Why vegans are simply better people

[varwoche]

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear, I was meaning having a truly self-righteous vegan windbag to argue with rather than prevaricators like myself

No, you were perfectly clear. What's funny is how s/he used your good-natured post to launch yet a new round of pious outrage.

 

[SusanB-M1]

Is that like Protein C Deficiency? I might have inherited that.

I've just had a quick look at the wikipedia entry,but I'm not sure whether the deficiency you mention is the one they refer to. I see too that it was identified in 1994, which is later than I thought. I have been on warfarin ever since, but I think that medication must be according to each individual. One of my nieces has it, but she's only in her 50s and quite possibly might never need to be treated for the condition.

 

[cyborg]

Do you really think the trend arbitrary?

It assumes a certain perspective on the value of one's value in your own cultural context which is not universally shared - i.e. the idea of equality as being fundamental and desirable.

It is not so much as I am saying it is arbitrary more that your own perspective on what the consequences of particular social mores is.

Question: Are we slaves to our nature?

Tautologically.

 

[bookitty]

On the foodie site, Serious Eats, one of the editors who is a chef, dedicated foodie and omnivore has decided to experience a fully vegan lifestyle for 4 weeks while still writing his usual columns and doing his usual entertaining. So far he's up to day 21 and about 20 different articles.

He treats the vegan diet as just another experience with less common cuisine. There's ingredient tips, restaurant reviews, ideas, social response and very little preaching. If you've got the time, it's a fascinating read with some seriously great recipes.

The Vegan Experience.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

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Are you ever going to get tired of trying to troll this thread?

 

[dafydd]

Are you ever going to get tired of trying to troll this thread?

How can you troll a silly thread like this? Excuse me, I have a nut cutlet waiting.

 

[reverebison]

Fullfillment ? Aside from eating, crapping and making babies, what do animals do, exactly, that could be considered fullfilling ?

And what about the constant stress ?



So you have no empathy for those who make their own choices.

An obese individual is costing us money. Higher taxes to pay for our increased health costs and higher insurance premiums. Same as a smoker. Sorry, no empathy for them. BTW, murderers are making a choice, same as rapists. Your argument is weak as I would expect from someone with no discipline or fortitude. Such as an obese person.

 

[reverebison]

Regarding causes of heart attacks and strokes: About 30 years ago, a blood clotting condition known as Leiden Factor 5 was found. It affects about 5% of the population and is only directly inherited. It was found in me by a haematologist, to whom I shall always be most grateful and who was puzzled that an apparently very fit person like myself should have had blood clots in my eyes. We then realised that the major strokes and heart attacks in my father's family were mainly as a result of that condition, so it cannot be said that the main cause of their deaths was their diet. I doubt very much whether becoming vegans would have helped at all!!

point one. Most cardiovascular disease is caused by consuming too much animal products your entire life. We see it beginning at the age of 10 or younger. Its called athlerosclerosis. The condition is non existent in people who eat little or no meat in their culture.

Point two. rare conditions are ridiculous to mention. Although I find your testimonial fascinating.

Point three. Most and I mean most doctors do not know that eating meat is the cause of cardiovascular disease. Therefore their opinion is valueless, as was your doctors. This is something still not taught in medical school. I believe that even in your family, the cause of those heart attacks was probably the most common cause, eating animal products, and yes, a vegan diet would have made a world of difference. yes you have a clotting disorder, but you still have cardiovascular disease too if you have been eating meat your entire life.

 

[Psiload]

An obese individual is costing us money. Higher taxes to pay for our increased health costs and higher insurance premiums. Same as a smoker. Sorry, no empathy for them. BTW, murderers are making a choice, same as rapists. Your argument is weak as I would expect from someone with no discipline or fortitude. Such as an obese person.

For how many of your 53 years of life were you yourself an obese person?

 

[reverebison]

My heart is fine, I had it tested for a minor operation last year. My resting heartbeat is 52 bpm. I live on a balanced diet and don't you forget it. All are vegans as arrogant as you? You appear to know a lot about people that you've never met. All vegans die of heart failure too. Your word is not to be trusted, you are 53 and in your mid 30's at the same time.

So i am in my mid 30's and 53 at the same time. Go ahead and make accusations, but back them up please with some degree of truth. The person who accused me of lying about my age has already apologized. It was he who made the mistake for being more interested in arguing than being fair. An ailment you are obviously afflicted with.

Again, take time and read the thread.

 

[Psiload]

So i am in my mid 30's and 53 at the same time. Go ahead and make accusations, but back them up please with some degree of truth. The person who accused me of lying about my age has already apologized. It was he who made the mistake for being more interested in arguing than being fair. An ailment you are obviously afflicted with.

Again, take time and read the thread.

I made the mistake because you botched the quote function, it had nothing to do with me being argumentative.

We've established the truth. The truth is that you are 53 years old, ate meat for nearly your entire life, were overweight at one point(for how long remains to be seen), and you've only eaten a vegan diet for the last few months.

Is that an accurate statement of the truth?

 

[dafydd]

So i am in my mid 30's and 53 at the same time. Go ahead and make accusations, but back them up please with some degree of truth. The person who accused me of lying about my age has already apologized. It was he who made the mistake for being more interested in arguing than being fair. An ailment you are obviously afflicted with.

Again, take time and read the thread.

If you are trying to turn any lurkers away from veganism then you are doing an excellent job. You appear to think that anyone who who eats meat stuffs themselves with huge gobbets of raw flesh every day. I eat lots of fish,salads and eggs. Meat is not the major factor in my diet. As for your point about obese people costing the state money, so do drinkers and bad drivers. You are equating overweight people with rapists and murderers? You are afflicted with extreme prejudice,hubris and and bad judgement. I note you did not respond to my point about my heart being fine. I could beat you in a long distance foot race any day. When you die you will be one of the healthiest corpses ever seen by medical science.

 

[Belz...]

An obese individual is costing us money.

So are a host of different lifestyles. Are you proposing we ban all lifestyles that cost "us" money ? Who are you to order people what they should eat ? And if this isn't what you are proposing, what ARE you proposing ?

Higher taxes to pay for our increased health costs and higher insurance premiums. Same as a smoker. Sorry, no empathy for them.

Then I feel sorry for you.

BTW, murderers are making a choice, same as rapists.

What do muderers and rapists have to do with this ? They are HARMING others, which is not the case for those other people you mentioned.

Your argument is weak as I would expect from someone with no discipline or fortitude.

Non sequitur. Ad hominem.

Such as an obese person

Oh, those 10 pounds I have over my optimum weight sure are making you right !!

 

[dafydd]

There are only two kinds of people in the world. Vegans and the obese.

 

[Aepervius]

point one. Most cardiovascular disease is caused by consuming too much animal products your entire life. We see it beginning at the age of 10 or younger. Its called athlerosclerosis. The condition is non existent in people who eat little or no meat in their culture.

Wrong. The risk is lower, but not zero.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-02/acs-veh020111.php

Point two. rare conditions are ridiculous to mention. Although I find your testimonial fascinating.

Point three. Most and I mean most doctors do not know that eating meat is the cause of cardiovascular disease.

Because it is not the case. The meat eating is a contributing factor, but there are many other contributing factor, which is why vegan can and DO have athlerosclerosis... See link above.

Therefore their opinion is valueless, as was your doctors. This is something still not taught in medical school. I believe that even in your family, the cause of those heart attacks was probably the most common cause, eating animal products, and yes, a vegan diet would have made a world of difference. yes you have a clotting disorder, but you still have cardiovascular disease too if you have been eating meat your entire life.

You were wrong on athlerosclerosis therefore your opinion is valueless.

 

[Multivac]

An obese individual is costing us money. Higher taxes to pay for our increased health costs and higher insurance premiums. Same as a smoker. Sorry, no empathy for them. BTW, murderers are making a choice, same as rapists. Your argument is weak as I would expect from someone with no discipline or fortitude. Such as an obese person.

Are all vegans this sanctimonious and self-righteous?

 

[Aepervius]

Are all vegans this sanctimonious and self-righteous?

No, the one which aren't, you either don't recognize them from their writing, or they tdon't speak up.

A bit like christian fanatic from westborough, they are loud , obnoxious, their diatrib relatively empty of content, but they are much more often heard than say, the local corner church with average Joe Q Public. But in reality they are a few dozen and the average christian in the US, a few millions.

You can guess in which category I put Reverebison in.

 

[dafydd]

Are all vegans this sanctimonious and self-righteous?

GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING

Veganism can turn you into a self-righteous prig.

 

[Noztradamus]

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Its called athlerosclerosis. The condition is non existant
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Right about dat. The condition is atherosclerosis

"athlerosclerosis" is one of those stupid neogolisms created by mistyping on the iNTERNETS.

 

[Aepervius]

Right about dat. The condition is atherosclerosis

"athlerosclerosis" is one of those stupid neogolisms created by mistyping on the iNTERNETS.

To be fair, I did not even check the spelling either .