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Why would Giuliani be any better than Bush?

Giuliani polls well for two reasons. Name recognition, and a compliant media willing to sell his nonsense for him.
 
Puppycow said:
A lot more people seem to be at least considering voting for Giuliani than approve of Bush's job performance.

So a question for anyone who disapproves of president Bush's job performance but is considering voting for Giuliani:

Why would Giuliani be any better than Bush?
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It would be almost impossible for him to be worse. So it is statistically likely that he would be better.

He is still on my list of people I would potentially vote for. Hasn't been disqualified. Yet.
 
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
It would be almost impossible for him to be worse. So it is statistically likely that he would be better.

He is still on my list of people I would potentially vote for. Hasn't been disqualified. Yet.
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Ah, the "he can't be any worse theory." But what if he starts a war with Iran? Or even just continues the current policy in Iraq? Maybe $100 oil will start to look like the good old days.
 
Bush handed over the formation of policy in his administration to a military industrial complex aristocrat and a rabid partisan who sees the purpose of government as a means to gather more power for the group he represents. In addition to this strange delegation of power, Bush was inept, corrupt.and strangely insecure.

Giuliani is less corrupt, less inept and is very unlikely to delegate the power of the presidency in any way similar to the way Bush did.

So Giuliani would probably be better than Bush. As Scrut mentioned it's very unlikely he would be worse.

But on the major philosophical area of foreign policy I think Giuliani means to carry forward and expand on the Bushco tradition of bellicosity and hawkishness. (Think President Cheney) This sets well with the military industrial complex lobbyists, the fundy Christians, the Israeli hawks and the my-country-right-or-wrong crowd. My own opinion is that it is a disastrous direction for the US and the world. I would not vote for anybody that will continue the US down that path.
 
Puppycow said:
Ah, the "he can't be any worse theory." But what if he starts a war with Iran? Or even just continues the current policy in Iraq? Maybe $100 oil will start to look like the good old days.
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I didn't see your post before I made mine, but I had similar thoughts. Yes, less corrupt, less inept but maybe underneath it all boils the mind of just one more neocon nut job that out does the Bush administration when he drags the US and the world into disastrous conflicts as he tries to gain advantages for US corporations, a 21st century version of 19th century European colonialism.

He could make Bush look good before he's done.
 
Good point. This poll found from the tag shows 12% choosing Giuliani: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90075

From saying moveon.org should face "sanctions" for their speech, to claiming never to have ever heard anyone say foriegn policy is a partial contributor of terrorists' motivation in response to Ron Paul, to saying the US military should be greatly increased (which would mean a draft) Giuliani is an Incredible Hulk version of George W. Bush.

If you're familiar with his history and his reputation in his home city then you'll know he's also crazier and weirder than Bush.

The former mayor's favorable rating in New York City was just 44 percent.
Fifty-two percent of city voters said they had an unfavorable opinion of Giuliani.
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http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2007/06/04/news/state/state05.txt
 
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Could it be possible for the Republicans to be any more out of step with America? When the entire Washington establishment is polling as low as it is, and with Bush's job approval rating being as low as Nixon's when he resigned, why would anyone campaign on the promise of doing more of what America has very clearly rejected?
 
timhau said:
At least he's a heck of a lot more articulate.
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Which would make him a more dangerous guy than Bush.
Is there anything positive about him I missed? :confused:

- He was incompetent to provide working radios for the NYFD, costing hundreds of lives on 9/11.
- He's in favor of security measures spying on innocent people.
- He's changing his wifes more often than some people their underwear.
- He's in favor of continue the war on terror and preemtive strikes.
- He's a lawyer :D

Oh, and there is much more:
 
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You could spill a vial of the Ebola virus all over the Oval Office and it would still make a better President than Bush.
 
Puppycow said:
Why would Giuliani be any better than Bush?
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He's smarter. That's a mixed blessing, as that means he might do a better job of selling bad policy, since he's also a better speaker than W. (Heck, so is someone with a hairlip.)

No, Rudy doesn't get my vote. Do we want four or eight more years of neoconservative policy?

I think not.

DR
 
From Oliver's wikipedia link:
Mayor Giuliani inherited a $2.3 billion deficit from his predecessor, David Dinkins. He left a $4.8 billion deficit for his successor, Michael Bloomberg. However, he has broadcast campaign advertisements in Iowa and other states, asserting that he “turned a $2.3 billion deficit into a multibillion dollar surplus.”
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He claimed on August 9, 2007 that "I was at Ground Zero as often, if not more, than most workers.... I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them." This angered NY Fire and Police personnel 911 workers.[91][92][93] A New York Times study a week later found that --while his appointment logs were unavailable for the six days immediately following the attacks-- he spent a total of 29 hours over three months at the site. This contrasted with recovery workers at the site who spent this much time at the site in two to three days.[94]
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He also recently made a false claim about prostate cancer survival rates in Britain, which he has not retracted.

At least with McCain you get someone who will tell the truth and has a real sense of honor. I think McCain would make a better general election candidate for the Republicans. Not that I would vote for him anyway, but I have more respect for him.

Giuliani gets a lot of credit that he really doesn't deserve for lower crime rates in NY. Crime fell nationwide in the 90s and NY was carried along in the tsunami. Even if Marion Barry had been mayor of NY during Giuliani's tenure, crime would have gone down.
 
Puppycow said:
From Oliver's wikipedia link:
He also recently made a false claim about prostate cancer survival rates in Britain, which he has not retracted.

At least with McCain you get someone who will tell the truth and has a real sense of honor. I think McCain would make a better general election candidate for the Republicans. Not that I would vote for him anyway, but I have more respect for him.

Giuliani gets a lot of credit that he really doesn't deserve for lower crime rates in NY. Crime fell nationwide in the 90s and NY was carried along in the tsunami. Even if Marion Barry had been mayor of NY during Giuliani's tenure, crime would have gone down.
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If McCain ran, I'd have to vote for him. (Tribal loyalty.)

I don't think he's the man, his window of opportunity opened and closed in 2000.



DR
 
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