With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

Re: Re: With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

Elind said:
Haven't we already had this discussion? I seem to recall some heated accusations about targetting children just recently.:(

Heck, that may have been in this thread.

I know it's tedious, but the Fool and AUP don't get it unless you club them over the head with it. Maybe I should start a new thread to record cease fire violations?

Mortar shell strikes Gaza settlement

Qassam rocket in Sderot

IDF unearths bombs
 
originally posted by Webfusion
Regarding EJ Armstrong; he is really out of the loop.

I notice that you provide no support for this claim Webfusion. How unexpected.

I also notice there is absolutely no attempt to address any points I have made so this is clearly yet another attempt to demonise rather than construct a rational argument.

Just like like Mycroft you have failed to define your terms. What loop do you mean I wonder? The loop of people like Skeptic, Mycroft Cleopatra or zenith-nadir. Who would not be happy to be a barge pole's length away from that particular loop?

When you actually want to support your claim and/or make a rational argument, do let me know. Pip pip.
 
Palestinian lawyers urge action - 16 June, 2005

(BBC) - More than 100 Palestinian lawyers have demonstrated in Ramallah in protest at the breakdown of law and order.

Lawyers and judges in their black robes went to the cabinet office chanting for Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to come out.

One lawyer told the BBC that the PM's threat to resign if security chiefs did not contain the violence was meaningless if he didn't carry it out.

Mr Qurei is reported to have refused to meet the lawyers' representatives after they arrived at his offices.
In case anyone missed it, the intra-fada has begun. Something to ponder is if Palestinians cannot make peace with each other how the hell are they going to make peace with countries around them?
 
ZN:
"In case anyone missed it, the intra-fada has begun. Something to ponder is if Palestinians cannot make peace with each other how the hell are they going to make peace with countries around them?"

I know, just awful aren` they? If they can`t get themsleves together under a brutal occupation then we had better just shoot the ones who are left and bulldoze them into the ground and let those nice civilized Israelis take over...oh, maybe keep some for forced labour.
Sieg Heil mein ZN.
 
Oh, I see how it works! Only poor people can be terrorists. Rich nations with sophisticated weaponry can't be regarded as terrorists. Rich people have every right to claim poor people's land as their own. Rich people never lie about terrorism, just keep repeating to yourself 19 Arabs with boxcutters. Oh wait! some of them are still alive!http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/11/274981.shtml
Well it must have been Osama's al-Queda terrorists because Osama said himself that he did it. Wait a minute, that guy looks nothing like Osama bin Laden!http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the whole idea of an organized network of international terrorists known as al-Queda was created by America so they could convict Osama bin Laden for the embassy bombings in Africa.
Basically, everything that the US and Israel says about terrorism is a bunch of horsesh_t, and if you believe it, you're an idiot. I find it very troubling that alot of jackasses in my country demonize a whole race of people based on a bunch of lies told to them by the two worst terrorist states of all.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

I just want to know one thing, what is with you conservatives? If not for your contempt for the comman man, then for your greed, or your ability to turn into mindless idiots when you hear some nationalistic propaganda. What does it take for you guys to be embarrassed with yourselves?
 
demon said:
I know, just awful aren` they? If they can`t get themsleves together under a brutal occupation then we had better just shoot the ones who are left and bulldoze them into the ground and let those nice civilized Israelis take over...oh, maybe keep some for forced labour.
Sieg Heil mein ZN.
So the occupation makes Palestinian lawyers demonstrate in Ramallah to protest the breakdown of law and order....hmmmmm interesting....the occupation makes gunmen storm Dahlan's wife's hospital....the occupation makes Palestinian terrorists raid the vacation home of Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia......the occupation makes PA Interior Minister Gen. Nasser Youssef admit that the Palestinian Authority's security forces include many thugs and gangsters....the occupation makes Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie threaten to halt the work of the cabinet unless Palestinian security forces act to stem growing lawlessness in the West Bank and Gaza Strip....


At some point Demon old pal you will have to stop using "the occupation makes..." excuses and deal with the fact that Arafat created a society which is held hostage by gangs of islamist thugs that will trash a Palestinian hospital as easily as they will blow up an Israeli bus.
 
oops, another Jihadist killed while on a mission of peace

Basically, everything that the US and Israel says about terrorism is a bunch of horsesh_t, and if you believe it, you're an idiot.

Thanks for the contribution to this thead, blndrhed.
You have it all sorted out, good for you.
I'm glad there's somebody around here that is so intelligent and erudite in the claim that the Israelis are the actual terrorists in that part of the world.

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked..."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials


Never mind that the Israelis ARE being attacked!
I can already see the 'spin' from Islamic Jihad on this story:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/589298.html
  • Israel Defense Forces troops killed an Islamic Jihad militant Saturday afternoon after a four-person cell, comprised of Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Islamic Jihad militants, infiltrated the Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom.

"Israel has again violated the cease-fire by wantonly killing one of our valiant mudajadeen who was on a holy mission of peace.

You and demon will get along just fine.

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(did EJ Armstrong attempt to say something? This ignore feature is just wonderful.)

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Re: oops, another Jihadist killed while on a mission of peace

webfusion said:
Israel Defense Forces troops killed an Islamic Jihad militant Saturday afternoon after a four-person cell, comprised of Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Islamic Jihad militants, infiltrated the Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom.
More "ceasefire" for saturday 18 June 2005;

  • Hours later, an IDF solider was lightly wounded by Palestinian gunfire near the southern Gaza settlement of Gadid.
  • Also Saturday, Palestinians fired an anti-tank rocket at an IDF position near the Gaza settlement of Neveh Dekalim.
  • Earlier on Saturday, security forces thwarted two attempts to smuggle arms out of the West Bank...
  • At the Kalandiya checkpoint near Ramallah, soldiers arrested a Palestinian youth, 17, who was carrying a Molotov cocktail.
  • At the Hawara checkpoint near Nablus, soldiers arrested a second Palestinian youth who was carrying a full magazine of M-16 bullets...
  • On Friday evening, Palestinians fired a Kassam rocket at Sderot; the rocket landed in an open field near the town causing no injuries or damage to property.
 
Re: Re: oops, another Jihadist killed while on a mission of peace

zenith-nadir said:
More "ceasefire" for saturday 18 June 2005;

Violence goes up on Saturday because school is out.
 
More ceasefire for Sunday 19th June 2005.

  • Two Palestinian gunmen opened fire at the IDF's Girit post on the Philadelphi route. A short time later, the attack escalated with the firing of an anti-tank weapon on the soldiers and civilians working west of the post and on an IDF armored personnel carrier securing them, when three of the soldiers were wounded, one of whom died later in the hospital. link
  • A Palestinian gunman was killed and three Israelis were injured during an attack on a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip. A spokesman for the Ahmad Abul Rish Brigades, an armed group of the Fatah movement, told United Press International in a telephone call that one of its activists, Lutfi Wadi, 21, was killed in a joint attack with Saraya al-Quds, the armed wing of Islamic Jihad. link
Just another day in the "ceasefire"!...

In case anyone forgot, Fateh is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority. So attack #2 today was perpetrated by an armed group which has direct connections to, and is part of the ruling Party of the Palestinian Authority.

And why am I cataloguing these JREFers? To illustrate that this goes on day after day, month after month, year after year, decade after decade...even during a so-called ceasefire by the Palestinians. Hopefully by cataloguing this "ceasefire" day by day any true skeptic shall be able to figure out that it is islamist terror groups and not "19th century zionists" who perpetuate this conflict.
 
Palestinians vow to stop attacks

GAZA CITY, June 19 (UPI) -- A senior Palestinian official vowed Sunday armed attacks against Israel would be stopped by force if they could not be stopped through dialogue.

Information Minister Nabil Shaath told reporters in Gaza the continued attacks against Israeli targets were "part of the security deterioration and the chaos of weapons" in the territories.
Since 1993 this would be Palestinian Authority promise # 2,456,765.... ;)
 
Re: Re: Re: With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

Mycroft said:
Heck, that may have been in this thread.

I know it's tedious, but the Fool and AUP don't get it unless you club them over the head with it. Maybe I should start a new thread to record cease fire violations?

Mortar shell strikes Gaza settlement

Qassam rocket in Sderot

IDF unearths bombs
Yes it is tedious....but simple repetative tasks suit some people.

Please wake us all up when you get tired of spamming....
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

The Fool said:
Yes it is tedious....but simple repetative tasks suit some people.

Please wake us all up when you get tired of spamming....

Repeating the news may be tedious, but it's not spamming. I too would like to know why you wish to defend (or ignore) repeated ceasefire violations in advance of what is a stated objective of those same violators?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

Elind said:
Repeating the news may be tedious, but it's not spamming. I too would like to know why you wish to defend (or ignore) repeated ceasefire violations in advance of what is a stated objective of those same violators?
Im no defending or ignoring the ongoing problems in the occupied areas. That lie is getting tedious.

Tell me Elind...do you believe the cease fire never started? Do you believe it is over? This is the line that our resident warmongers wish to establish so they can get on with the military victory vision....
 
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/589330.html

Right-wing extremists living in the hotel at Neveh Dekalim in Gush Katif yesterday attacked Palestinians from the adjacent Moassi area. Three Palestinians were injured in the attack, which met a response of mortars being fired at Gush Katif.

In a separate incident, an Islamic Jihad activist was killed near the settlement of Kfar Darom in the center of the Gaza Strip.

Palestinian soures said Salah Amtayer, 55, was at the beach when he was beaten by settlers. Two other Palestinians, Mohammad Majaida, 19, and Nasser Wafi, 40, were also attacked when they came to Amtayer's aid. Police said that when the Palestinians threw stones at their attackers, a settler opened fire on them, and they suffered moderate injuries.

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About 30 families, including children, are living at the hotel, now named Maoz Yam. A hotel resident told Haaretz that police entered hotel rooms yesterday afternoon looking for suspects in the shooting of the Palestinians. He protested the alleged desecration of the Sabbath.

A spokesman for the Gaza Coast Regional Council said that hotel residents had been walking on the beach when they were attacked by dozens of Arabs, and that the wounding of the Palestinians had been an "act of self-defense" by the settlers. Shortly after the incident, about seven mortars were fired at Gush Katif. There were no injuries. Light arms and an anti-tank missile were also fired at soldiers in the area.

It's not just one way.

Also, as has been noted already, the pullout is seen as a vindication of violent resistence. Those behind the violence have been expected all along to continue the violence, as it legitimises the part in the pullout.

No peace process has ever seen a pullout such as this one, only violence has.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: With a cease-fire like this, who needs war?

The Fool said:
Im no defending or ignoring the ongoing problems in the occupied areas. That lie is getting tedious.

Tell me Elind...do you believe the cease fire never started? Do you believe it is over? This is the line that our resident warmongers wish to establish so they can get on with the military victory vision....

I don't think I have yet called anyone a liar, including you.

There was a ceasefire according to some, but since there is no real Palestinian government it's hard to say with whom.

Which military victory vision are you talking about? If I am to be fair, I should say that there are "warmongers" on both sides. Sometimes I am one. However the overriding vision that we hear the most about is that of killing jews and pushing the rest into the sea. I haven't heard a comparable one referring to the Palestinians. Have you?
 
Originally posted by a_unique_person
Also, as has been noted already, the pullout is seen as a vindication of violent resistence.

Does that make the violence okay? Are you now taking the position that Israel shouldn't withdraw from Gaza because it would encourage more violence from the Palestinian-Arabs?

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Those behind the violence have been expected all along to continue the violence, as it legitimises the part in the pullout.

Expected? By whom? Please clarify what you are saying here.

Originally posted by a_unique_person
No peace process has ever seen a pullout such as this one, only violence has.

What are you saying? Are you saying there is no cease fire because there is a pullout? That doesn't make sense, can you please clarify?
 

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