Why the Continued Interest in Bigfoot on This Forum

[GT/CS]

I'm not familiar with this Huntster/footprint issue, but how should he (or anyone) tell "real" from hoaxed tracks? Are you holding Huntster to a higher standard than, for example, Dr. Meldrum?

Real from hoaxed tracks???? Real tracks????

Who here holds Medldrum to a higher standard than Hunster????

 

[Bitter Monk]

I'm not familiar with this Huntster/footprint issue, but how should he (or anyone) tell "real" from hoaxed tracks? Are you holding Huntster to a higher standard than, for example, Dr. Meldrum?

I think there's an understandable expectation that someone familiar with tracking known animals should be more likely than the average joe to spot a fabricated track.

Such a person should have a familiarity with what tracks left by living animals look like, and more importantly what they don't look like.

 

[Óðinn]

Yes, but not necessarily a PHOTO of a modified track. Huntster was giving the hoaxing hunter the benefit of the doubt. But he certainly never claimed bigfoot. Just the possibility. He was offering it up for analysis/discussion.

Rockinkt must be assuming that Huntster should have been good at discerning hoaxed tracks from a photo. But there are no experts on bigfoot tracks. I think Rockinkt just wanted to blow his own horn.

 

[manofthesea]

You failed to grasp the obvious grasshopper.

RayG

Are you saying the IBS was just a big sham?

 

[WGBH]

I am lost as to what this is about. Should I even ask?

 

[RayG]

Are you saying the IBS was just a big sham?

Again, you failed to grasp the obvious. You really don't understand why the IBS was not included in the list of bigfoot organizations that contain the word RESEARCH or RESEARCHERS in their organizational name?

My nine-year-old figured it out pretty quickly.

(hint: you might want to read the bolded bit a few times until you have that "Aha!" moment)

RayG

 

[Drewbot]

IBS is the name of a Bigfoot organization? WTF? I thought it was referring to a distressed lower gastro-intestinal disorder.

 

[manofthesea]

Again, you failed to grasp the obvious. You really don't understand why the IBS was not included in the list of bigfoot organizations that contain the word RESEARCH or RESEARCHERS in their organizational name?

My nine-year-old figured it out pretty quickly.

(hint: you might want to read the bolded bit a few times until you have that "Aha!" moment)

RayG

LMMF'nAO. I'll take that as a yes.

 

[The Shrike]

Who here holds Medldrum to a higher standard than Hunster????

My point - why call out Huntster for falling for a hoaxed print when we know that a guy who is supposed to be a foremost expert in the anatomy of primate feet has made the same error?

 

[rockinkt]

Yes, but not necessarily a PHOTO of a modified track. Huntster was giving the hoaxing hunter the benefit of the doubt. But he certainly never claimed bigfoot. Just the possibility. He was offering it up for analysis/discussion.

Rockinkt must be assuming that Huntster should have been good at discerning hoaxed tracks from a photo. But there are no experts on bigfoot tracks. I think Rockinkt just wanted to blow his own horn.

Nope - I leave the "horn blowing" to you.

Somebody else already destroyed your argument about Huntster's reasons for posting the photo. Why do you continue to use your same discredited argument?

I understand that looking at pictures is your claimed bureaucratic area of expertise and you obviously think that looking at photos is some sort of incredibly difficult job. However, those photos are easily seen for what they are and require no special training.

In closing - I would ask that you please read all the posts before you attempt to bait me again. I do prefer intelligent debate.

 

[rockinkt]

My point - why call out Huntster for falling for a hoaxed print when we know that a guy who is supposed to be a foremost expert in the anatomy of primate feet has made the same error?

I do not know if the word "error" is correct.

Meldrum has purposely ignored evidence to the contrary when claiming "facts".
"Dermal Ridges" comes immediately to mind.

As for Huntster - I'm not sure what his motivation was.
All I know is that anyone with as much hunting and outdoor experience as he claims (and seems to obviously have) should have instantly seen the fact that those tracks had been altered.
There is absolutely no doubt that those tracks were purposely hoaxed!

 

[RayG]

LMMF'nAO. I'll take that as a yes.

Do you truly not get it?

RayG

 

[LTC8K6]

My point - why call out Huntster for falling for a hoaxed print when we know that a guy who is supposed to be a foremost expert in the anatomy of primate feet has made the same error?

Are you claiming that we haven't called out Meldrum...?

Otherwise, I can't see exactly where you are going.

It's okay for Huntster to make the error because a "pro" made a similar error?

Heck, I think Meldrum's errors are far worse...but that's no reason to let any errors go.

 

[LTC8K6]

MOTS, is that an attempt to get around the posting rules?

10. You will not swear in your posts. This includes using swear words in a disguised form, for example, by replacing certain letters in the word with another letter, character, or image.

 

[atpeace]

Speaking for myself:
Reading and posting on JREF is a way of sort of vindicating myself. A way to wash off the pooh. After being a part of Bf proponent sites wide-eyed and bushy-tailed and eager to hear all about this elusive animal but then slowly realizing you are being scammed, lied to, silenced...feeling like you’ve been entrenched in some sort of cult experience that tried to rob you of your independence and thinking skills and rationality and much more.
Some of us may get over the need to talk it out rather quickly and move on. Others of us still angry and creeped out by our experience on the other side, need to still assure ourselves. Getting suckered is like being robbed or violated in some way. And here we find what we need: the truth, real science, rational thinking, etc. Not to sound too weird, but it is comforting and heals the wounds. Again, not to be too weird, but my experience really shook my faith in man.
ap

 

[Vortigern99]

Fascinating.

Atpeace, can you tell us in what way you believe you were "scammed, lied to, silenced...feeling like you’ve been entrenched in some sort of cult experience that tried to rob you of your independence and thinking skills and rationality and much more"?

You don't have to name names, but a fuller description of your experiences might help to protect others from such scams in the future.

 

[kitakaze]

Speaking for myself:
Reading and posting on JREF is a way of sort of vindicating myself. A way to wash off the pooh.

Peace, I am your Tide™.

 

[atpeace]

Kitakaze, that you are.

ap

 

[manofthesea]

MOTS, is that an attempt to get around the posting rules?

I think that you have a kiwi chocolate finger, manager.

 

[Óðinn]

Nope - I leave the "horn blowing" to you.

Nope, this is about you wanting to show how you debunked the alleged BF footprints that Huntster posted, under the guise that Huntster was too woo to see they were obviously hoaxed. Your minor point being how an experienced outdoorsman should have identified the photos as hoaxed before you did. But I thought you were an experienced outdoorsman yourself. False modesty?

Somebody else already destroyed your argument about Huntster's reasons for posting the photo. Why do you continue to use your same discredited argument?

According to whom, you? This is such a minor subjective point that proves nothing anyway, which is MY point. A simple case of woo-bashing.

I understand that looking at pictures is your claimed bureaucratic area of expertise and you obviously think that looking at photos is some sort of incredibly difficult job.

Horse puckey. Obvious to whom, you? I have no expertise in interpreting photos and never claimed I did. Especially not photos of alleged bigfoot tracks. My area of expertise is in image metrology. Look up the difference.

However, those photos are easily seen for what they are and require no special training.

Correct. Since no one is trained in identifying hoaxed tracks from photos, why should Huntster be any better than you? Your point is weak at best, but you did manage to denigrate Huntster, I'll give you that. Easy pickins since he's banned from JREF.

In closing - I would ask that you please read all the posts before you attempt to bait me again. I do prefer intelligent debate.

That's debatable.