Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[dafydd]

It is like what happens to Ka Apaz. She is standing in front of the altar. When her spirit leaves her physical body, it collapses. Then the spirit of Ama enters the body and the body rises again.

An old woman falls down and then gets up again? Amazing, I'm convinced. How much has all this cost you over the years?

 

[dafydd]

Oh, where have you been,
Billy Boy, Billy Boy?
Oh, where have you been,
Charming Billy?
I have been to seek a wife,
She's the joy of my life,
She's a young thing
And cannot leave her mother.

How old is she,
Billy Boy, Billy Boy?
How old is she,
Charming Billy?
Three times six and four times seven,
Twenty-eight and eleven,
She's a young thing
And cannot leave her mother

I used to try and sing Martin Carthy's version of that. I couldn't find a video of Martin doing it, but here's his daughter having a go.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!

It is true that we (plural) talk to a spirit. And you do not believe what I say. I ask you to pick what you would like to hear in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm and http://aristean.org/mp3-files.htm . The transcription that I have done are in http://aristean.org/transcriptionxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 389.

I have had a most rare vision. I have had a dream past the wit of man to say what dream it was. Man is but an ass if he go about t’expound this dream. Methought I was—there is no man can tell what. Methought I was, and methought I had—but man is but a patched fool if he will offer to say what methought I had. The eye of man hath not heard, the ear of man hath not seen, man’s hand is not able to taste, his tongue to conceive, nor his heart to report what my dream was.

A Midsummer Night's Dream, Act IV, scene i​

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

We have to know the difference among body, soul, and spirit.

Yes, body is real, and soul and spirit are your made up things whose only support is personal revelation and an argument from ignorance.

So "our" problem is not lack of knowledge. Your problem is willful ignorance and fallacious logic.

FYI, it is only man who has soul, a living soul. Genesis 2:7 states, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

Great--Bronze Age creation myths tell us more about biology than modern biology!


Actually the word "spirit" is cognate to "breath". (And I'd be happy to speak of the Hebrew and Greek words, if you prefer.) The passage you cite does indeed seem to equate spirit/breath with soul. Your theology is certainly one of modern invention.

At any rate, your ancient naive mythology fails to respond to the fact that all you have offered is an argument from ignorance equivalent to O'Reilly's:

"Tide goes in; tide goes out. You can't explain that."

The response, of course, are the same two I've been making to you. First, yes we can explain that. Second, even if we couldn't, ignorance doesn't support any explanation--and certainly not the non-explanation "goddidit".

 

[Explorer]

20120802.0400

@TjW, #2810 Is it true that there is no God? Is it true that there is no spirit?

The failed prophecy says yes it is true that there is no God. No spirit either.

However, do not despair, as a god and/or spirit is not necessary for a fulfilled and rewarding life.

You have an opportunity following your humiliation on this thread, to redeem yourself and follow a new direction, that will be guaranteed to lead you to happiness.

Ditch the spririt, ditch the fiction of the Bible, and start thinking for yourself. Trust your self. Trust what you know is the real truth that you are quite capable of determining for yourself. Ditch the old woman and walk away. Spend a few months in total isolation,think hard on your past follies, and come back into society again with a new message of hope, and start contributing again to your community in a productive and positive way, uncluttered and untainted by a desparate and fruitless deference to an imaginary ghost .

You know it makes sense!

 

[AdMan]

That is correct, TjW, – pick up what is true, and discard what is false. Is it true that there is no God? Is it true that there is no spirit?

How can you distinguish the true God from the false gods? Simple. The true God can prophesy. The false gods cannot. Is that logical? The false gods cannot give any prophecy because his being a false god will be exposed. Will you believe or continue to believe someone who gives “prophecies” that do not happen?

PC, why are you following a false god?

You have openly lied in this forum when you said you would quit your prophecy garbage and you now follow what you called a false god. If your god exists, do you think he is very happy with you?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Oh, where have you been,
Billy Boy, Billy Boy?
Oh, where have you been,
Charming Billy?
I have been to seek a wife,
She's the joy of my life,
She's a young thing
And cannot leave her mother.

How old is she,
Billy Boy, Billy Boy?
How old is she,
Charming Billy?
Three times six and four times seven,
Twenty-eight and eleven,
She's a young thing
And cannot leave her mother


Wow. So the entire Roman record-keeping system has to be dismantled and put back together again to accord with your weird ideas about the world?

Perhaps you'd like us to change the date of the Fourth of July too?

20120802.0445

@Elizabeth I, #2819

The Fourth of July will still be the Fourth of July, unless you want that the Fourth of July falls forever on a Thursday. The reckoning will just be changed from the birth of Jesus to His crucifixion and death. Today is 2012-08-02. It will still be 2012-08-12 but from the death of Jesus and not from His birth. Instead of A.D., it becomes A.D.J. or “After Death of Jesus”.

What will be affected will mostly be during the first century A.D. and first century B.C. and earlier.

 

[Agatha]

I have years on my back forty eight. - Kent, in King Lear

20120802.0400

@TjW, #2810

It is true that we (plural) talk to a spirit.

Objection! You have no evidence to support your contention that you (plural, singular, it makes no difference) are talking to a spirit. It's much more likely that you are not, given that spirits have never been shown to exist. Fake mediums, actresses, and gullible people, however, are ten-a-penny.

And you do not believe what I say.

To be fair, you haven't said anything to make us think you are a reliable source.

Did WWIII break out on a Wednesday in the middle of the year?
Have the Olympics in London been cancelled?
Are draught excluders and duct tape effective against nuclear explosions?
Is there any metric by which the Philippines are the richest country in the world?
Was there ever an Egyptian princess called Reneliniyindi?
Is Reneliniyindi even an Egyptian name?
Have spirits ever been shown to exist?
Is numerology in any way useful or predictive?
Is it possible, sensible or predictive to extrapolate from a single data point?
Does history repeat itself in the way you have suggested?

All the answers to those questions are NO, and this is why we do not believe a word you say; because you have yet to say anything true or correct.

I ask you to pick what you would like to hear in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm and http://aristean.org/mp3-files.htm . The transcription that I have done are in http://aristean.org/transcriptionxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 389.

Unless there's a transcript of someone giving you lessons in critical thinking, basic biology, Biblical translation or history, I'll pass.

That is correct, TjW, – pick up what is true, and discard what is false. Is it true that there is no God? Is it true that there is no spirit?

Indeed, it is true that there is no God. It is also true that there is no spirit (other than alcohol, obviously).

The universe is an amazing, wondrous place and there is so much to learn and enjoy about it. It is beyond sad that you cling to magical thinking despite being shown to be wrong with every prediction or assertion you make.

 

[SezMe]

"Ma-a-a-a-rk three!"
"Half twain--quarter less twain--m-a-r-k twain!"

So they shouted, minute upon minute. I cannot translate their Mississippi-River English. Mark Twain's name in the mouth of the flat-nosed Ethiopian down there? Whatever did the name of the American humorist have to do with the muddy bottom of the Mississippi? Timidly I ventured the question to the captain.

"Two fathoms," said he.

- From Travels on the Lower Mississippi 1879-1880; A Memoir by Ernst von Hesse-Wartegg.

Disclosure: I confess that I actually drew this cartoon last year for my friends at StripGenerator. But don't think of it as a rerun--it's more like a revival resurrection.

Seems more fitting in this thread since PC seems facile at resurrecting dead prophecies.

 

[TjW]

20120802.0400

@TjW, #2810

It is true that we (plural) talk to a spirit. And you do not believe what I say. I ask you to pick what you would like to hear in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm and http://aristean.org/mp3-files.htm . The transcription that I have done are in http://aristean.org/transcriptionxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 389.

That is correct, TjW, – pick up what is true, and discard what is false. Is it true that there is no God? Is it true that there is no spirit?

What is true is that the prophecy is a failure. Even you have admitted that. Discard it. It is doing you harm.

 

[blue sock monkey]

To live a barren sister all your life,
Chanting faint hymns to the cold fruitless moon,
Thrice blessèd they that master so their blood
To undergo such maiden pilgrimage.

Disclosure: I confess that I actually drew this cartoon last year for my friends at StripGenerator. But don't think of it as a rerun--it's more like a revival resurrection.

Seems more fitting in this thread since PC seems facile at resurrecting dead prophecies.

If he tries to move that goalpost any further, he'll have to get it a passport.

 

[dafydd]

20120802.0445

@Elizabeth I, #2819

The Fourth of July will still be the Fourth of July, unless you want that the Fourth of July falls forever on a Thursday. The reckoning will just be changed from the birth of Jesus to His crucifixion and death. Today is 2012-08-02. It will still be 2012-08-12 but from the death of Jesus and not from His birth. Instead of A.D., it becomes A.D.J. or “After Death of Jesus”.

What will be affected will mostly be during the first century A.D. and first century B.C. and earlier.

Which parallel universe are you talking about here?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

It is true that we (plural) talk to a spirit. And you do not believe what I say.

And you don't believe what we say.

The stark difference is that you're asking us to believe what you say just because you say it. We are presenting evidence.

You attempted to offer evidence, but it failed. Now you're asking us to ignore the evidence and believe you only because you say so.

 

[rickps]

So the date of the existence of Pontius Pilate has to be adjusted in these revelations of the spirit. Ancient history, especially those around the first century B.C. and before, have to be rewritten.

Why, yes, let's do that. After all the written records mean nothing in the face of your awesome calculations.

 

[Foolmewunz]

20120802.0050

@Foolmewunz, #2774

You asked how come that Jesus Christ died “27 years BEFORE Pontius Pilate arrived in Judea?”

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So the date of the existence of Pontius Pilate has to be adjusted in these revelations of the spirit. Ancient history, especially those around the first century B.C. and before, have to be rewritten.

Revelations of the spirit? Don't you mean "based on my calculations" to which an old lady pretending to be a spirit replied, "Mmmph".

snip

If the war erupts on 08-08, then it would be a giveaway date. There is no more Wednesdays after the scheduled Closing Ceremony of the 2012 Olympic Games in London. The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games. What time the war would erupt on 08-08? I do not know.

Oh, don't sell your goal-shifting abilities short, PC! I'm sure you'll find some other convenient re-interpretation to allow you to continue with this farce. I'll be here with you to hold your hand when your 8/8 prophesy also fails.

That's a certainty. You do not have a channel to God nor to His Holy Spirit. You have a vivid, morbid and macabre imagination, and are deluding yourself. You now have so much invested in this that we are well aware that you won't change. Have you noticed that no one is asking for bets or guarantees when this next deadlines pass? Why do you think that is? Simple, really... you have no credibility.

God has been giving man time to change, to prepare for the event. But it seems that man is too busy. That is why the spirit said on 1979-10-19, “Heaven will make certain significant revelations which, however, will escape peoples’ notice due to their engrossment in self-centered activities.”

Is this your next "out"? The old "we prayed real good and the hairy thunderer decided to spare you lot" gambit?

 

[SezMe]

I'll be here with you to hold your hand when your 8/8 prophesy also fails.

You left off the year.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Never did I hear
Such gallant chiding; for besides the groves,
The skies, the fountains, every region near
Seemed all one mutual cry.

PeaceCrusader,
You're dodging the very direct questions that Pakeha repeated for you.

1. How do you account for the fact that Teh Spirit confirmed your life dates for Jesus, and has him dying 27 years BEFORE Pontius Pilate arrived in Judea? Do you not get it? Pilate was there. There are far too many points of corroboration in the histories and even in contemporary Jewish sources. Plus, there is archaelogical evidence as to his years as Prefect. All of those sources DO NOT use the Jewish dates you're trying to hide behind. And besides, it doesn't matter which counting system you use, you put Jesus' death before the arrival in the area of one of the chief protagonists in The Greatest Story Ever Told.

Either your bible lies (as do the texts from contemporary Jewish records and the stele (or whatever it was) with his record on it), or you have discovered a two thousand year old rip in the space-time continuum. For all its religious mumbo-jumbo, the Bible is fairly good as a history. Luke clearly noted the years of service of both Pilate and Antipas(Herod). Are you, the crone, and Teh Holy Spirit rewriting the NT?

To be fair, you haven't said anything to make us think you are a reliable source.

Did WWIII break out on a Wednesday in the middle of the year?
Have the Olympics in London been cancelled?
Are draught excluders and duct tape effective against nuclear explosions?
Is there any metric by which the Philippines are the richest country in the world?
Was there ever an Egyptian princess called Reneliniyindi?
Is Reneliniyindi even an Egyptian name?
Have spirits ever been shown to exist?
Is numerology in any way useful or predictive?
Is it possible, sensible or predictive to extrapolate from a single data point?
Does history repeat itself in the way you have suggested?

All the answers to those questions are NO, and this is why we do not believe a word you say; because you have yet to say anything true or correct.

Why, yes, let's do that. After all the written records mean nothing in the face of your awesome calculations.

There you people go again, trying to introduce facts into this discussion. But PeaceCrusader hasn't met one of those in years--no wonder he shies away from our commentary.

Nothing will come of nothing.

You don't just ignore facts, PC, you repel them as a duck does water.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

God has been giving man time to change, to prepare for the event. But it seems that man is too busy. That is why the spirit said on 1979-10-19, “Heaven will make certain significant revelations which, however, will escape peoples’ notice due to their engrossment in self-centered activities.”

I'm not sure I understand how God, the alleged all-powerful creator of everything, would ever be unable to grab everyone's attention if he really wanted to. Do religious folks understand how impotent statements like the above make their deity seem?

 

[AdMan]

I'm not sure I understand how God, the alleged all-powerful creator of everything, would ever be unable to grab everyone's attention if he really wanted to. Do religious folks understand how impotent statements like the above make their deity seem?

What's utterly silly is that an omniscient God would have known that his messages would go unheeded, and he could easily have yelled louder if he really wanted and was able to.

If he wasn't able to get his message across, it's his own damned fault. Stop blaming mankind.

 

[AdMan]

I pick up what I think is good for me and discard what I think is not. Yes, I question his being the only true God because of the failed prophecy (all Wednesdays before the Opening Ceremony of the 2012 Olympic Games). You will notice that I do not use “Holy Spirit” anymore. Just “spirit”.

Hey, PeaceCrusader, don't you think you should be modifying your websites, where you still refer to this generic "spirit" as the Holy Spirit?

Are you aware that you are blaspheming against the actual Holy Spirit by claiming your "spirit," who, it turns out, gets some prophecies wrong, is the Holy Spirit?

Do you know what your faith says about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit? Here's a hint:

Mark 3:29:
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.

I'd get on that editing if I were you.

ETA: No worries, I've blasphemed against the Holy Spirit lots of times, so I'll keep you company.