Will Biden run for the presidency in 2024?

[angrysoba]

Meanwhile Biden makes headlines sneaking in and out of Ukraine after an eventful SOTU address ...

Just to be clear, I am sure Biden will run and think he’s doing fine. The point was made about replacements and I think that indeed there are very few of those. For the next election it is clearly Biden or bust. No problem if you support him but at his age it is only reasonable to wonder if he can stay the course in the election.

 

[gnome]

He gave the 2004 keynote address at the Democratic National Convention. Which isn't chosen by lotto.

A very famous speech that a quick internet search will show received massive amounts of high profile praise to the point that there are "ten years ago" type articles written about it.

It was as messianic as politics gets.

It couldn't possibly be that he was actually charismatic and had the rare gift of sometimes being able to promote Democratic policy ideas without sounding condescending?

Somehow having a candidate that wasn't a constant snoozefest or sanctimonious, and managed to generate some sliver of enthusiasm instead of the usual apathy, means he was everyone's "Messiah".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Just to be clear, I am sure Biden will run and think he’s doing fine. The point was made about replacements and I think that indeed there are very few of those. For the next election it is clearly Biden or bust. No problem if you support him but at his age it is only reasonable to wonder if he can stay the course in the election.

Just to be clear I said multiple times and am tired of repeating it, name some of these potential candidates or quit whining.

 

[angrysoba]

Just to be clear I said multiple times and am tired of repeating it, name some of these potential candidates or quit whining.

Huh?

AS: There is a lack of potential candidates!
SG: Name them!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Huh?

AS: There is a lack of potential candidates!
SG: Name them!

Huh? exactly. There are a number of posts in this thread whining about Biden being too old.

But they seem to think he has to get out of the way before any younger alternatives dare peek their heads out from under the covers. That's crap.

My POV is quit bad mouthing Biden based solely on his age and some theoretical insistence he'll be too old to run in 2024. If one has something specific, fine, spell it out.

Badmouthing Biden based on his age is not going to result in those little youngsters stepping up to the plate. Either they exist or they don't.

All that badmouthing Biden is doing is chipping away at his viability.

 

[angrysoba]

Huh? exactly. There are a number of posts in this thread whining about Biden being too old.

But they seem to think he has to get out of the way before any younger alternatives dare peek their heads out from under the covers. That's crap.

My POV is quit bad mouthing Biden based solely on his age and some theoretical insistence he'll be too old to run in 2024. If one has something specific, fine, spell it out.

Badmouthing Biden based on his age is not going to result in those little youngsters stepping up to the plate. Either they exist or they don't.

All that badmouthing Biden is doing is chipping away at his viability.

Then you are demanding that I back up a claim I never made. I have pointed out that there are no viable alternatives and then you ask me to name who these viable alternatives are.

But, if you want me also to say that Biden's age is not an issue, then I can't do it, because I think it is. I think he pretty clearly lacks the energy that would have made him a more effective campaigner in the past, there surely have to be question marks even over whether or not he will live through his second term.

If there were viable alternatives or if one of them could be his running mate (rather than the palpably unpopular Harris who voters might have reservations over, particularly given Biden's age), then it would have been a good idea to bring them forward.

However because there are none, then, as I said before it is Biden or bust.

 

[gabeygoat]

let's face it, being black incentivized the traditionally low-turnout Black community to get to the polls.

In the general election, yes, but during the primaries, especially early on, Black voters were wary of nominating Obama as many were worried the Country wasn't ready to elect a black candidate

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Then you are demanding that I back up a claim I never made. I have pointed out that there are no viable alternatives and then you ask me to name who these viable alternatives are.

This is my point. Neither you, nor anyone else in this thread has any alternatives.

[snipped repetition]

However because there are none, then, as I said before it is Biden or bust.

So stop badmouthing him then. Do you even vote in the US elections?

 

[angrysoba]

This is my point. Neither you, nor anyone else in this thread has any alternatives.

So stop badmouthing him then. Do you even vote in the US elections?

Why are you badgering me to offer an alternative when I have explicitly argued there isn’t one?

No, I think it is still true that he is old and will struggle with the campaign:

No, I don’t vote in the US or anywhere.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
let's face it, being black incentivized the traditionally low-turnout Black community to get to the polls.

In the general election, yes, but during the primaries, especially early on, Black voters were wary of nominating Obama as many were worried the Country wasn't ready to elect a black candidate

I'd have to disagree with you there:
Even in Dec. 2007, Obama led Clinton in the Black community by 22 points:

In 2008, we directed the Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project (CCAP) (Jackman & Vavreck 2009a), a six-wave, nationally representative panel study of registered voters fielded between December 2007 and November 2008.

Among black respondents – who constitute 19% of respondents intending to vote in the Democratic primaries and caucuses – Obama leads Clinton by 22 points, 47–25. That is, as of December 2007, blacks are 2.5 times more likely to support Obama than whites.

...the Democrats, at least in the primary, expanded their base with a larger primary turnout of youth, African Americans, and Latinos, among others.

Obama won 90% of the Black vote in the 2008 Primary, so I'd say the Black community was incentivized by a Black candidate.

But we are going off topic.

 

[wareyin]

Obama won 90% of the Black vote in the 2008 Primary, so I'd say the Black community was incentivized by a Black candidate.

But we are going off topic.

To bring it back on topic: All of the complaints that Biden and the rest of the old guard need to be nurturing the next clear front-runner (and/or retiring so that the next clear winner will stop losing to them) ignore that that isn't how elections work with Primaries in the US. Obama wasn't the clear front-runner until he made himself so. If Biden runs, he's the clear front runner because he's the incumbent and he's doing a good job. If Biden decides not to run, then the next winner will likely be someone the general public isn't familiar with right now who step up and makes themselves the favorite like Obama did, or Bill Clinton did.

I'd be a bit surprised if it's Harris, but that's possible.

 

[Disbelief]

To bring it back on topic: All of the complaints that Biden and the rest of the old guard need to be nurturing the next clear front-runner (and/or retiring so that the next clear winner will stop losing to them) ignore that that isn't how elections work with Primaries in the US. Obama wasn't the clear front-runner until he made himself so. If Biden runs, he's the clear front runner because he's the incumbent and he's doing a good job. If Biden decides not to run, then the next winner will likely be someone the general public isn't familiar with right now who step up and makes themselves the favorite like Obama did, or Bill Clinton did.

I'd be a bit surprised if it's Harris, but that's possible.

Obama was helped immensely by his appearance on Oprah and her endorsement. She had a lot of sway, though I agree with your assessment. I think the idea isn't that someone has been groomed as a replacement specifically, but that there are not a lot of younger politicians with a lot of name recognition.

I think that Hakeem Jeffries might be able to step up if there is an opportunity, since he is far less polarizing than anyone from "The Squad". He appears to have the backing of the Democrats, though the speaker voting may not be reality.

 

[Delvo]

Marianne Williamson appears to be preparing to run.

 

[Delvo]

I think the idea isn't that someone has been groomed as a replacement specifically, but that there are not a lot of younger politicians with a lot of name recognition.

Somebody who'd been "groomed" by the people who currently run the party would be just like them, which would be a disaster continuation of the party's current long-running slow-motion disaster.

What the party needs is not a "groomed" (AKA annointed) candidate or even a neutral one they haven't paid any attention to, but the kind of person whom they've been actively going out of their way to squash.

far less polarizing than anyone from "The Squad".

"Polarizing" is a word (and concept) that the oldies who've been running the party into the ground use to keep their grip on power by suppressing anybody who might be any good.

 

[Disbelief]

Somebody who'd been "groomed" by the people who currently run the party would be just like them, which would be a disaster continuation of the party's current long-running slow-motion disaster.

What the party needs is not a "groomed" (AKA annointed) candidate or even a neutral one they haven't paid any attention to, but the kind of person whom they've been actively going out of their way to squash.

Not necessarily. They can easily be there own person but have been given a presence so there is name recognition and some achievements to tout.

"Polarizing" is a word (and concept) that the oldies who've been running the party into the ground use to keep their grip on power by suppressing anybody who might be any good.

No, they are truly polarizing as can be clearly seen in the news and on various forums. It's the reality currently, whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Why are you badgering me to offer an alternative when I have explicitly argued there isn’t one?

No, I think it is still true that he is old and will struggle with the campaign:

No, I don’t vote in the US or anywhere.

I'm not 'badgering' you. I replied to your post. Skim the thread. I've 'badgered' everyone posting that Biden is too old but who had no alternatives.

Social media amplifies these messages. We are amplifying the GOP attack message on Biden. What is the benefit?

None that I can see except it makes everyone feel better to complain. It's certainly not going to make Biden decide not to run.

 

[Stacyhs]

Obama was helped immensely by his appearance on Oprah and her endorsement. She had a lot of sway, though I agree with your assessment. I think the idea isn't that someone has been groomed as a replacement specifically, but that there are not a lot of younger politicians with a lot of name recognition.

I think that Hakeem Jeffries might be able to step up if there is an opportunity, since he is far less polarizing than anyone from "The Squad". He appears to have the backing of the Democrats, though the speaker voting may not be reality.

I agree. But, think of the excitement among the GOP who can recycle the focus on HAKEEM Jeffries. Maybe Trump can even demand Jeffries' birth certificate as an added bonus.

 

[lobosrul5]

My opinions on Biden have certainly improved as of late. Its more: I wish Biden was younger, than I wish someone younger would run. The odds of either party (hell, throw in 3rd parties too) nominating anyone who has political views closer than Biden's to mine are very, very low.

 

[Sherkeu]

I'm not 'badgering' you. I replied to your post. Skim the thread. I've 'badgered' everyone posting that Biden is too old but who had no alternatives.

Social media amplifies these messages. We are amplifying the GOP attack message on Biden. What is the benefit?

None that I can see except it makes everyone feel better to complain. It's certainly not going to make Biden decide not to run.

It's not a GOP thing - it's just reality. 65% of democrats do not want him to run again- in several recent polls, same as last year. How excited will voters be? How much support would the senate races get? How will Biden manage the Presidency and campaign at the same time? His schedule is already very light. He just physically can't do it.

For continuity, it may be best if any new ticket were not outsiders.
Possible ticket...

Mitch Landrieu (62) Former Mayor of New Orleans, now Sr Advisor to Biden and was in charge of putting the the infrastructure bill together. Already in a corner office of the West Wing so familiar with whats going on. Oprah is a fan.

Catherine Cortez Masto(58) - Senator from Nevada. Sharp in what I have seen, likeable, gets into specific workable solutions with good analysis.

Weaknesses are lack of foreign policy, but that goes for most US politicians. Also, no idea if either would want the job.

Whitmer would be a great candidate I think... but she doesnt like D.C politics and has no interest.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Just because some Democrats are buying into the too old narrative does not mean it isn't a GOP "thing". I also think that "65% of democrats do not want him to run again" is not only out of date already, it's too soon for it to be very significant.

As for your 2 (3) candidates, good, I'll keep my eye out for news on them.