No True Scotsman + War
Have you read the manifesto? Have you read the unibomber's manifesto? The guy in Norway copied it almost word for word.
Terrorists who are Christian are not necesary christian terrorists who do what they do because of christianity.
On the other hand, if not for Islam, Osama bin Laden would have been just some tall, pious man who inherited a fortune, wanted to help people, and got a degree in Civil Engineering. He would have been just another member of the Bin Laden Group. If I am wrong, AntPogo, tell me where my logic is flawed. I would love to learn.
If you think Osama bin Laden would have done what he did even if he was not a follower of Islam, please tell me how would that work and please tell me what he real motivations were. I would love to read that. Please be logical and back up what you say with real facts.
Other than the absolute
No True Scotsman Fallacy in the first part....here is the answer to your request of the second part.
Yes....easy...I can tell you a FEW:
Nationalism....Tribalism..... Patriotism.... Communism..... Capitalism.... Drugs.... Poverty.... GREED..... POWER
The above have been the CAUSE and IMPETUOUS behind the following wars:
French-English war, Spanish-English war, American-Spanish war, French Revolution, American Revolution, Mexican Revolution, American-Mexican War, Brazilian Revolution, American Civil War, English Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Belfast, Nicaragua, Cuba, El Salvador, Bosnia, Rwanda, Liberia, Uganda, Nigeria, Cambodia
I am sure I missed many more. All you have to do is review the history of the World since 1700 until now... the time line given in the video.
Woodrow Wilson, September 11, 1919, St. Louis.
"Is there any man, is there any woman, let me say any child here that does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry?"
Major General Smedley Butler (a Republican Party primary candidate for the United States Senate) 1935.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." - simultaneously highest ranking and most decorated United States Marine (including two Medals of Honor)
Dwight Eisenhower, Farewell Address, Jan. 17, 1961.
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
Now....ask yourself a question.....how many of the above listed causes are ALSO a factor in the Middle East troubles today? If we eliminate Islam....would the other factors be sufficient to maintain the troubles?
Could it be in fact that Islam is a NEW factor in the trouble that has been introduced recently as a rallying point. Were there sufficient factors previously that were the REAL cause of most of the trouble?
Read this Wiki article about
War throughout history.
But I find the section about
MOTIVES behind war EXTREMELY interesting.
Motivations
Motivations for war may be different for those ordering the war than for those undertaking the war. For a state to prosecute a war it must have the support of its leadership, its military forces, and its people. For example, in the Third Punic War, Rome's leaders may have wished to make war with Carthage for the purpose of eliminating a resurgent rival, while the individual soldiers may have been motivated by a wish to make money. Since many people are involved, a war may acquire a life of its own from the confluence of many different motivations.
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As the strategic and tactical aspects of warfare are always changing, theories and doctrines relating to warfare are often reformulated before, during, and after every major war. Carl Von Clausewitz said, 'Every age had its own kind of war, its own limiting conditions, and its own peculiar preconceptions.'.[30] The one constant factor is war’s employment of organized violence and the resultant destruction of property and/ or lives that necessarily follows.
Psychoanalytic psychology
Dutch psychoanalyst Joost Meerloo held that, "War is often ... a mass discharge of accumulated internal rage (where)... the inner fears of mankind are discharged in mass destruction." Thus war can sometimes be a means by which man's own frustration at his inability to master his own self is expressed and temporarily relieved via his unleashing of destructive behavior upon others. In this destructive scenario, these others are made to serve as the scapegoat of man's own unspoken and subconscious frustrations and fears.
