects.

I have heard NO ONE make such a claim.

 

[TjW]

They saw all the dust. They know concrete can get smashed eventually into dust if you work hard at it. They twisted their minds around the gargantuan amount of dust seen rolling down the street, and then said, "Concrete. It's all concrete."

Wrong. That dust was steel, concrete, glass, wood, ceramic and everything inside the building. Almost the entire building was turned into dust, and that dust was a horrible, noxious thing. Unlike any dust you've ever seen before, and certainly unlike concrete (although it is the color of concrete).

I find it interesting that a research scientist has never heard of 'drywall'.

 

[dtugg]

Actually, yeah there is.

Nope. Burden of proof is squarely the person make the fantastic claim. And the idea that some exotic, undefined energy weapon destroyed the WTC is certainly a fantastic claim. In fact, is is one of the craziest things I have ever heard in my life. So you must provide evidence or no sane person in the world will believe you. But you will of course not provide any evidence for your claim. Because you cannot. Since it didn't happen.

 

[Thunder]

I've never seen any direct evidence that the steel was shipped off to be recycled, only hearsay evidence.

Look at the hole on 9/12, and there isn't actually that much steel. The pile at Ground Zero was shorter than two stories high. I saw this with my own eyes on 9/14/01. The "pile" at Ground Zero was not visible above a ten foot fence from ground level, although a few taller pieces were sticking up.

FEMA reports at least 300,000 tons of steel being recovered and shipped away from GZ.

I myself was at GZ, and saw a pile at least 3 stories tall. There are digital images of GZ showing elevations of the pile above 40 feet.

 

[BigAl]

You see The Sphere in your first picture? The pile wasn't taller than that. My point proven by your evidence. Love it.

Cherry pick much?

"The pile" was spread over more than 16 acres and the height ran from zero to a dozen or so floors. I saw the pile daily from 9/13 on. You apparently didn't.

I watched truckloads of steel beams being taken from GZ for months.

Based on what you've posted so far, you are an ignorant fraud.

 

[triforcharity]

You see The Sphere in your first picture? The pile wasn't taller than that. My point proven by your evidence. Love it.

Here are some more.

I have hundreds more.

BTW, that is a 100' Aerial Platform. Notice the pile in the background?